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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3439554

    Article link, but wasn't it "Knick" Bavetta who made the infamous continuation call on Larry Johnson's and+1 which eventually sank the Pacers one year???

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    No, I'm pretty sure Jess Kersey was responsible for the LJ 4-pt play.

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    GD Kersey
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    Kersey once lit Micahel Jordan up for a technical foul late in the 4th quarter of an NBA finals game, in Chicago nontheless.

    It led to the Bulls blowing a big lead late in the game, and they lost in overtime.

    I'll always respect Kersey for that. I've never once questioned his impartiality.

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    I'll always respect Kersey for that. I've never once questioned his impartiality.
    I imagine Pacers fans are perhaps more interested in his competency.

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    This must be wrong... I thought we were told the FBI had concluded its investigation and all was hunky dory.

    Whether there is a conspiracy, grudges, manipulations, massaging or whatever else... if all of this leads to better (more CONSISTENT) officiating then I'm all for it. The game will be better for it... even if it means some 'stars' will shine a little less brightly.

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    This must be wrong... I thought we were told the FBI had concluded its investigation and all was hunky dory.
    ...so let me get this straight: if th FBI doesn't investigate Donaghy's accusation, something is wrong.

    ...and if they DO investigate them ,that also means something is wrong?


    Whether there is a conspiracy, grudges, manipulations, massaging or whatever else... if all of this leads to better (more CONSISTENT) officiating then I'm all for it. The game will be better for it... even if it means some 'stars' will shine a little less brightly.
    I explained the concept of superstar calls in the other thread. You never bothered to address it.

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    I explained the concept of superstar calls in the other thread. You never bothered to address it.
    If you want to play that game, there's more than one (good) comment you never bothered to address in the other thread on this.

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    If you want to play that game, there's more than one (good) comment you never bothered to address in the other thread on this.
    If there's one that answered a question I left out there, feel free to point it out to me.

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    yes because Donaghy made some allegations against Dick

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    I explained the concept of superstar calls in the other thread. You never bothered to address it.
    Superstar calls are a big part of the problem, but it isn't the only issue. I really can't believe anyone in anyway would suggest that NBA officiating is consistant. There are plenty of examples that suggest otherwise, but my favorite is always the '98 bulls / pacers ECF. Pippen simply molested Mark Jackson for the first two games then gets called for two quick fouls in game 3 for doing what he had been doing for the first two games. I fail to see the consistancy in that. Of course Pippen was on the road some maybe he wasn't playing with as much energy and didn't move his feet quite well enough.....or maybe it was because the pacers were at home and bird called out the officiating prior to the game.

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    Knick Bavetta was officiating that game..

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    Here is a great collection of NBA playoff games officiated by Bavetta...

    http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1457311

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    Here is a great collection of NBA playoff games officiated by Bavetta...

    http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1457311
    Thanks, I was looking for that.

    What's the pattern in all of those games? The bigger market received the favorable calls in EVERY INSTANCE.

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    Bavetta also called game 7 of the '98 ECF, game 4 of the 2000 Finals, and my personal favorite, March 12th, 2000, Heat at Pacers, where our 25-game home winning streak ended. That's the game that I turned to Grace as I saw Bavetta walk on the court and said, "We just lost this game."
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    Of course Stern could always counter that the NBA just has low standards for their refs. How else can it be explained that Violet Palmer still has a job?

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    Of course Stern could always counter that the NBA just has low standards for their refs. How else can it be explained that Violet Palmer still has a job?

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    This must be wrong... I thought we were told the FBI had concluded its investigation and all was hunky dory.
    Based on my reading of the story, this is people naming names about who they were questioned on during that investigation, not a new one.
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    Thanks, I was looking for that.

    What's the pattern in all of those games? The bigger market received the favorable calls in EVERY INSTANCE.
    Wait a minute, first you would have to watch each game and carefully chart every call and every non-call, then you have to see what Dick calld and didn't call. There is no way you can see a list of games and say yes Bevetta gave the bigger market favorable calls. All those games are at least 5 years old.

    I really should just stay away from this debate, because I just truly don't understand THE "OTHER SIDE" OF the argument. It makes zero sense to me and I must admit I think anyone who believes that the NBA in one form or another is trying to unduly influence the outcome of games - I believe they are 100%. I'm trying to control what I say here

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    Wait a minute, first you would have to watch each game and carefully chart every call and every non-call, then you have to see what Dick calld and didn't call. There is no way you can see a list of games and say yes Bevetta gave the bigger market favorable calls. All those games are at least 5 years old.

    I really should just stay away from this debate, because I just truly don't understand THE "OTHER SIDE" OF the argument. It makes zero sense to me and I must admit I think anyone who believes that the NBA in one form or another is trying to unduly influence the outcome of games - I believe they are 100%. I'm trying to control what I say here
    I remember thinking the same thing at the times the games were originally played. There's further documentation within that link.

    Conversely, I honestly don't see how people can see some of the things that make you go and still believe that there's nothing strange going on behind the scenes. Some of it seems pretty obvious to me.

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    No, I'm pretty sure Jess Kersey was responsible for the LJ 4-pt play.

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    It was Dick "The Knick" Bavetta that made that call. I can still see him signaling that the bucket counted clearly in my mind.
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    In the article Bill Simmons wrote about Game 4 he linked to an article he wrote in 2002 right after the Kings lost to the Lakers. In that article he names a set of games starting with the 4-Point play game that he believes were questionably officiated. Every single one of the games he mentions were officiated by Bavetta. On top of mention the 4-point play game, he also mentions game 6 of that same series.

    EDIT: Simmons in his 2002 article said Kersey was the one who made that call.

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    Kersey made the call. Bucher wrote an article in ESPN Mag a little over a year later where Kersey said he felt horrible about it and that he'll have to live with it the rest of his life. Which, of course, makes it all better.
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    Oh God, don't even get me started on Violet Palmer. Talk about being the token female referee. She's hands-down the worst ref in the league, and that's saying something.
    No she's not. That guy they brought up from the WNBA is worse.

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    ATTENTION UNCLE BUCK:

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    That's the game that I turned to Grace as I saw Bavetta walk on the court and said, "We just lost this game."
    Either Kegboy is right about the referees or he can predict the future. Which one is it?

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