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    Since G. Arenas opted out of his contract yesterday, I assume the Wiz can only re-sign him as they would any other free agent. What is their Cap status and would they only be able to sign him to the MLE or another exclusion?
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    Since G. Arenas opted out of his contract yesterday, I assume the Wiz can only re-sign him as they would any other free agent. What is their Cap status and would they only be able to sign him to the MLE or another exclusion?
    Washington has full Bird right so they can re-sign him for up to the max contract, cap status isn't applicable.

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    Expected to sign a max contract in the nest week
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    And get his buddy Jamison a very nice raise as well....

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    And get his buddy Jamison a very nice raise as well....
    yep, he said if Jamison isn't resigned, then he's leaving as well
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    Any chance the Wizards say thanks but no thanks and pass on him. He's extremely talented, and his teammates seem to like him, but a case could be made that the Wiz are better without him (assuming they could get, trade or sign a suitable replacement)

    No doubt Gil does give the Wiz a player that is at times unstoppable
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    Any chance the Wizards say thanks but no thanks and pass on him. He's extremely talented, and his teammates seem to like him, but a case could be made that the Wiz are better without him (assuming they could get, trade or sign a suitable replacement)

    No doubt Gil does give the Wiz a player that is at times unstoppable
    its always possible.

    But ever since Gil asked for a max contract (said he was opting out) Grunfield and Polian have been saying that they will 100% give it to him. And then there is the Jamison situation (Gil says if Jamison isn't resigned then they were both leaving) and Polian and Grunfeld have been saying that they will take care of both of them.
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    They're both good players and 'relatively speaking', I suppose an
    arguement could be made that they're worth that kind of $$. But
    that team isn't gonna win anything signifigant with that mix of
    players. That's at best, when healthy, a 50-52 win team and EC,
    #3 or #4 seed that flames out in round two.

    If I were them, I'd try hard to move Arenas.

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    God, it may be nice to have "problems" like not being 100% sure Gilbert Arenas is the best fit for your team.

    Also...Antwan is one of the more underrated players in the League. People sing the praises of Boozer and Dave West all day, but forget all about Jamison Smooth. (And yes, I know he was just an All Star too.)

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    They're both good players and 'relatively speaking', I suppose an
    arguement could be made that they're worth that kind of $$. But
    that team isn't gonna win anything signifigant with that mix of
    players. That's at best, when healthy, a 50-52 win team and EC,
    #3 or #4 seed that flames out in round two.

    If I were them, I'd try hard to move Arenas.
    To me, moving Gil isn't even an option. Yes, it's possible that he could turn into the Wizs version of JO in four years (i.e., overpaid and underproductive) but you just can't do that to your fanbase.

    Hibachi is a legend in DC already and you just have to sign the max check and cross your fingers. And even if you don't win anything with him, you still have an Ernie Banks/Reggie Millier/Barry Sanders type of larger-than-life legend that will forever give your fan base a beloved icon to hang their hat on (not saying he's that good...just similarly beloved).

    And sure, if they don't win, Grunfield et al will take some flak, much like Donnie/Larry are taking flak for "overpaying" JO. But just like their decision on JO was an absolute no-brainer "sign the check or lose him and alienate all your fans" situation, that's exactly what the Wiz are up against now.

    You have to resign him.
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    To me, moving Gil isn't even an option. Yes, it's possible that he could turn into the Wizs version of JO in four years (i.e., overpaid and underproductive) but you just can't do that to your fanbase.

    Hibachi is a legend in DC already and you just have to sign the max check and cross your fingers. And even if you don't win anything with him, you still have an Ernie Banks/Reggie Millier/Barry Sanders type of larger-than-life legend that will forever give your fan base a beloved icon to hang their hat on (not saying he's that good...just similarly beloved).

    And sure, if they don't win, Grunfield et al will take some flak, much like Donnie/Larry are taking flak for "overpaying" JO. But just like their decision on JO was an absolute no-brainer "sign the check or lose him and alienate all your fans" situation, that's exactly what the Wiz are up against now.

    You have to resign him.

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    To me, moving Gil isn't even an option. Yes, it's possible that he could turn into the Wizs version of JO in four years (i.e., overpaid and underproductive) but you just can't do that to your fanbase.

    Hibachi is a legend in DC already and you just have to sign the max check and cross your fingers. And even if you don't win anything with him, you still have an Ernie Banks/Reggie Millier/Barry Sanders type of larger-than-life legend that will forever give your fan base a beloved icon to hang their hat on (not saying he's that good...just similarly beloved).

    And sure, if they don't win, Grunfield et al will take some flak, much like Donnie/Larry are taking flak for "overpaying" JO. But just like their decision on JO was an absolute no-brainer "sign the check or lose him and alienate all your fans" situation, that's exactly what the Wiz are up against now.

    You have to resign him.
    Well put.

    Like you say, it's similar to the situation with Jermaine and the Pacers a few years ago. What are their other alternatives? Get rid of your marquee player and main draw and replace him with less talented players and hope that gets you over the hump?

    Only time I can remember a team getting better like that was the Pistons being forced to lose Grant Hill and getting Ben Wallace back as compensation. That kind of stuff doesn't happen too often.

    Similar situation to the Nuggets and Carmelo.

    Yeah, Carmelo's got his flaws and he's not Lebron, but what exactly are the Nugz supposed to do? Dump 24 year old Carmelo at a discount rate for less talented players, then keep tanking every year so they eventually get lucky in the lotto and end up with the next Lebron instead of the next Carmelo?

    You just can't run a franchise like that.

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    Man, I'd kill to be a 50-52 win team that makes it to the second round at this point. Kind of hard to take people seriously when they are knocking that when we are a 40 win MAX wow hope the EC sucks enough so we can back into the playoffs kind of team ourselves.

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    Dece-

    I wasn't knocking the desirability of being a 50-52 win team. Obviously,
    Pacer fans can only dream about that level of accomplishment at this
    point. I was just questioning signing a guy to a 'max' deal who isn't
    likely to take your team past that point.

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