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    Didn't see that anyone noted this article. A sportswriter from the Chicago Sun Times speculated on a JO for Bulls package deal:

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    June 8, 2008

    BY JOHN JACKSON Sun-Times Columnist

    On the market

    If the Bulls decide to select Memphis point guard Derrick Rose with the top pick in the draft this month, they might seek to fill their need for a low-post scorer by acquiring Indiana Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal.

    The Pacers would prefer not to deal O'Neal within the Central Division, but they might not have much choice. O'Neal has two years and $44 million left on his contract and a recent history of injuries, so few teams would be in position -- or willing -- to make a play for the 12-year veteran.

    The Bulls, though, are one of those teams. They have the players -- and, more important, the big-money contracts -- to get a deal done. A proposal built around forward Tyrus Thomas ($3.75 million), one of the Bulls' excess guards -- Larry Hughes ($12.8 million), Kirk Hinrich ($10 million) or Ben Gordon (restricted free agent) -- and a future draft pick meets the salary-cap requirements and might be the best offer the Pacers get.

    Although O'Neal is a former All-Star, his value won't be very high because of his contract and because he averaged just 13.6 points and 6.7 rebounds last season. The team that trades for O'Neal will be gambling that he can regain his health, which is far from a certainty.

    Here's the link:

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/jacks...-jax08.article

    And yes, I would do a Bulls-JO deal. The writer speculates on a JO for Hinrich/Thomas and pick deal. I could envision a deal similar to this (works under CBA):

    JO & Diogu & 2nd rd pick for Hinrich, Hughes and Thomas

    JO's salary next year: 21.35 million, Diogu is set to earn 2.9 million. Total: 24.25 million

    Hinrich will earn 10 million, Hughes 12.825 and Thomas will earn 3.75 million. Total: 26.575 million

    Why for Indy? Indy finally rids itself of JO and gets back a solid point, a young player in Thomas and a decent starter or 6th man in Hughes. Pacers could use their #11 pick for a big like Jordan or Speights?

    Why for Chicago? Bulls dump some longer contracts in Hinrich and Hughes and add a big man and clears room for Rose.

    New Pacer lineup:

    Hinrich, Diener, fa
    Hughes, Daniels, fa
    Granger, Williams, Graham
    Dunleavy, Thomas, Richard Hendrix 2nd rd pick
    Murphy, Foster, #11 pick

    Any thoughts?

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    I think I'd rather keep JO if thats the best we can get.

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    I really don't want Thomas.

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    I would be ok with it as long as there is another deal after that one that rids us of Tinsley.

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    Dunleavy's a Power Forward now? news to me.

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    Dunleavy's a Power Forward now? news to me.
    He's been working on strength and conditioning two summers in a row now. I bet by fall we're calling him the white Dale Davis.

    As for the article, I would remind anyone to look at the ridiculous trash in the Star this morning before taking this with a molecule of salt.
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    it's too bad we couldn't do this jo to chicago deal prior to the trade deadline this year. man was i wanting that chicago 2008 1st, and as it turns out, for good reason.

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    Thomas, a signed Gordon and a future 1st for JO? Hell yeah

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    As for the article, I would remind anyone to look at the ridiculous trash in the Star this morning before taking this with a molecule of salt.
    Just what I was about to say... this is only speculation... there are no sources or anything of credibility...

    Also if you check his deal of Thomas and one of the guards isn't enough in salary to make the deal work (unless you're going to really overpay Gordon in the S&T)... if he is going to speculate you'd think he could at least provide a deal that would work...
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    I'd do that deal in a second. Strengthens a position of need, gives us a draft pick, and some young (though immature) talent at the SF/PF position.

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    This idea makes more sense than the ones from the Star.

    I think Jermaine to Chicago Kirk Hinrich plus ? could work for both clubs. Although i'm not big on Tyrus Thomas.

    Maybe something like Hinrich, Drew Gooden, and Aaron Gray for Jermaine.

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    not saying i'm the biggest thomas fan, but the kid really put together some very solid games late this year and is still just 21 years old.

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    Thomas, a signed Gordon and a future 1st for JO? Hell yeah
    To make that deal work you'd have to sign Gordon to a deal around the size of Michael Redd's contract (around 14.5 mil.)....
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    I would consider JO for Thomas/Gordon/future pick or Thomas/Hinrich/future pick.

    Just, please God, NO LARRY HUGHES.

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    Dunleavy is not a 4 and he's not a 2 either, but plays there because of Granger. This would be if the Pacers acquired Hughes as I coul see him starting at the 2 and the Pacers going with a small lineup of Hinrich, Hughes, Granger, Dunleavy and Foster/Murphy that could run.

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    I don't want Larry Hughes. He's a rich man's Marquis Daniels, and his contract is awful.

    How about JO for Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, Chris Duhon (S&T)?

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    I would love to have Ben Gordon. This would also make Dunleavy expendable and give us different options with the 11th pick.

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    If the Bulls offer is going to include Thomas & Hinrich the only other player they could add to put the deal in the JO salary ball park would be Gooden.

    Thomas 3.7
    Hinrich 10.0
    Gooden 7.1

    For a total of 20.8

    JO is listed at 21.3 next season

    Thomas is the final year of his deal with a team option for the following season.

    Hinrich has four years left but his salary drops each season.

    Gooden is in the final year of his deal.

    If we let Gooden & Thomas walk after next season we would save 10.6 off what we would have had to pay O'Neal in 09-10.

    Pick up the Thomas option and that drops to 5.9 in savings.

    Even without the draft pick its a sweet deal.

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    JO for Hinrich, Gooden, and Thomas is a great deal. If the they are proposing that in the CHICAGO media, than somebody get on the phone with larry quick.

    In all reality, a chicago deal will probably involve us taking on hughes. In which case you can do either

    JO for Hinrich/Hughes

    or

    JO/Diogu for Hinrich/Hughes/Thomas

    Hughes has an aweful contract but it is not any longer than JO's, so it doesen't make our contract situation any worse for the present, just the same, but we get Hinrich. Hughes could make a good expiring deal after next season to possibly try to move.
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    i would love JO and Diogu for Hinrich/Hughes/Thomas....but they would never do it. They know just like everybody in the league knows JO is soft and injury prone. Then man can barely make it through half a season anymore. who would want him?

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    Not too sure there about making Dunleavy a PF all too well. I'm okay with letting JO go to the Bulls, but I really only think we would benefit with receiving Hinrich and Ben Gordon.

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    Hopefully the Bulls take Derrick Rose with the 1st pick so that Kirk Hinrich becomes available.
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    I like J.O./IKE to Chicago for Thomas/ Hinrich / future 1st plus Gooden (1year left with Daniels & Foster that would be over 20 mil off next year)

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    I really don't want Thomas.
    Tyrus Thomas? Why not?

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