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  • Hoopsworld's protected/unprotected list

    "A team-by-team list of the players that were protected as well as unprotected for Charlotte's expansion draft, as well as free agents. All info is as most currently reported or rumored."

    Take that as you will. "This is what we think" is what I think they mean. I see no reason why Croshere would be protected given the size of his contract.

    Anyway, this is what passes for their "premium content" I guess.
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    ATLANTA HAWKS
    Protected
    Jason Terry
    Boris Diaw
    Travis Hansen
    Chris Crawford
    Stephen Jackson

    Unprotected
    Alan Henderson

    Free Agents
    Jason Collier
    Michael Bradley
    Obinna Ekezie
    Mamadou N'diaye
    Wesley Person
    Joel Przybilla
    Zeljko Rebraca
    Bob Sura
    Jacque Vaughn

    BOSTON CELTICS
    Protected
    Paul Pierce
    Ricky Davis
    Raef LaFrentz
    Kendrick Perkins
    Marcus Banks
    Jiri Welsch
    Walter McCarty
    Chris Mihm

    Unprotected
    Michael Stewart
    Brandon Hunter
    Chucky Atkins
    Jumaine Jones

    Free Agents
    Mark Blount
    Dana Barros

    CHICAGO BULLS
    Protected
    Eddy Curry
    Jamal Crawford
    Kirk Hinrich
    Tyson Chandler
    Linton Johnson
    Jannero Pargo
    Chris Jefferies
    Paul Shirley

    Unprotected
    Antonio Davis
    Jerome Williams
    Eddie Robinson
    Marcus Fizer
    Scottie Pippen

    Free Agents
    Ronald Dupree
    Kendall Gill

    CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
    Protected
    LeBron James
    Carlos Boozer
    Dajuan Wagner
    Jeff McInnis
    Zydrunas Ilgauskas
    DeSagna Diop
    Tony Battie

    Unprotected
    Kevin Ollie
    Ira Newble
    Kedrick Brown
    Jason Kapono

    Free Agents
    Eric Williams
    Lee Nailon
    Ruben Boumtje Boumtje

    DALLAS MAVERICKS
    Protected
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Josh Howard
    Michael Finley
    Antawn Jamison
    Antoine Walker
    Marquis Daniels
    Jon Stefansson
    Eduardo Najera

    Unprotected
    Tariq Abdul-Wahad
    Tony Delk
    Shawn Bradley
    Danny Fortson

    Free Agents
    Steve Nash
    Travis Best
    Scott Williams

    DENVER NUGGETS
    Protected
    Carmelo Anthony
    Andre Miller
    Earl Boykins
    Francisco Elson
    Nikoloz Tskitishvili
    Nene
    Voshon Lenard
    Chris Andersen

    Unprotected
    Jeff Trepagnier

    Free Agents
    Jon Barry
    Marcus Camby
    Michael Doleac
    Mark Pope

    DETROIT PISTONS (FINALS)

    GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    Protected
    Speedy Claxton
    Jason Richardson
    Mickael Pietrus
    Mike Dunleavy
    Troy Murphy
    Clifford Robinson
    Erick Dampier
    Evan Eschmeyer

    Unprotected
    Nick Van Exel
    Popeye Jones

    Free Agents
    J.R. Bremer
    Brian Cardinal
    Calbert Cheaney
    Adonal Foyle
    Avery Johnson

    HOUSTON ROCKETS
    Protected
    Steve Francis
    Yao Ming
    Jim Jackson
    Cuttino Mobley
    Maurice Taylor
    Eric Piatkowski
    Adrian Griffin
    Bostjan Nachbar

    Unprotected
    Clarence Weatherspoon

    Free Agents
    Mark Jackson
    Scott Padgett
    Mike Wilks

    INDIANA PACERS
    Protected
    Jermaine O'Neal
    Ron Artest
    Jonathan Bender
    Jeff Foster
    Al Harrington
    Fred Jones
    Jamaal Tinsley
    Austin Croshere

    Unprotected
    Reggie Miller
    Primoz Brezec
    Anthony Johnson
    James Jones
    Scot Pollard

    Free Agents
    Kenny Anderson
    Jamison Brewer

    LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    Protected
    Elton Brand
    Corey Maggette
    Chris Kaman
    Predrag Drobnjak
    Chris Wilcox
    Melvin Ely
    Eddie House
    Quentin Richardson

    Unprotected
    Marco Jaric

    Free Agents
    Matt Barnes
    Keyon Dooling
    Josh Moore
    Doug Overton
    Bobby Simmons

    LOS ANGELES LAKERS (FINALS)

    MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
    Protected
    Pau Gasol
    James Posey
    Shane Battier
    Jason Williams
    Mike Miller
    Stromile Swift
    Lorenzen Wright
    Theron Smith

    Unprotected
    Bonzi Wells
    Earl Watson
    Troy Bell
    Dahntay Jones
    Bo Outlaw
    Jake Tsakalidis
    Ryan Humphrey

    MIAMI HEAT
    Protected
    Lamar Odom
    Dwyane Wade
    Caron Butler
    Udonis Haslem
    Malik Allen
    Brian Grant
    Eddie Jones
    Wang Zhizhi

    Unprotected
    Jerome Beasley

    Free Agents
    Rafer Alston
    Rasual Butler
    Bimbo Coles
    John Wallace
    Samaki Walker
    Loren Woods

    MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    Protected
    Michael Redd
    T.J. Ford
    Desmond Mason
    Marcus Haislip
    Daniel Santiago
    Dan Gadzuric
    Keith Van Horn
    Joe Smith

    Unprotected
    Erick Strickland

    Free Agents
    Damon Jones
    Brevin Knight
    Toni Kukoc

    MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    Protected
    Kevin Garnett
    Latrell Sprewell
    Ervin Johnson
    Mark Madsen
    Sam Cassell
    Michael Olowokandi
    Wally Sczcerbiak

    Unprotected
    Ndudi Ebi

    Free Agents
    Trenton Hassell
    Fred Hoiberg
    Troy Hudson
    Darrick Martin
    Oliver Miller
    Gary Trent

    NEW JERSEY NETS
    Protected
    Jason Kidd
    Zoran Planinic
    Aaron Williams
    Brian Scalabrine
    Richard Jefferson
    Lucious Harris
    Jason Collins
    Brandon Armstrong

    Unprotected
    Kerry Kittles
    Alonzo Mourning
    Rodney Rogers
    Tamar Slay

    NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
    Protected
    Baron Davis
    David West
    Jamaal Magloire
    P.J. Brown
    David Wesley
    George Lynch
    Darrell Armstrong
    Courtney Alexander

    Unprotected
    Jamal Mashburn

    Free Agents
    Stacey Augmon
    Shammond Williams
    Robert Traylor
    Steve Smith
    Maurice Carter

    NEW YORK KNICKS
    Protected
    Stephon Marbury
    Tim Thomas
    Kurt Thomas
    Nazr Mohammed
    Frank Williams
    Mike Sweetney
    Al Harrington
    Cezary Trybanski

    Unprotected
    Allan Houston
    Penny Hardaway
    Shandon Anderson
    Moochie Norris
    Dikembe Mutombo

    Free Agents
    Vin Baker

    ORLANDO MAGIC
    Protected
    Tracy McGrady
    Grant Hill
    Juwan Howard
    Drew Gooden
    Pat Garrity
    Andrew DeClercq
    Keith Bogans
    Steven Hunter

    Unprotected
    DeShawn Stevenson
    Reece Gaines
    Zaza Pachulia
    Britton Johnson

    Free Agents
    Derrick Dial

    PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    Protected
    Allen Iverson
    Eric Snow
    John Salmons
    Kenny Thomas
    Samuel Dalembert
    Marc Jackson
    Kyle Korver
    Willie Green

    Unprotected
    Derrick Coleman
    Greg Buckner
    Aaron McKie
    Glenn Robinson
    Todd MacCulloch

    PHOENIX SUNS
    Protected
    Shawn Marion
    Amare Stoudemire
    Joe Johnson
    Maciej Lampe
    Zarko Cabarkapa
    Leandrinho Barbosa
    Casey Jacobsen
    Jake Voskuhl

    Unprotected
    Howard Eisley
    Jahidi White

    Free Agents
    Keon Clark
    Donnell Harvey
    Antonio McDyess

    PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    Protected
    Zach Randolph
    Dale Davis
    Damon Stoudemire
    Derek Anderson
    Darius Miles
    Theo Ratliff
    Ruben Patterson
    Travis Outlaw

    Unprotected
    Shareef Abdur-Rahim
    Omar Cook
    Dan Dickau
    Eddie Gill
    Qyntel Woods
    Vladimir Stepania

    Free Agents
    Desmond Ferguson

    SACRAMENTO KINGS
    Protected
    Peja Stojakovic
    Brad Miller
    Chris Webber
    Darius Songaila
    Mike Bibby
    Doug Christie
    Bobby Jackson
    Gerald Wallace

    Unprotected
    Anthony Peeler

    Free Agents
    Rodney Buford
    Vlade Divac
    Tony Massenburg
    Jabari Smith

    SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    Protected
    Radoslav Nesterovic
    Tim Duncan
    Tony Parker
    Devin Brown
    Robert Horry
    Malik Rose
    Bruce Bowen

    Unprotected
    Charlie Ward

    Free Agents
    Emanuel Ginobili
    Matt Carroll
    Alex Garcia
    Jason Hart
    Sean Marks
    Hidayet Tukoglu
    Kevin Willis

    SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
    Protected
    Ray Allen
    Rashard Lewis
    Vladimir Radmanovic
    Luke Ridnour
    Nick Collison
    Ronald Murray
    Antonio Daniels
    Reggie Evans

    Unprotected
    Richie Frahm
    Jerome James
    Calvin Booth
    Vitaly Potapenko

    Free Agents
    Brent Barry
    Ansu Sesay
    Leon Smith

    TORONTO RAPTORS
    Protected
    Vince Carter
    Chris Bosh
    Jalen Rose
    Alvin Williams
    Jerome Moiso
    Donyell Marshall
    Roger Mason, Jr.
    Milt Palacio

    Unprotected
    Lamond Murray

    UTAH JAZZ
    Protected
    Matt Harpring
    Andrei Kirilenko
    Sasha Pavlovic
    Raul Lopez
    Mo Williams
    Raja Bell

    Unprotected
    Curtis Borchardt

    Free Agents
    Carlos Arroyo
    Jarron Collins
    Gordan Giricek
    Tom Gugliotta
    Mikki Moore
    Greg Ostertag
    Michael Ruffin

    WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    Protected
    Gilbert Arenas
    Kwame Brown
    Jarvis Hayes
    Jared Jefferies
    Larry Hughes
    Brendan Haywood
    Etan Thomas
    Steve Blake

    Unprotected
    Juan Dixon
    Jerry Stackhouse
    Christian Laettner

    Free Agents
    Lonny Baxter
    Mitchell Butler
    Chris Whitney
    Mickael Pietrus Le site officiel

  • #2
    Re: Hoopsworld's protected/unprotected list

    Yeah, they must be just guessing with Cro on the list.

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    • #3
      Re: Hoopsworld's protected/unprotected list

      Yeah, they must be just guessing with Cro on the list.
      Interesting! Bird is doing the choseing though and I don't see him making the same choices as Donnie.

      I just had a new thought. If Croshere is protected that means either Bird doesn't want to lose him, or more likely, Cro is going to be part of a big trade and Bird doesn't want it missed up.

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      • #4
        Re: Hoopsworld's protected/unprotected list

        Right Will, I considered that too. Protect Cro because the forward positions will be depleted through trade and pay off Charlotte to not take Reggie if necessary.

        Some of the players listed are ones that have been listed in the media but a few choices seem suspect. Like why would Minnesota protect Johnson if Ebi has made as much progress as they've said he has. Bonzi? I don't know what goes on behind the scenes of course.

        Looking at this list makes me realize again just how deep Memphis is.
        Mickael Pietrus Le site officiel

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        • #5
          Re: Hoopsworld's protected/unprotected list

          Where is Cato on this list? Argh.
          Mickael Pietrus Le site officiel

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          • #6
            Re: Hoopsworld's protected/unprotected list

            NEW YORK KNICKS
            Protected
            Stephon Marbury
            Tim Thomas
            Kurt Thomas
            Nazr Mohammed
            Frank Williams
            Mike Sweetney
            Al Harrington
            Cezary Trybanski


            oh wait that's not anything but is
            AGH!
            Play Mafia!
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            • #7
              Re: Hoopsworld's protected/unprotected list

              They are guessing. If the P's are willing to risk leaving Reggie unprotected then the choice comes down to Cro v. AJ strictly on impact to the team. IWC they may may protecting the PF slot in case they do trade AH.

              Yeah...where is Cato on that list and can we somehow fool them into letting us claim Bo Outlaw??? Please?

              Settle left 3 bigs unprotected, they may not be much good in the SOnics view but they will lose one of them.
              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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