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    Luckily for us the Pacers are the only ones who understand this concept. Maybe you shouldn't post it out in public where other teams can see it even.


    Like the Pacers are getting back players that will contribute more than JO will. Please. Right now is some group of fans hoping suckers like the Pacers will take their dopes so they can get JO.

    You pay JO now to INCREASE HIS VALUE. It's an investment. You want to get some good chunks to rebuild with, send out his expiring to a contender that's falling off the pace in JO's final year. You get a quality vet and maybe a pick so they can get cap space.

    As the FINAL move in a Pacers rebuild, JO being traded for that last vet piece makes a lot more sense than getting a 20th pick and some longer contracts that cost you somewhere close to that SAME $44m with modest to low output.
    Yep, let's put another $5 grand in that old suv gas eating guzzler, which is worth $5 grand, so we can can trade it next year for $4 grand when it's older and depreciated even more! Forget the price of gas, and it only gets 14 MPG.

    That's the thinking of numerous posters on this board. Spend 21mil more on JO in hopes he will get better trade value next year that won't include the 21mil in salary spent on him. Oh, I forgot JO will be retuning to Allstar form this coming season and his health will be fine, so he won't he adding to that 126 games missed in 5 years. Or adding to the 20-25 mil that the Simons have already paid him for games not played.

    If this is true, then DW won't have any problem finding takers for Starbury's expiring 21mil contract b4 the season starts. Maybe DW can trade him for JO. Is DW that foolish to take on and pay an extra 23mil for JO all in the hopes JO will be the JO of old? Some think the Simons are and should!

    If I truly believed JO would return to Allstar form, play 75 games this year for the Pacers, and not detract from the play of the others players, I'd jump on the bandwagon of keeping him; but I think that is foolish wishful thinking.

    At the present time I'm so frustrated with JO, his greed, and lack of playing, that I'd trade him for any type deal that even has a hint of being decent with an expiring, young player with some possible talent, a role playing veteran, and hopefully a pick. It doesn't have to be a great deal, I gave up on that along time ago, but a deal that can be lived with. For those that have been advocating buying out Tinsley, the savings of 23mil for JO's last year the Pacers could even used to buy out Tinjury! Then both would be gone. The last chapter of the book on the last 4 years would be closed, and a new beginning starts. JMOAA

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    Yep, let's put another $5 grand in that old suv gas eating guzzler, which is worth $5 grand, so we can can trade it next year for $4 grand when it's older and depreciated even more! Forget the price of gas, and it only gets 14 MPG.

    That's the thinking of numerous posters on this board. Spend 21mil more on JO in hopes he will get better trade value next year that won't include the 21mil in salary spent on him. Oh, I forgot JO will be retuning to Allstar form this coming season and his health will be fine, so he won't he adding to that 126 games missed in 5 years. Or adding to the 20-25 mil that the Simons have already paid him for games not played.

    If this is true, then DW won't have any problem finding takers for Starbury's expiring 21mil contract b4 the season starts. Maybe DW can trade him for JO. Is DW that foolish to take on and pay an extra 23mil for JO all in the hopes JO will be the JO of old? Some think the Simons are and should!

    If I truly believed JO would return to Allstar form, play 75 games this year for the Pacers, and not detract from the play of the others players, I'd jump on the bandwagon of keeping him; but I think that is foolish wishful thinking.

    At the present time I'm so frustrated with JO, his greed, and lack of playing, that I'd trade him for any type deal that even has a hint of being decent with an expiring, young player with some possible talent, a role playing veteran, and hopefully a pick. It doesn't have to be a great deal, I gave up on that along time ago, but a deal that can be lived with. For those that have been advocating buying out Tinsley, the savings of 23mil for JO's last year the Pacers could even used to buy out Tinjury! Then both would be gone. The last chapter of the book on the last 4 years would be closed, and a new beginning starts. JMOAA
    I tend to agree with you. Particularly the part about ending this era of Pacers basketball. If nothing else than from the standpoint of the psychological health of the team, franchise, and fans.

    JO wants to be moved. He's made it patently clear. This team won't be a serious contender for some time whether we have him or not. So it seems inevitable he'll be dealt sooner or later.

    If he goes to a good team, it seems inevitable (if by miracle he recuperates physically) that he can be a valuable player elsewhere. That means he'll look good elsewhere b/c his team is successful and its talented enought to where he gets to be the role player he should be-approximately 3rd to 4th offensive option and shot blocking specialist. It's a pill we have to swallow.

    In the meantime, with his injury history and discontent about being here, I can't forsee him building up his trade value significantly more than what it is now. Some permutations of the rumors that have been mentioned with Chicago or Cleveland, for example, are not bad offers for JO's market value.
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    There was a report - well just a short paragraph from the Cleveland Plain Dealer that said the cavs have no interest in JO.

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    There was a report - well just a short paragraph from the Cleveland Plain Dealer that said the cavs have no interest in JO.
    Hmmm. Of course, who knows what that means? On the surface, you can't expect anyone to be going ape**** over a guy who's been as banged up as JO.
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again... the priority this offseason should be moving Tinsley, not JO.
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again... the priority this offseason should be moving Tinsley, not JO.

    You are only half correct, the priority is moving BOTH!

    If Bird can do that, he would be a GM of the year candidate.

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again... the priority this offseason should be moving Tinsley, not JO.
    I agree 100% esp. if we can pick up a PG in the draft. Then, following the DW model, you sit back and look at what you have and what options you have. The most important option may be holding onto JO until the deadline at a minimum which gives you time to evaluate his health. If healthy you have a player to hold onto or trade, if not healthy you can begin looking for the best deal available before the next draft.
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again... the priority this offseason should be moving Tinsley, not JO.
    To me, if the Pacers moved Tinsley, the summer would be a success, regardless of what else happened, just as it would be a failure, regardless of what else happens, if Droopy suits up for the Pacers on opening night.

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again... the priority this offseason should be moving Tinsley, not JO.
    I agree with you. The rational behind wanting to move JO seems to be based more on his contract than his injury history although many try to link both. With Tinsley it's clear that injuries, attitude and inconsistent performace have all factored into the fans wanting to see him gone. JO may have sustained some serious injuries, but they've been nothing like the apparent knicks and dings that have kept Jamaal off the court.

    I found this website, Forecaster.ca (yeah, it's Canadian!) where you can plug in any player's name and get a decent injury history that spans approximately 3 years. When you compare JO's to Tinsley's it's as if Jamaal was out every week for one reason or another for what were seemingly minor injuries sustained during typical game play - an ankle sprain, bruised thigh, a knock to the funny bone (elbow) - not to mention his infamous sinus infections (which really aren't anything to "sneeze" at (...pun very much intended... ) if you've ever had one.

    Gamble1 asked which position was more important for more wins next year and we both took pretty much the same viewpoint - PG. When I look at Tinsley's injury history I can't help thinking that he's the least reliable between the two (himself and JO). Therefore, to me it's more important to shore-up the PG position coming into this year's draft than it is the PF position.

    Just my 2-cents worth.

    (Sidenote: I'll once again go on record and say that while I do believe many of Tinsley's injuries IMO are the result of happenstance, it does seem as though they happen much too frequently. So much so that durability is a legitmate concern with him. Nonetheless, it's not his durability that's at the heart of the matter with him. It's his overall attitude and his off-court issues. All three combined go into the negative column agaist retaining him.)
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