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    Default Re: Draft Express - JO to Cavs Speculation (among other things)

    JO has more trade value than this. We don't give up the #11 and would acquire the #19.

    Plus, JO can't be traded until after june 30th when he picks up his option, which is after the draft.

    So all of this is speculabumpkiss.

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    I call BS. I thought we traded our pick last season. So, unless it's no longer part of the newest CBA, I didn't think a team is allowed to trade its pick 2 years in a row.

    So, whatever the trade might be, it doesn't involve our #11 pick.
    To go over this again:

    The only rule is that at any one point in time, you can't have consecutive FUTURE draft picks traded away.

    So right now, you are not allowed to trade away your 2008 pick and 2009 pick.

    However, the moment after you use your 2008 pick, you can trade whoever you drafted with that pick. Then a minute later, you can trade your 2009 pick. The 2008 pick is irrelevant to the rule by then because it would no longer be considered a future pick.

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    JO has more trade value than this. We don't give up the #11 and would acquire the #19.

    Plus, JO can't be traded until after june 30th when he picks up his option, which is after the draft.

    So all of this is speculabumpkiss.
    NBA reporting in general is a bunch of speculabumpkiss.

    That's why I can't wait for the draft to end, so I don't have to read about numerous trade "rumors" from Chad Ford that have no realistic chance of happening.

    Worst part of these rumors is the amount of dumb threads they generate on boards like RealGM. And all because one writer said so.

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    Default Re: Draft Express - JO to Cavs Speculation (among other things)

    i wonder it there could be a way to get gibson from them.... i've always liked him, and i know cleveland is pretty high on him too. but any package would have to include the #11 pick.
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    JO has more trade value than this. We don't give up the #11 and would acquire the #19.

    Plus, JO can't be traded until after june 30th when he picks up his option, which is after the draft.

    So all of this is speculabumpkiss.
    Speculabumpkiss?

    That's snatchtacular.

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    JO and the 41st

    for

    Wally, Snow, 19th

    ?????


    For the 2009/10 season, the Pacesr could shed 28m in salary after Snows, Wallys, and release Daniels (would be my hope). I am guessing put us roughly around 25-30m in salaries. This would give them a great chance to hit he Free Agent market with some of the talent looking for contracts.

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    Plus, JO can't be traded until after june 30th when he picks up his option, which is after the draft.

    So all of this is speculabumpkiss.
    Not a problem. The trade can be announced on draft night and actually go through 4 days later. Not even a hint of difficulty with that.
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    JO and Tinsley for Wally, Z, Jones, and the #19? Works for me.
    I still think this is the start of something decent. No comments?

    A prospect or a future pick could make that a good deal for the Pacers. Pacers get out of Tinsley's brutal contract, get a couple decent pieces back, don't take on bad contracts, and get a decent player like Rush or CDR.
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    Not a problem. The trade can be announced on draft night and actually go through 4 days later. Not even a hint of difficulty with that.
    Plus, the NBA rules say:

    Section 7. Option Exercise Notices.
    The NBA shall provide the Players Association with copies of any Option or ETO exercise or non-exercise notice received by the NBA within two (2) business days of the NBA’s receipt of such notice from the Team.
    Which seems to indicate that JO and his agents can actively waive the ETO, allowing the transaction to be completed on draft night.

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    I still think this is the start of something decent. No comments?

    A prospect or a future pick could make that a good deal for the Pacers. Pacers get out of Tinsley's brutal contract, get a couple decent pieces back, don't take on bad contracts, and get a decent player like Rush or CDR.
    I like it, but if I keep agreeing with you, people will start to talk.

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    You don't give CLE your 11 to take JO for Wally/Snow. It's not that big a favor on their part.
    I've gotta agree with the "no thanks" part. Just remember, this is the team that gave up a first rounder for Harrington, and years ago gave up an extra first rounder for Foster.

    I hope they are not as dumb this time, but it is Bird.

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    That is a ridiculous trade.
    Yes no doubt about that.

    Jermaine is owed a lot of money but the fact still remains that he is still a good player. You are taking a risk with his health issues but maybe Jermaine is right and he just had one big injury and not a series of small ones.

    The 11th pick is a pretty good draft pick. I mean it's not like you are picking at the end of the first round. I don't even know if i'd give up the 11th pick for someone to take Troy Murphy let alone Jermaine.

    Jermaine's contract is going expire in like what 2 years. So yes he is owed a lot of money but over a very short period of time.

    Cleveland would need to give the Pacers their draft pick this year, not the Pacers giving the Cavs theirs.

    Having cap room is a little overratted. Yes it's nice. But you are not going to build a winner through free agency. It's hard for good ones to be on the market let alone willing to sign with the Pacers right now. My point here is that cap room isn't worth giving away your best player and the 11th pick in the draft. And hell even if we get expirings for Jermaine that probably won't put us under to sign a big time free agent even if one was willing to come here.

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    I will point out again (as I always do with this author) that Givony was fired from one internet rag after he admitted faking quotes and lying about interviews that never happend.

    He has 0 cred IMPO.
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    I don't even know if i'd give up the 11th pick for someone to take Troy Murphy let alone Jermaine.

    You are kidding right?

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    Here's a question .... a lot of teams are trying to trade down ....

    What if this deal was expirings and #19 for JO ... then we moved #11, and #19 to move up some spots, and get a player we really wanted?

    Just an idea, of course.

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    No thanks. Even if J.O. could never play again, his imminently expiring
    $20 mil per, contract will be very attractive either a year from now or
    at the Feb deadline the the following season.

    Patience LB, patience.

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    Morway: No Truth To O'Neal/Cleveland Rumors

    Indiana general manager David Morway revealed in a phone conversation with RealGM on Thursday afternoon that the team has not discussed a trade with Cleveland involving Jermaine O'Neal.

    When asked about the rumor, Morway simply said "No."
    Rumors were circulating around the internet that the Pacers were thinking about sending O'Neal and the 11th pick to the Cavaliers for the expiring contracts of guards Eric Snow and Wally Szczerbiak.


    "It's tough to answer questions on trades, but in this particular case I will say that the rumor is completely false," Morway added.
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    Bad deal for the Pacers.
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    I will point out again (as I always do with this author) that Givony was fired from one internet rag after he admitted faking quotes and lying about interviews that never happend.

    He has 0 cred IMPO.
    Thanks, I didn't bother to check the source (stupid move). This guy is not worth 3+ pages on.

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    Morway: No Truth To O'Neal/Cleveland Rumors

    Indiana general manager David Morway revealed in a phone conversation with RealGM on Thursday afternoon that the team has not discussed a trade with Cleveland involving Jermaine O'Neal.

    When asked about the rumor, Morway simply said "No."
    Rumors were circulating around the internet that the Pacers were thinking about sending O'Neal and the 11th pick to the Cavaliers for the expiring contracts of guards Eric Snow and Wally Szczerbiak.


    "It's tough to answer questions on trades, but in this particular case I will say that the rumor is completely false," Morway added.
    Via Andrew Perna/RealGM
    Good. TPTB may yet have some competence about them.

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    Whew, thank goodness. That deal was horrible.

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    I will point out again (as I always do with this author) that Givony was fired from one internet rag after he admitted faking quotes and lying about interviews that never happend.

    He has 0 cred IMPO.
    Thanks Geezer! I remembered Givony had done something and was looking for that bit of information earlier and got sidetracked and forgot about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indygeezer View Post
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    I will point out again (as I always do with this author) that Givony was fired from one internet rag after he admitted faking quotes and lying about interviews that never happend.

    He has 0 cred IMPO.
    Do you happen to have any links?

    I believe you, but I'm interested in reading what he did and his admission.

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    That was the most ridiculous trade rumor I've ever seen. How anyboody could defend it makes me question their alliegience to the Pacers. The Pacers would give up their most valuable asset and the 11th pick for Wally, the 19th, and Snow. Bird would have to have the IQ of a rock to make that deal. Any dealings with Cleveland would not include any draft pick from the Pacers and would certainly require Cleveland's 19th, period.
    Last edited by eldubious; 06-05-2008 at 09:24 PM.

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    I'd definitely pass on the Wally/Snow for JO deal. I'd think the Pacers would entertain a JO/Tinsley for Z/Wally/Jones and #19 pick.

    The team that will take O'Neal will be a team like Cleveland, Detroit, Dallas, Utah, Phoenix, etc. who may be on the brink of winning a championship but feels they are one player away. I could also see them doing a deal if they could land a nice draft pick too (top 10).

    Pacers new lineup:

    Augustin (#11), Diener, Jones
    Dunleavy, Daniels, Wally
    Granger, Williams, Graham
    Murphy, Speights (#19 pick), Diogu
    Z, Foster, 2nd rd pick

    Pacers lineup and salary cap situation in 2009-2010:

    PG: Augustin (2 million), Diener (1.7 million), FA (1 million)
    SG; Dunleavy (9.8 million), 2008 draft pick (1.5 million), FA (800k)
    SF: Granger, (10 million), Williams (2.4 million), FA (1 million)
    PF: Murphy (11 million), Diogu (4 million), FA (1 million)
    C: Z (11.5 million), Foster resigned (4 million), #19 pick (1.5 million)

    Pacers would have a total cap of about 60 million. Big Z has a player option for 2009-2010 and could be a potential expiring as well and would be an expiring contract after next season. After 2008-2009 season, the Pacers would shed contracts of Wally, Marquis, Jones, Diogu, Foster and Graham. That's a total of about 34.3 million. Granted, I think the Pacers would resign some of those players. Add Big Z if he were to decline his player option and the Pacers would have expirings of 45+ million.

    Just some food for thought!

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