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    I wanted to examine the possibilities of trading down a few spots in the draft: Who might want to move up, and what type of price they might agree to pay. Here are some possibilities as I see them today:

    1. Portland trades #13 and PG Jarrett Jack to Indiana
    Indiana trades #11 and the rights to Erazem Lorbek to Portland.

    2. Golden State trades #14, #49 and C Patrick O'Bryant to Indiana
    Indiana trades #11 and the rights to Erazem Lorbek to Golden State.

    3. Sacramento trades #12, #42, #43, and cash of 3 million to Indiana
    Indiana trades #11 and #41 to Sacramento

    4. Washington trades #18,#47, C Brendan Haywood, and 3 million cash to Indiana.
    Indiana trades #11 and a signed and traded Kareem Rush to Washington

    5. New Jersey trades #21, #40, and PG Marcus Williams to Indiana
    Indiana trades #11 and a signed and traded Andre Owens to New Jersey.


    What do we think as a group of these 5 trade down possibilities?

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    I like the New Jersey and Sacramento trades.

    With the New Jersey trade we, I think, upgrade our point guard spot at least a little.

    With the Sacramento trade we get another second round pick which we could use on a guy like Bill Walker, or even Courtney Lee if they are available.
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    I think it all depends on what we think of the players coming back, and whom we feel will be available at #11

    I like the one with the Wiz b/c Haywood can defend and rebound
    Then do we still look at a PG at #18 with Lawson or Chalmers, or do we take the best player available and look for another way to land a PG

    Portland's could also be interesting b/c you're only moving down a couple spots... PLUS you get a PG, but is that the PG you're looking for?

    I think I may do the New Jersey one in a heatbeat. I think Marcus Williams is a good young PG who could start for us. We could then draft a big or best player available at #21 maybe a Speights or R. Lopez
    If we take the best available maybe we could use the 2nd rounder on DJ White.

    Not sure I understand the Kings options. I guess another 2nd rounder and cash would be nice to gain, but I don't really see the point for the Kings. If there's someone available at our pick that they want, then why trade up, unless we want that player as well. If that's the case.. why would we trade down?

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    I really don't think Marcus Williams is much to write home about. We add a pick but that scenario has a descending in the 1st round more than any other.

    I think all the others are decent with #1 the obvious best case. Jack is a more stable presence at PG than anybody we've had around here since Mark Jackson. He may not be an all star but he's seasoned and solid. I think he's a lot better the Williams will be, meaning neither is or will be an elite player. I think Jack is more experienced, mentally tougher, and a better defender, although by no means a good defender.

    Question: Would Portland do this? What would they be seeking that two spots better definitely secures for them? Adding Haywood wouldn't be bad, but again, depending on who they draft do they have a legit, experienced center to fall back on? Blatche I don't think is a C and Etan Thomas had the whole heart condition deal.
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    I would do the Portland trade. We still can get a good player at 13. You add Jarrett Jack to that deal and it would be hard to pass up from the Pacers perspective.

    But yeah why does Portland do this? If anything they will trade their pick away for a veteran, not to move up in the draft.

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    i would only do the sac trade, but not sure why they would unless a player slid to our pick which they absolutely wanted

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    Portland's could also be interesting b/c you're only moving down a couple spots... PLUS you get a PG, but is that the PG you're looking for?

    I think I may do the New Jersey one in a heatbeat. I think Marcus Williams is a good young PG who could start for us. We could then draft a big or best player available at #21 maybe a Speights or R. Lopez
    So, Marcus Williams is a good young PG who could start for us but Jarret Jack isn't the PG we're looking for? Marcus Williams is 22 years old and averaged 5.9 points, 2.6 assists, and 1.4 turnovers on 38% shooting. He also has some significant skeletons in his closet. Jack is 24 years old and averaged 9.9 points, 3.9 assists, and 2.1 turnovers on 43% shooting. Jack played for a much better team than Williams, is big enough to play the 2 in a pinch, is a better defender than Williams, has no character baggage, and is a year removed from a season where he averaged 12 points and 5 assists with a 2/1 A/TO.

    Jack is a better player than Williams now. Jack will be a better player than Williams in 5 years. If Westbrook, Gordon, and Love are gone at #11, I'd do the Portland trade in a heartbeat.
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    1. Portland trades #13 and PG Jarrett Jack to Indiana
    Indiana trades #11 and the rights to Erazem Lorbek to Portland.

    2. Golden State trades #14, #49 and C Patrick O'Bryant to Indiana
    Indiana trades #11 and the rights to Erazem Lorbek to Golden State.

    3. Sacramento trades #12, #42, #43, and cash of 3 million to Indiana
    Indiana trades #11 and #41 to Sacramento

    4. Washington trades #18,#47, C Brendan Haywood, and 3 million cash to Indiana.
    Indiana trades #11 and a signed and traded Kareem Rush to Washington

    5. New Jersey trades #21, #40, and PG Marcus Williams to Indiana
    Indiana trades #11 and a signed and traded Andre Owens to New Jersey.

    What do we think as a group of these 5 trade down possibilities?
    Scenario 1: Really not much of a reason for Portland to do that. They need Jack if they can't find a better PG, and if they do, he's a solid backup. There's really nothing at #11 that's going to appeal more to the Blazers than what they can get at #13.

    Scenario 2: The Warriors would probably agree to that provided that the guy they want can be had at #11 but can't be had at #13.

    Scenario 3: Unless the Kings really want a guy at #11 that they can't get at #12, their ownership probably won't shell out $3M cash just to move up one spot.

    Scenario 4: The Wiz probably don't do that. Who's going to play C for them? They're not going to replace their starting C with a rookie. Said rookie's prime doesn't coincide with the prime years of Butler, Jamison, Arenas.

    Scenario 5: NJ probably agrees to that but that's the one trade I don't think the Pacers should do. You're going to complain about Marcus Williams like you do Tinsley and the percentages are high that you're taking a significant step back in talent by trading down 10 slots.

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