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    Default A couple of other players for consideration for the Pacers draft pick

    In keeping with the drafting thread trend going on... I'd like to start a discussion on a few players I don't see much talk about around here.. and see what you guys think....



    Over at NBA.com there are some videos up on alot of the players..
    I think everyone should check them out... pretty cool...

    I personally would be happy with Westbrook or Augustin.. if that is who we end up with.... barring Gordon or Love isn't on the boards still

    But there are a few others who have really sparked my interest , and that's why I made this thread to get everyone elses opinions on these guys....

    Here is a link to highlight videos of each of these players...

    ---> http://www.nba.com/draft2008/prospect_highlights.html


    First up on my list of guys I like..

    Chase Buddinger ...
    Physicals:
    H: 6' 7"
    W: 190 lbs
    Bday: 12/31/1987
    (20 Years Old)
    Positions:
    Current: SG/SF
    NBA: SG/SF
    Possible: SG/SF

    Profile : http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chase-Budinger-502/

    I really like this guy , I think he will end up being a way better player than most anticipate.. and I think the coaches at Arizona know this to be true as well.. He has EXCELLENT ballhandling skills, is excellent around the rim, due to his experience as one of the top 5 volleyball players in the country.. He also according to his coaches is a VERY team oriented player , is unselfish , and is constantly pushing himself to get better..

    next we have

    Roy Hibbert

    Physicals:
    H: 7' 2"
    W: 272 lbs
    Bday: 12/11/1986
    (21 Years Old)
    Positions:
    Current: C
    NBA: C
    Possible: C

    Rankings:
    Round: 1 Pick: 23 in 2008 Mock Draft
    Rank 1 in NCAA Seniors
    Rank 6 in Top Centers

    Profile : http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Roy-Hibbert-585/

    Don't know much about this guy , except for what I have seen in some highlight footage.. and he looked to be pretty solid.. but could use some more muscle packed on him . opinions??



    So what about these 2 guys, providing they are still on the board, and the Pacer's decide against DJ or Westbrooke .. or that no other players such as Gordon or Love are left for us...

    I am not as concerned on this particular thread about us drafting by need, as we all know what we need.. lol I am just trying to get some opinions and info on these other 2 guys I dont see much talk about...
    I think regardless of NEED we should pick the absolute best player..


    Discuss !!
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    Default Re: A couple of other players for consideration for the Pacers draft pick

    Well if we draft either of the two guys you like I'll be throwing myself off the top of Conseco.

    If Buddinger is so talented how come he didn't progress from his freshman year to his sophomore year? How come he couldn't help get Jerryd Bayless even past the first round of the tournament? It would seem to me that a top 5 pick paired with a lotto pick should be enough to get out of the first round. Basically I don't think Buddinger showed anything in his two years at Zona to show he is constantly working to get better. Buddinger's stats basically stayed exactly the same from his freshman to sophomore year. Sure he averaged 17.1 pts his soph year compared to 15.6 his freshman year, but he did that with two more minutes a game and his FG% decreased from 48% to 44%. I'm not even mildly interested in selecting Buddinger with the 11th pick.

    Also, don't even get me started on HIbbert. This guy is not going to amount to anything in the NBA. He is seven feet tall and could barely rebound in college.
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    Pass. No offense, but if that's the best we can do with a #11 pick I'll be upset.
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    Default Re: A couple of other players for consideration for the Pacers draft pick

    this is why I am asking YOU GUYS !!! lol

    I didnt SAY I wanted us to pick them... I was just interested in finding more out about them .. GEESH!! and yes I said I Liked Buddinger.. I didn't say OH GOD WE SHOULD DRAFT HIM!!!!!!



    And as for the 2 guys I SAID I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH US PICKING , Westbrooke and Augustin..

    If you would seriously throw yourself off Conseco if we picked one of them, oh pretty please ??.. let me escort you , I'll bring the beer and chips heh.. lol j/p

    Just cause a player isn't one of the top few DOES NOT mean that they can't develop into something as good or better than the top few picks..

    Look at Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili for example... Parker couldnt shoot a jump shot to save his life... but he WORKED at it.. what was he like a 25th pick or something? . and look at him now..
    and what Manu was at the end of the line being drafted.. and I guarantee ANY NBA team would LOVE to have him right now..

    draft position DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT...
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    Default Re: A couple of other players for consideration for the Pacers draft pick

    Your second post lost me. Don't post a thread asking what people think if you're just gonna freak out when they give you their opinion.

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    nah I wasn't freaking out , lol.. I just dont like it when you ASSUME I want to draft the 2 guys i asked about.. trying to make me look like a dumba$$ for even asking about them...

    I didn't ask for a comment trying to belittle my post and genuine curiousity.... by you saying you would throw yourself off conseco .. cause of what I was asking about... I just wanted to know what people thought of hibbert and buddinger.. thats all..

    If you think I was trying to be an a$$..
    I appologize and am
    sorry for coming off like I was freaking out , lol..

    I just hate feeling belittled when all I am doing is asking about something..


    but ya , anyways ... lets move along.. ...

    lets use this thread to discuss the not often talked about players.. I just had given a few examples..

    thank you
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    IMHO Roy Hibbert is moderately skilled, but is slower than dirt, can't jump and is out of shape. Woulda been a lottery pick if he came out last year. But 60% FG and 2 BPG will make him a decent role player somewhere.

    Chase Budinger is a lot like Sean Elliott in that he is a sweet shooting swingman from Arizona that is a complete sieve on D.
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    more like thompson, walker, greene, lawson, lee, cdr, rush, koufos, giddens, singletary...
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    My thoughts on these two players.

    Buddinger.

    Good talent on paper. He has everything you want in a wing player with decent size, athletic ability, and skills. No troubles off the court that I know of either.

    To me though Buddinger just hasn't player up to his talent level. He hasn't put it all together. He really didn't show improvement from his freshman to sophmore seasons either, IMO. I will admit I did not watch him a lot this season, only a few times, but when I did see him play he never stood out to me. Maybe this isn't such a bad thing either.

    Another thing about Buddinger is we already have Mike and Danny. When you look at Westbrook there is a chance he developes into a point or at the very least he can be a defensive presence in the backcourt. With a guy like Eric Gordon, if he were to fall to us at 11, he can be a more productive player than Buddinger IMO. So even if we were high on Buddinger I think there will be players on the board that could be just as good or better than Chase when its all said and done.

    Please I hope we stay away from Roy Hibbert. It's nothing against him. Roy just isn't worth of being picked at 11. I think there are teams in the 20s that would be great for him though. Teams such as Utah, Orlando, and Detroit.

    Not to change your thread Kemo but i'll list some prospects I think are better for the Pacers than Buddinger/Hibbert that do not get talked about much.

    Donte Greene.

    This kid is a wild card player. He really is similar to Shawne Williams, maybe just a little taller. I would take a chance on him though. Hell in this day and age he probably could play the 4 with some added strength. Really a good talent.

    Marreese Speights.

    Not unheard of around here but Augistin/Westbrook get all the talk around here. I think that Speights is my favorite big man prospect for the Pacers at this point. Chad Ford had some nice things to say about him lately. He lost some weight recently and improved his shot. Great pick and roll player according to his nbadraft.net profile so take it for what its worth.

    Question about his desire and defense. He doesn't always play with the fire you would like to see.

    Joe Alexander.

    He is one of the most interesting players in the draft. I really like his game and approach. If we were to take another wing player I think I would pick Joe over Donte, Batum, and Buddinger. The knock on him is his lack of range but to be honest I kind of like that. He takes shots within his range and that's a huge plus. You see a lot of guys shooting the three that shouldn't be but Joe is not one of them. I have even began to wonder if the Pacers should take Joe over Westbrook or Augistin? To me, Joe will be the better player but Westbrook or Augistin could fill needs for us. They say you don't draft on need in the NBA though so who knows.

    My question with Joe is can he play any power forward for a winning team? He does not have the height but is a solid athlete and has a good wingspan. Ike comes to mind here and I think that it has less to do with Ike's height and more to do with his head (not to be a prick) as to why he doesn't do well on defense. If it came down to it I would take Joe over most of the other bigs. At worst Joe turns into a good player but can't play the 4 and him, Danny, or Mike have to be moved down the line.

    Here is a little about Joe A from draftexpress.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joe-Alexander-1185/
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    rommie - i like your take on greene and jumpin joe

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    Budinger is a decent enough talent, but as mentioned, didn't show much improvement this season. Nothing about his game truly stands out and you already have Dunleavy/Granger as SF. If he plays SG, he's going to be at a quickness disadvantage more often than not.

    Hibbert has nice touch around the basket and overall offensive feel, but the guy is just too slow and lacks the athleticism and stamina to be a full time starter in the NBA. He'd be decent pick from 25-30 for a halfcourt team like Utah as a backup C.

    As far as Joe Alexander, he's got nice leaping ability and a stepback jumper, but that's about all I saw.
    All his dunk highlights seem to be during practice/scrimmage other than that one dunk against UConn shown over and over again. He didn't show much ability to take a guy off the dribble or really finish inside in traffic.

    Alexander to me looks like a shorter Yi Jianlian. He's got some good length and athleticism, but he's going to get pushed around at the PF and probably doesn't have the footspeed to defend NBA SFs.

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    all his dunk highlights dc? you watch joe at all at wv? joe has more than a stepback jumper. he's one of the more well rounded offensive players in this draft as far as his ability to create a shot for himself. can post up, drive, step back, run off screens, and he actually finishes in traffic. he's a safe pick for whomever drafts him. doubt he'll be great, but should definitely be a solid starter for a contender...imo...

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    Hibbert very best case scenario, Desagna Diop or maybe Jarron Collins.

    Chase, maybe Joey Graham? Thats a hard one.

    Joe Alexander really surprised me with his handles a bunch of times I saw him. I actually got to see West Virginia play quite a bit due to having close family from there. He's raw to me, but he has some tools, I don't have a good comparison.

    I was really impressed on how much his teammates looked to him and leaned on him. Thats always a sign to me of a teams best player, when you see teammates have faith in someone when stuff breaks down offensively.

    Again he can handle the ball excellent when creating a shot, its a little wild and I don't mean handle it like a point guard bringing the ball up the court or real tight/close to the body handle. I guess I'm saying its sloppy, but very fixable. He's a better dribble drive guy right now than the Pacers small forward with a big/quick first step and an array of behind the back/moves to get to the rack. I remember a couple of ankle breakers going to the hole throughout the season.

    It'll take him some work, to do things against NBA defenders, but this really impressed me.

    Lastly, I don't think he is close to having NBA range on a 3, but he can hit a jumper for sure. Again, very fixable. All of his flaws seem fixable to me.

    Maybe I guess I'd say a really really raw and poor mans Richard Jefferson comparison, but even thats not really right and I'm not saying he'll be an allstar or whatever.
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    i think jeff green could be a good comparison for joe

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    I like what I have seen of Joe Alexander. He has great slashing ability and better handles than Granger does now. His shot is not as developed from the outside yet but he has
    the tremendous drive to get better. He is a leader.
    With his physical abilities and desire I rank him very highly. Pick at 11? Maybe if Westbrook and Love are gone. It also depends on how TPTB evaluate the bigs outside of Love such
    as Speights and McGee. There is some great video on Speights and Alexander on the ESPN site that was posted elsewhere.

    I would love to see the Pacers getting a second pick this year in the first. Maybe they can
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    You know, does Bird perhaps have his eye on someone slotted to go in the 11-17 range with most the mocks? He seemed pretty confident he'd get a good player, and that means he's either got like 11-13 guys at the top of the draft that he loves (unlikely), or that he's going to make a "reach."

    Maybe he's got his eye on McGee? Or maybe he's sold on Augustine. Or maybe he's committed to taking the risk on Jordan?
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    Have I mentioned Joe can handle the ball.

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    Larry Bird might take Nicholas Batum as a wing player. The kid has all the tools but just needs some time. Batum would step up if we are unable to sign Danny Granger. Odds are the Pacers are either going big or pg with the 11th pick. Bird likes players that can run the court and play muliple positions (not Hibbert) Speights, Jordan, & J Mcgee are all possibilities unless he is 100% sold on DJ Augustine/Westbrook/Chalmers. Chalmers could be a reach at 11; but if Larry wants a pg and thinks he is the best PG on the board he will be picked.

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    more like thompson, walker, greene, lawson, lee, cdr, rush, koufos, giddens, singletary...

    why would we overreach for any of these players? These are end of the 1st round players. Only 1 you could think about would be rush. Singeltary isn't a 1st round pick on any mock draft on any site

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    I am already on record that if we draft Buddinger I'm PFFL'ing.
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    I just hate feeling belittled when all I am doing is asking about something...
    Yeah, I'm the same way. My bad man. I really wasn't reacting to you, I was reacting to Hibbert.

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    I am already on record that if we draft Buddinger I'm PFFL'ing.
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    Budinger has a nice shooting touch w/long-ball range and decent ball handling skills, but I didn't see much from him on the defensive end and for a SF that should be part of his skill-set.

    As for Hibbert, dunk...dunk...dunk...dunk...

    I saw only one blocked shot in his highlight reel, a few off-balance post-up moves and that was about it. He does run the floor fairly well, but he didn't look to me to be all that polished. Not quite ready for prime-time just yet, but in 2-3 years he should be.

    Should the Pacers draft either of these guys? I'd say no. They're already grooming Shawne Williams @ SF. So, Budinger would be out. If they do draft a Center, I'd hope they'd select Kosta Koufos. This guy plays under the rim deep in the paint, has quick hands, very good lateral movement, has a keen eye for tracking the bouncing ball to get rebounds/tips-ins and he knows how to box out effectively. Plus, he's already a big-body. So, it wouldn't take much to get him ready for the NBA. IMO, whoever gets him will get a very skilled and talented Center.
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