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I guess another reason I like Westbrook better because I think next year he's a rotation player who could be the first guard off the bench, just based on his ability to defend and 5 years down the road, if he truely is a gym rat, then you have something maybe special.
Anytime I hear gym rat, I'm interested.
Pacers can't lose with selecting either. My hope is that they select Augustin, but my gut tells me they'll choose Westbrook.
He's our man if he's there at #11.
But we've all heard that Lopez will go early and nobody projects Randolph that high.
I'm still hoping for Mayo but if he's not there I'd like DW to go for Randolph. We can wait a couple of years - we'll suck for at least that long anyway. There will be surer bets at 6 but nobody, except maybe Jordan, with as much upside.
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Yeah, this is definitely the guy we should draft! He reminds me of Penny Hardaway before his knees went bad.
Mayo, EJ, Love, Westbrook - when I watched them I thought they clearly stood out. And typically the commentators of the game were agreeing at the time. They aren't slipping off radars. If anything they might be overvalued, though I don't think that's true either.
Of the "past 15 or so" SG types I think CDR has the best set of offensive moves, but I haven't thought much of his defensive ability. Rush isn't quite the scorer CDR is but he really plays smart and like Westbrook he finds his way into lots of plays, more of a glue guy than a focal point. Lee also has some pretty nice scoring moves, maybe not CDR, but he seems to give you more defense.
Keep in mind that Lee went straight up against Westbrook in the tourney and basically handled him fine. Considering that he can be had in the 2nd round allegedly that might be a nice bargin.
I'm calling Bill Walker a SF. He's so Jackson it's not funny (physical tweener SG/SF with really streaky offense and a habit of getting overly emotionally charged). Technically you could use him at SG, certainly a better fit there than Dun is.
DJ quick as Best? Hmm, I guess but I never saw that myself. To me Collison seems much quicker than DJ. To me DJ is like the smaller version of Bayless and honestly I think Bayless also has the better passing game. How DJ is the pure PG and Bayless is a combo is beyond me. DJ often took over and called his own number, especially in the tourney. That's not "pure PG" to me.
So did Love, and in both cases it wasn't work ethic directly that made that happen, as in "used to suck but he got a lot better". This was simply where a guy was projected and then people got to see what his actual game is and views changed. I don't think EJ dropped a bit because he doesn't work at it, people just got to see him with prime time NCAA minutes and saw the flaws that were already there.That type of improvement takes a serious work ethic
To me a drop or climb in cases like this have more to do with mocks guessing at a player's talent rather than their own in-season improvement. Now a 4th year guy might drop or flatten out from year 3 and hurt his stock (Hibbert), but Westbrook was never a guy people thought "he stinks". More like "haven't thought about it".
First game I saw of UCLA this year he was noticeable. Same with Love. I was watching for Collison only at the time, didn't even know about the other two. Same with KS and Rush/Chalmers, Memphis and CDR/Dorsey, and so on.
This isn't to say that Brook didn't work at it, it's just saying that his climb doesn't directly indicate "gym rat" status or something.
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Austin Croshere and Troy Murphy are a couple examples of bigtime gymrats. For some reason, their work ethic gets reported more than others, but there are plenty of other guys like that in the league.
And I'd take Westbrook, FTR.
be careful with those highlight videos...a highlight video can be edited to make anybody look like a future all-star. what you see in that video from westbrook is not really indicative of his game for the full 40minutes...
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I stand corrected. Still, the point is we retained him as a key component to the team's immediate future. The question TPTB have to answer is, "How many above the rim players can this roster handle?" Granger has ups, but Graham can really throw down. Should they draft Westbrook they'd certainly be adding another "above the rim" type player into the mix. Bird/Morray will then need to decide if it's improved perimeter defense w/playmaking they want at the Point or playmaking with ball distribution and the ability to run the offense?
As I said, if it's between Westbrook and Augustin I think they'll go with Westbrook, but I'd rather they took Augustin instead.
Exactly. As soon as you see 20 dunks and oops you know the reel is basically worthless for seeing a guy's game. I went on YouTube looking a bit last night and watched some reels on guys I'd seen in plenty of full games. Kevin Love's reel had ZERO outlet passes, and when you grab it baseline, toss it 3/4 court for the zero dribble layup by a teammate, that's a highlight. Yet his real suggests he is an undersized PF who either takes dunks or spots up for jumpers. None of his clever post work, none of his steals or quality inside defense since he rarely gets a shot block...the reel showed nothing that would make you draft him.
This was true for all these guys. I need to see Bayless dunking on an oop maybe once just to show his in-traffic hops. Show me some stop and go's, pivots, hand changes, cross-overs and a variety of the passes he can make, not just the same behind the back or oop assist over and over.
Worst is this no-brainer stuff like the previously mentioned open dunks. Really, a quality NCAA player can dunk it when left wide open. Wow, you sold me on the kid.
I think he showed enough to get another shot as bench fodder, but I have a hard time believing that anyone is really considering him a key component of the team's immediate future.
Westbrook hands down.. I don't even want Augustine.. I think he will be a flop.
Also of note, Westbrook apparently has really big hands, which allows him to have greater control with the ball. Players used to make note of how MJ's hands were so big, and it allowed him to do more stuff with the rock. I'm pulling for a Westbrook/CDR backcourt next year!
The more I've thought about it, the more it's made sense that Westbrooke could play guard next to Dunleavy.
Honestly, I might call Dun the PG and Westbrooke the SG, then switch them on defense. It really would be easier to hide Dun if he was on the court with Danny and Westbrooke.
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Why would Westbrook be better alongside Dunleavy than Quis? He'd better be a whole lot better or he will not improve our back court. Does he have a better handle? How much better? Can he initiate the offense? What about his game differs from Quis's substantially that make him such a good fit?
Seriously, I wouldn't take Chalmers with the #11, but I really want him if we can acquire a late first.
My biggest hopes are for us to move up and grab EJ, get another late first and take Chalmers, and then move up in the 2nd and take White.
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