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    If this happens, and we offer Milwaukee Ike and Greene or Alexander (who we pick at 11) for EJ, would that just make too much sense?

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    Don't be surprised if we take a runner on McGee. Unless someone falls, a la Danny, to #11, McGee is a guy who fits what O'Brien wants and has Tremendous Upside Potential.

    I like Augustin, we definitely need a PG, but we also need a C who can shoot, dribble, pass, and is an incredible athlete.

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    If this happens, and we offer Milwaukee Ike and Greene or Alexander (who we pick at 11) for EJ, would that just make too much sense?
    If Alexander or Greene is who they like, they'll gladly trade down and swap picks with you.

    If Eric Gordon is the guy they like, then they probably won't mess around. They'll just take him and keep him.

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    I REALLY would like us to trade up to pick 6-8. IF Ike and our #11 pick are enough for that then I'm all for it, but I don't see that happenning, while Shawne and our #11 is a little too risky and too much again (IMHO). Maybe Ike #11 and a future second rounder for the Bucks pick? I dunno.

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    I REALLY would like us to trade up to pick 6-8. IF Ike and our #11 pick are enough for that then I'm all for it, but I don't see that happenning, while Shawne and our #11 is a little too risky and too much again (IMHO). Maybe Ike #11 and a future second rounder for the Bucks pick? I dunno.
    Unless it's a smoke screen Larry seems to think we will get a pretty good player with the 11th pick. He's twice now said the following;

    "My main concern was not to go backward," Bird said by telephone Tuesday from Secaucus, N.J., where the lottery was conducted in the NBA Entertainment studios. "We feel like the No. 11 pick is going to be a pretty good one and we're happy about that.

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/lottery_080520.html

    I'm wondering who those 11 are?

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    IMO picking 11 doesn't do you a lot of good. There are quite a few swingmen types who'll be available there which you have a bunch of and I'm not sold on Augustin. I like him but I just don't think his ceiling's that high. Of course I could be wrong.

    I'd look at dealing the pick to either get up to 6-8 or drop back to about 20. I happen to think CDR will be a very good NBA SG - maybe not an all-star every year but a 15-18 point guy who defends. He has to work on his shot but he can do that.

    Since 11 doesn't give you a long-term PG solution or a top C/PF, trade it and take a solid SG.

    And I HATE the Bulls getting the top pick. They were one of Isiah's regular trading partners - isn't that luck enough?

    And after Mayo, I don't get excited about the early picks. Unlike you, we could use a good swingman type. I'd be willing to make a Zach and the 6 for JO and the 11 pick if Mayo's off the board.

    Mayo's a bit of a gamble for us because of the recent issues that have popped up. But I don't consider taking some extra cash at 15-18 quite on the level with a lot of other problems. From a talent persepctive, if he's there at 6 we almost have to take him. I think it drops off quick after that.

    Don't like Lopez at 3 in Ford's draft. I'm not sold that he's anything special.
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    At least Chad's got Bill Walker in the first round. I can't believe how many have him projected into the 2nd. I watched mostly for Beas and Bill made an impression. He is clearly physical enough for the NBA and really KSt was all about just that pair of players, they rarely went without at least one on the court as the offensive focus.
    Walker's had two ACLs I think, I could be wrong.

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    I'm surprised that no one is talking about the availability of Henrick or Ben Gordan if the Bulls take Rose, which I think they should.

    Would you trade the #11 for either of them, if you thought Augustine was who you'd pick at 11. Wouldn't the Bulls do it??

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    I'm really pushing for the Pacers to make a trade with the Bulls. The one that I've come up that makes a lot of sense for both teams (provided they pick Rose, which is likely) is JO for Kirk Hinrich, Larry Hughes, and one of Tyrus Thomas or Thabo Sefolosha. Ike can be thrown in if necessary.

    For us, it would fill two holes in our starting lineup with Hinrich and Hughes. Sure Hughes sucks and takes too many jumpers, but his presence on defense would be valuable to us. If he's not producing for us or continues to be injury-plagued, he expires in 2010, the same year as JO so it wouldn't make much of a difference. Hinrich would finally give us a legit, defensive point guard that Jim has talked before. We wouldn't have to bother re-signing Flip either. Either of Thabo or Tyrus would give us a nice bench spark and youth to develop for our future. A corresponding lineup would be as follows:

    Hinrich/Diener
    Hughes/Thabo?/Rush?
    Granger/Dunleavy/Graham
    Murphy/Tyrus?
    Foster/Center pickup

    That leaves us one defensive liability in Murphy, which I can live with, especially if we have Tyrus coming off the bench. This trade, most importantly, enables us to bring Dunleavy off the bench for a nice scoring punch that could very well be a candidate for Sixth Man of the Year. It truly makes us a deeper team, all around.

    In Chicago's perspective, they need to fix their guard logjam if they select Rose. It makes perfect sense to pick up a JO since he finally would give them their post and shot-blocking presence (combined with Noah is nice defensively up front) that can hit the occasional mid-range jumper, which is very conducive to a Rose-run offense. More important, getting rid of Hinrich and Hughes would put them in position to re-sign Gordon and Deng. This would give them a lineup of:

    Rose/Duhon
    Gordon/Thabo?
    Deng/Nocioni
    JO/Tyrus?/Nocioni
    Noah/Gray

    Which is an immediate contender in the Eastern Conference with the likes of Boston and Detroit. The trade also gives them flexibility if JO doesn't pan out for them, since he expires in 2010 and would give them the extra cap room.

    Of course, this all hinges on Chicago picking Rose. If they pick Beasley, then you can throw this out the window.
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    And you keep your 11 pick, in that scenario. I'd agree the Bulls, other than being in the Central division, are a good match as a trading partner.

    I'll call it now though, I think Larry will pick at 11 and do nothing else of significance... but we have all summer to debate that.

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    I love me some Walker and Weaver late.

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    I'm still not convinced that Gordon won't drop to us.

    Also either nbadraft.net or draftexpress has us getting Walker in the second round. That would be a major coup.

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    I love me some Walker and Weaver late.
    I'd like to see them trade back in to get Weaver, he's maybe an answer as a defensive minded point guard.

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    Nope. But on a 'bang for the buck' basis, he's probably the Pacers
    second most attractive asset after Granger. He'd be a nice fit on
    a contending team as a veteran big who hustles and can play
    some at both PF and C.

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    Nope. But on a 'bang for the buck' basis, he's probably the Pacers
    second most attractive asset after Granger. He'd be a nice fit on
    a contending team as a veteran big who hustles and can play
    some at both PF and C.
    Yeah, I completely understand his value. I just wasn't sure if anyone had more than that. Thanks.
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    Hard to argue with his top 10. If that's the way it shakes out, Augustin makes sense at 11.

    But holy cow, look at the rest of the draft. CDR slips all the way to #29? Surely we could get a pick before that...
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    As others have said, I'm not a huge fan of Augustin, but at worst I see him as a solid change-of-pace backup. I don't want us to take a chance on a guy like Jordan and perhaps end up with another Harrison.

    Arthur, on the other hand, I don't think would be such a concern.
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    Default Re: Chad Ford's first mock draft: Pacers taking Augustin

    Ford mentions that Minnesota is interested in Galinari at #3. He notes that he's a high-IQ guy who can play point forward and initiate the offense. I wonder if Dunleavy + #11 might not be enough to move up to #3...

    The Bulls drafting Rose and a Hinrich + highly paid filler (Hughes, Nocioni) for JO trade was on my mind as soon as I stopped cursing about the Bulls being #1. Larry Hughes in O'Brien's offense would be an interesting nightmare. I wonder how long it would take him to get benched.
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    As others have said, I'm not a huge fan of Augustin, but at worst I see him as a solid change-of-pace backup. I don't want us to take a chance on a guy like Jordan and perhaps end up with another Harrison.

    Arthur, on the other hand, I don't think would be such a concern.
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    DJ Augustine does not fit into JOB system at all. He cannot shoot the ball from the outside worth a crap. He is small and will not be able to penetrate in the pros. He is not a great defender; Rose exposed him.

    I would rather draft Mario Chalmers at 11 than Augustine.

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    Ford mentions that Minnesota is interested in Galinari at #3. He notes that he's a high-IQ guy who can play point forward and initiate the offense. I wonder if Dunleavy + #11 might not be enough to move up to #3...

    The Bulls drafting Rose and a Hinrich + highly paid filler (Hughes, Nocioni) for JO trade was on my mind as soon as I stopped cursing about the Bulls being #1. Larry Hughes in O'Brien's offense would be an interesting nightmare. I wonder how long it would take him to get benched.
    Larry Hughes cannot be traded untill the deadline next year.

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    Larry Hughes cannot be traded untill the deadline next year.
    Why do you think that? I can find no trade restrictions on Larry Hughes.

    (JO, however, can't be traded until he waives his early termination option.)

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    Why do you think that? I can find no trade restrictions on Larry Hughes.

    (JO, however, can't be traded until he waives his early termination option.)
    Your correct, I tried to do a trade involving Hughes and one of the websites said a player had to be on a team for x amount of days before you could ship him out. He has passed the limit.

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    Larry Hughes cannot be traded untill the deadline next year.
    Thank God, I have no use for him.

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