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    Default Do you think the suns will do better without D'Antoni

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    Ive been thinking about this lately,how do you think the suns will do without D'Antoni?.I mean I cant really think of anyone on that team that would really thrive in an defensive-minded set.I guess you have Raja Bell and that Strawberry kid,but if you look at it noone on that team is a real defensive stopper unless they can sign Artest somehow.

    So my question to you is,would they be better without D'Antoni?,People may say that a team just needs to hear a new voice sometime (sounds familiar to a certain team close to our hearts).

    And some people may say it doesnt matter who they get in there,but they need to do something because D'Antoni's system clearly isnt doing the job.
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    Default Re: Do you think the suns will do better without D'Antoni

    I think it's clouded because of the age on Nash-Shaq, plus Marion gone. I've never bought into D'Antoni's system being the key. They stunk with just Amare-Marion despite the two of them putting up nice numbers. Suddenly D'Antoni's system takes off when Nash gets into town?

    I don't think he's a bad coach either, just that his players left him overrated. He shouldn't have been run out of PHX (which seems to be the case) either, he's neither the problem nor the cure.

    I do think he could guide other teams into the 45+ win range.

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    Default Re: Do you think the suns will do better without D'Antoni

    It depends on who they get to replace him.

    I think the Suns' window may be closed, and if not, it's closing very fast. I'd give it one more run with the current core and then tear it down.
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    Default Re: Do you think the suns will do better without D'Antoni

    It is probably time for a change there. Their biggest problem is the age of Shaq, Nash and Hill - and a very weak bench.

    But if I were a huge Suns fan, I would say a coahcing change will likely help - may not be absolutely needed, but better to be a year early then a year late

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    I think they'll fare worse next season because of their aging core and the physical toll D'Antoni's system has left on them. I wonder how Grant Hill played in that system at all sometimes with his paper ankle. If I were the Suns I would begin to rebuild now, but they'll probably have another go at it.
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    I wonder how the Suns feel right now about giving away all of those draft picks the last couple of seasons.
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    I wonder how the Suns feel right now about giving away all of those draft picks the last couple of seasons.
    I thought that was stupid when they did it. If they're going to be small minded about the draft, at least draft some guys and keep them in Europe so they're not on the payroll, who knows, they might turn out to be decent. I'd rather do that than flat out give away a pick that could possibly make another team stronger.
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    I don't know if they'll be better or worse, but I'll tell you one thing. The notion that Chicago is perfect for him is ludicrous. To go from Nash to Hinrich will kill him. Wilbon said something similar a little while back: "Chicago doesn't have a point guard."
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    Default Re: Do you think the suns will do better without D'Antoni

    Nope. This is very tough to gauge, as his successor will have a "different" team, even if it means they just got older/ wiser.

    Even though it was 4-1, that series was a few makes/ misses away from being a 7 gamer. I didn't see D'A make any really bad coaching decisions, though some of the Armchair Coach nominees can chime in.

    With a coaching change, I'd see 20% improvement, 30% about the same, 50% worse.

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    i don't blame d'antoni for the suns decline. i don't blame steve kerr either. i didn't necessarily think the shaq trade was going to work but i think it was a move kerr probably had to make so they could get something for marion (which ended up being dumping banks' contract). i completely and whole-heartedly blame the owner. selling and giving away all those cheap draft picks was insane at the time and even more so in hindsight. i

    so will they be better without d'antoni? i suppose it depends who they get to coach the team but i kind of doubt they'll get better. but with an aging nash and shaq, with a thin bench, i don't think d'antoni could do much more with this squad either. the team either has to blow it up and keep d'antoni or let d'antoni move on -- and it seems like kerr would prefer to do the latter.
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    Kerr decided D'Antoni's style wasn't going to cut it when he traded for Shaq. After that trade, there was no point to keeping the him.

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    It really depends on who they get as their next head coach assuming D'Antoni isn't retained. Teams tend to take on the style of their coach assuming the coach can get the players who fit his coaching style.

    The only problem with the Suns under D'Antoni was they didn't have enough defense to stop most teams. I suspect they didn't have much defense because D' believed he could counted most team's defense with the Sun's better offense. But as we've seen a high scoring offense works fine during the regular season, but not very well during the post-season. Had the Suns been able to keep Joe Johnson or Sawn Marion and acquired Shaq I think they would have gone farther in the post-season.

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    i don't blame steve kerr either. i don't blame steve kerr either.
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    I hope most people think Hinrich isn't a PG. I think if we could get him relatively cheap, it would work out well for us because I see him doing very well for O'Brien's offense.

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    Default Re: Do you think the suns will do better without D'Antoni

    Ok if you have not read Simmons article on the Suns then you should.

    They were so close to winning it all. They were one broken eye socket away from a dynasty.

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    I hope most people think Hinrich isn't a PG. I think if we could get him relatively cheap, it would work out well for us because I see him doing very well for O'Brien's offense.

    He's not a PG. If you think he is then I've got some ocean front property in AZ you might be interested in buying.

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    He's not a PG. If you think he is then I've got some ocean front property in AZ you might be interested in buying.
    Can't be less of one than Flip Murray. I'd care to say he's more of one than Flip. That's all this offense needs; it doesn't need a traditional PG. It needs someone who can shoot and play defense, and at least be average at dribbling/passing.

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    Can't be less of one than Flip Murray. I'd care to say he's more of one than Flip. That's all this offense needs; it doesn't need a traditional PG. It needs someone who can shoot and play defense, and at least be average at dribbling/passing.

    O.K, but don't expect him to be a team leader. He's better at being a PG.

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    Fine by me. I'd like Danny to be the leader anyway.

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    O.K, but don't expect him to be a team leader. He's better at being a quitter.
    Fixed. Guy's a bum. As low of an opinion as I have of Larry, I still don't see him wanting someone like that running his team.
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    Phoenix has a good team, they just need defensive players to hold down the D. And they're bench does suck
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    Fixed. Guy's a bum. As low of an opinion as I have of Larry, I still don't see him wanting someone like that running his team.
    Guy has one bad year while still being young and manning the hardest position in the league to learn, and all of a sudden he's a bum? You don't think it might have something to do with having the egos of Ty Thomas, Ben Gordon and either Ben Wallace or Larry Hughes on the team?

    I think he's a good PG in most systems, and I think he'd be a fantastic PG in O'Brien's system.

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    I love this, we could really low-ball Chicago for Hinrich, couldn't we?

    Would they do a Hinrich, Gooden and Sefalosha for Dunleavy, Marquis, Ike trade?
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    I love this, we could really low-ball Chicago for Hinrich, couldn't we?

    Would they do a Hinrich, Gooden and Sefalosha for Dunleavy, Marquis, Ike trade?
    My personal opinion is that if they traded Hinrich, D'Antoni would have a fit. Contrary to popular belief, D'Antoni's system doesn't need some transition wizard or anything. All he needs is 5 guys who can handle the ball, make the right pass, and, most importantly, are good shooters.

    O'Brien is basically trying to run D'Antoni's system, just at a slower pace with more defense.

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