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  • JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

    I am somewhat shocked that JMV beat Eddie and Kravitz. I figured the curiousity factor plus the established AM 1070 listeners would push Eddie and Bob ahead of JMV.

    Indianapolis cannot support three sports radio stations - maybe not even 2. Most cities have at least one all sports stations in the top 10 of the ratings.

    Looks like Greg Rakestraw better start looking for a new job. - His show and station didn't even get enough mentions to make the ratings list. ouch



    http://www.indy.com/posts/7856


    For those interested in the JMV vs. Kravitz & Eddie battle:

    Sports radio stations WNDE-AM (1260) and WFNI-AM (1070) shaped up as worthy rivals during their first ratings battle.

    According to winter Arbitron statistics released Monday, Emmis Communications property WFNI edged Clear Channel's WNDE among listeners ages 12 and older. WFNI attracted 2,300 listeners per average 15-minute segment, while WNDE attracted 2,000.

    WNDE can claim bragging rights in the afternoon, however, where its local host, John "JMV" Michael, posted bigger numbers than WFNI's team of Eddie White and Star columnist Bob Kravitz. Michael's show attracted 4,700 listeners per average 15-minute segment between 3 and 7 p.m. weekdays.

    WFNI attracted 3,700 during the same time period. The White and Kravitz show airs from 3 to 6 p.m., followed by a variety of programming.


    "We're incredibly enthusiastic about JMV's showing," said Buzz Casey, operations manager for Clear Channel in Indianapolis. Emmis vice president and general manager Tom Severino said he anticipates more dueling between the stations in coming months.

    "I think we've created a better sports market than existed prior to Jan. 7," said Severino, noting the day WFNI debuted.

    The AM dial's third sports station, WXLW-AM (950) failed to collect enough mentions in written Arbitron diaries to be listed in the winter ratings.

    David Lindquist on May 06, '08 at 12:49 PM




    WIBC surges in ratings; WFMS still No. 1
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    News and talk station WIBC gained listeners during its first three months at FM radio frequency 93.1, jumping from No. 5 to No. 2 in Arbitron ratings. Still, its success fell short of country station WFMS-FM (95.5) -- which topped quarterly rankings among Indianapolis stations for the 36th consecutive time.

    WIBC, owned by Emmis Communications, moved from AM to FM in December. Vice president and general manager Tom Severino said the station accomplished a goal of attracting younger listeners who spend little time tuned to the AM band.

    "We haven't been second in the market in the 14 years I've been here," he said.

    Cumulus Media, which owns top-ranked WFMS, didn't fare as well with its new station at FM frequency 93.9. The "Warm" format of soft rock placed 25th among 25 stations mentioned in written diaries kept by listeners ages 12 and older.

    The 93.9 number has been unlucky for country music (dumped in 2001), '80s nostalgia (dumped in 2004), Christian music (dumped in 2006) and conservative talk (dumped in 2007).

    In a battle between two sports radio stations, new Emmis property WFNI-AM (1070) placed 16th (in a tie with Spanish-language WEDJ-FM), while WNDE-AM (1260) -- Clear Channel's long-running sports entry -- filled the next slot at No. 18.

    The winter ratings period began Jan. 10 and ended April 2. The Indianapolis market population includes 1.35 million listeners.

    Arbitron figures, which are used to assign advertising rates, are determined by the number of people who tune in to a station during a week and the amount of time they spend listening.

    During the winter ratings period, WFMS reached 266,500 listeners a week. For an average 15-minute segment, 18,000 people tuned in.

    Most-listened-to stations
    Rankings based on written diaries of listeners 12 and older for winter 2008:

    WFMS-FM (95.5): 18,000 listeners per average 15-minute segment (13,200 in fall 2007).
    WIBC-FM (93.1): 11,300 (9,700).
    WFBQ-FM (94.7): 10,500 (11,000).
    WHHH-FM (96.3): 8,700 (12,800).
    WTLC-FM (106.7): 8,400 (9.300).
    WRZX-FM (103.3): 7,900 (6,500).
    WJJK-FM (104.5): 7,500 (5,700).
    WYXB-FM (105.7): 7,200 (9,800).
    WLHK-FM (97.1): 6,300 (5,300). 10 (tie). WNOU-FM (100.9): 6,200 (6,400). 10 (tie). WZPL-FM (99.5): 6,200 (6,300). Source: Arbitron.
    Last edited by Unclebuck; 05-06-2008, 03:52 PM.

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    Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

    I only listen to 1070 for my sports on radio.

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    • #3
      Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

      i listen to all 3...when one goes to commercial, i tune in to another...

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      • #4
        Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

        I live in Ft WAyne. They have Espn radio and it sucks. THat is why I got XM.

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        • #5
          Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

          Actually I prefer Greg Rakestraw's show. Unfortunately more times than not that's a certain kiss of death.

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            Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

            Im glad JMV won he is a much better radio host than Kravits or Eddie.

            I do listen to some 1070 due to the fact that Kravits does talk more pacers than JMV, but I think Eddie White is really obnoxious and annoying. They also suck at interviews.
            "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

            - ilive4sports

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              Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

              Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
              I think Eddie White is really obnoxious and annoying.

              More obnoxious and annoying than ? I didn't think that was possible.

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                Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

                I think they are both obnoxious and annoying. And banal. And attention-span-challenged.

                I also think 1070's signal strength might have something to do with it. My reception west of Indy stinks - it didn't used to back when I was growing up.
                BillS

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                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                  Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

                  Originally posted by BillS View Post
                  My reception west of Indy stinks - it didn't used to back when I was growing up.

                  Smoke signals don't travel like they used to.

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                    Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

                    I don't listen to the radio much. But if I did, Kravitz sure as hell wouldn't be playing on there.

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                      Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

                      I'm not sure I would want to listen to Kravitz's show anyway. He never has anything positive to say unless he was ever right about something in the first place.

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                        Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

                        Originally posted by grace View Post
                        More obnoxious and annoying than ? I didn't think that was possible.
                        Kravits is actually pretty tolerable, he doesen't come off like he does in his columns (as much). Eddie White is a moron.
                        "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

                        - ilive4sports

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                        • #13
                          Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

                          Eddie Whites noises are annoying, he comes across as "wacky FM DJ"

                          Personally I like Rakestraw, he seems like someone I could have a beer and watch a game with. It just seems that even when 950 was still ESPN their quality of guests was pretty low. I don't know who was responsible for that, but I got the feeling the station didnt do a lot to support the show.

                          I tend to listen to Eddie and Kravits because they seem to have a lot of interesting and relevant guests.

                          I do not like JMV, he really seems to be trying to be like Bruno or Rome and is just waiting for that bigger and better opportunity.
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                            Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

                            Originally posted by Shade View Post
                            I don't listen to the radio much. But if I did, Kravitz sure as hell wouldn't be playing on there.
                            Is it too soon to bring back QFT?
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                              Re: JMV beats Edddie and Kravitz - Indianapolis radio ratings

                              Originally posted by BillS View Post
                              I think they are both obnoxious and annoying. And banal. And attention-span-challenged.

                              I also think 1070's signal strength might have something to do with it. My reception west of Indy stinks - it didn't used to back when I was growing up.
                              Word of the day calendar?

                              I agree, 1070's reception sucks. I keep meaning to look into HD Radio, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

                              I'm very glad to see JMV beating Eddie and Kravitz. I'm 27, so JMV's humor and attitude is right in my wheelhouse, where as Eddie in particular comes off as a curmudgeon. I actually prefer Rakestraw to those guys, but he's got virtually no good interviews, so it's hard to listen to him because of that.

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