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    Deal #1: Tins to Houston for Bobby Jackson and the #25 pick. For us, we get a vet backup and an expiring deal plus a possible nice player at #25 (Weaver, CDR, DJ, etc). For them, they get a better starting PG and have Alston be their backup.

    Deal #2 (assuming Seattle doesn't get Rose or Bayless): Tins to Seattle for Earl Watson. For us we get a good defensive PG whose contract is a year shorter and maybe we can get their higher 2nd round pick also. For them, they get a better quality PG to facilitate their young stars.

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    Default Re: 2 Tinsley deals

    Remember, dealing Tins is easier said than done.

    These 2 things will always be a red light when looking at Tinsley:
    1. Injury-prone
    2. Trouble-prone

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    Default Re: 2 Tinsley deals

    I'm hoping someone will think the "change of scenery" effect will make them take a chance.


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    He's getting paid x amount of dollars to sit. I wish I could make money for doing nothing.

    You really think he wants to earn it the hard way?

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    We all do. But the bottom line is he is a ball player and ball players want to play. And I'm certain there is a GM out there that believes he can help their team and is willing to give up an older or redundant player for him.


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    I'm sure he wants to play, but this isn't make-your-own rules basketball or Rucker Park.

    I wouldn't bring certainty into this, but more or less hope that another team would want him.

    Here it is. I already gave you the two red lights of #11. One good thing is when he is healthy, he is decent. He can be a good contributor on the floor. The only thing is its really hard to "white-out" the other two problems.

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    Default Re: 2 Tinsley deals

    I LOVE Bobby Jackson. IDK why really, but I have always liked his game.

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    Well, we were able to trade Artest, whose value was arguably lower than Tins, which enabled us to eventually turn that into Dun/Murph/Ike and that didn't turn out too bad. Not great but not horrible either. I could live with that kind of trade in reference to Tins.

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    We all do. But the bottom line is he is a ball player and ball players want to play.
    I have totally bought into this line of thinking . . . until Tinsley.
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    Well, we were able to trade Artest, whose value was arguably lower than Tins, which enabled us to eventually turn that into Dun/Murph/Ike and that didn't turn out too bad. Not great but not horrible either. I could live with that kind of trade in reference to Tins.
    Sacramento had to unload Pedrag onto someone...

    I mean come on, that's why they did it. He was injury-prone and Peja would've givem them problems if they kept him and tried to re-sign him. They basically got Artest for free. Of course they were going to take him.

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    Sacramento had to unload Pedrag onto someone...

    I mean come on, that's why they did it. He was injury-prone and Peja would've givem them problems if they kept him and tried to re-sign him. They basically got Artest for free. Of course they were going to take him.
    Peja wasn't that bad. He missed 11 games games plus a few playoff games in the entire season (counting his time in SAC) the year he played for us, and besides one year where he missed 15 games he only missed about 20 games per year. I thought he was an absolute wuss when he played for us but he's proven to play 77 games this year and is averaging 16 ppg on a pretty stacked team. He has been injured but he is not injury prone on a JO or Tinsley level.

    If they didn't want Artest they would have not dumped Peja for him, Peja could have (and arguably was) been a valuable expiring deal as he got a LOT of money from the Hornets after he left Indy.

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    Deal #1: Tins to Houston for Bobby Jackson and the #25 pick. For us, we get a vet backup and an expiring deal plus a possible nice player at #25 (Weaver, CDR, DJ, etc). For them, they get a better starting PG and have Alston be their backup.

    Deal #2 (assuming Seattle doesn't get Rose or Bayless): Tins to Seattle for Earl Watson. For us we get a good defensive PG whose contract is a year shorter and maybe we can get their higher 2nd round pick also. For them, they get a better quality PG to facilitate their young stars.
    #1 - I hate Bobby Jackson's game. I do not want him on the Pacers. I pray every night that Tinsley never plays another game as a Pacer, but I'd prefer not to replace him with a guy who'll quickly be my new least favorite player on the team. I'd like to have the #25 pick though.

    #2 - There are only two reasons someone will trade for Tinsley: stupid or desperate. Seattle and Houston are neither of these.
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    Default Re: 2 Tinsley deals

    Screw the pick, I'd take Bobby Jackson for Tinsley straight up if the money works. I'm that hell-bent on getting rid of him.

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    Default Re: 2 Tinsley deals

    Man, how good would Peja be in Obie's system?

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    Man, how good would Peja be in Obie's system?
    Not any better than he is in New Orleans. Right now he's got Chris Paul to create shots for him, who'd do that here? I'd rather have Granger than Peja right now anyway.
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    Melli, Jackson wouldn't be someone I would expect to come in and fix our PG problem, but at least he has a shorter contract and rap sheet. And Houston may be a little more desperate after they get swept by Utah and they won't fix their PG problem with the #25 pick.

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    Melli, Jackson wouldn't be someone I would expect to come in and fix our PG problem, but at least he has a shorter contract and rap sheet. And Houston may be a little more desperate after they get swept by Utah and they won't fix their PG problem with the #25 pick.
    I'd actually take Jackson over Tinsley anyday. I just don't like Jackson. It's always seemed to me that his success comes at the expense of the other players on his team. He's fine as a scorer off the bench, but I wouldn't want to count on him for more than that.

    What I actually wonder more about is whether Tinsley is better than Rafer Alston. His highs are higher, but his lows are lower, and as we've all seen, the lows come much more often than the highs.
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