I don't really see anyone wanting Mike's contract even with the numbers he has put up this season. I say we keep him!
And I won't be here to see the day
It all dries up and blows away
I'd hang around just to see
But they never had much use for me
In Levelland. (James McMurtry)
We have all summer to talk about this, but I'm looking forward to this draft more than any I can remember.
I think the Pacers basically have 2 above average legitimate NBA starters in JO and Granger. Dunleavy on the right team. JO, whatever your take on him, is injury prone just by definition of the last 4 or 5 years. That leaves one legit starter and its at a position that you won't have an advantage at every night.
Internally you can look to guys getting better in Shawne and Ike, but I think you could see significant progress from Shawn if JO is moved and he bulks up, but Ike is in no mans land. The answer isn't solely there, obviously.
With all that said with a dominant point guard a lot of the peripherial pieces fit. Problem is Chris Paul isn't walking in that door any time soon with a Pacer uniform on.
This is going to be a very very interesting summer.
I'm not a negative poster and I loved the effort by these guys and most of them could be bench guys or niche guys on a good team.
All I'm saying is they aren't even close and it needs to be addressed that way.
I will take good effort losers over bad effort not as bad losers any day.
I would be very hesitant to trade Dunleavy - and I certainly would not trade him for anything less than a starter.
Granger and Dunleavy seem to get along just fine. I've seen Mike get frustrated with Danny at times this season for not passing the ball (but Danny has a little tunnel vision at times, but did improve later in the season)
Overall, I'm not sure Mike is too popular with his teammates. He gets frustrated quite often on the court and just seems like a quiet guy who isn't a barrel of laughs. Just seems as though he has a dour personality. And for that matter not sure Granger is a real popular guy with his teammates either.
Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-15-2008 at 09:57 AM.
Disclaimer: This is not aimed at Unclebuck - I'm only expanding on his quote.
Seeing how these are two of the hardest working and best players, I think we should be questioning the reasoning of "the teammates" instead of these two.
Can't fault either one for not being the types to hang out with some of the others at the strip clubs or carry around guns or drugs. My guess is they didn't frequent JO's club when it was open, either. That is not to give dis-service to JO's place, or compare it to a strip club. Its just that they don't seem to be club-hoppers.
The thing is, the Pacers are trying to bring back the fans and these two are two of the guys that can really help make that happen. They both seem to be upstanding people, don't bring legal problems with them, and represent the team well on the court and off. I'm not sure that trading either one of them would be in the best interest of the franchise from a basketball or PR aspect.
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They must be now!
WE REALLY NEED GUYS WHO CAN REBOUND! WE GOT KILLED ON THE GLASS ALL SEASON! IT IS DISSAPOINTING TO BE OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS BUT MAYBE WITH SOME OFFSEASON TUNING AND ADDITIONS WE CAN MAKE IT BACK NEXT SEASON. BYE BYE O'BRIEN!
You hit on a couple of interesting things. I agree with your sentiment about trading or not trading Dunleavy. He's our 2nd best player right now, and we can't really afford to give him away. If we're going to build around Dun and Granger, I really think we need to get a very good defensive PG to play alongside them. You need to have 2 good perimeter defenders. If we have a strong defensive PG, it makes it much easier for us to hide Dun a bit on defense. Also, I think that Dun initiates a lot of our offense, so a guy like Westbrook could play with these guys because he doesn't necessarily have to have the ball in his hands all the time.
As for Danny, I'm incredibly impressed. I never thought he'd be the type of scorer that he's become over the course of this season. To really take his game to the next level, however, he really needs to work on his passing. That's what puts guys like Iguodala ahead of him for the time being. Danny very rarely drives to create a shot for someone else, and he often winds up missing some difficult shots when the defense collapses. He has been better at this lately. I'd also like to see Danny learn how to do this when there is a post player in the game on offense, be it JO or someone else.
If Danny can become a 24 ppg, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk type of guy for next season, I think we'll have a legit. star to build around, even if he is a SF.
"A man with no belly has no appetite for life."
- Salman Rushdie
You think Danny would have tested his wings like this if the team was in tank mode? This recent offensive explosion was because the dude was trying to win. If we were in tank mode we wouldn't have realized that he could do that.
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I don't see the Frodo comparison. Maybe a skinner Sam, with the blonde look but not Frodo.