View Poll Results: Who will NOT be a Pacer at the beginning of the 2008-09 season?

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  • Marquis Daniels

    50 47.62%
  • Travis Diener

    2 1.90%
  • Ike Diogu

    41 39.05%
  • Mike Dunleavy

    2 1.90%
  • Jeff Foster

    7 6.67%
  • Stephen Graham

    44 41.90%
  • Danny Granger

    1 0.95%
  • David Harrison

    84 80.00%
  • Troy Murphy

    2 1.90%
  • Flip Murray

    41 39.05%
  • Jermaine O'Neal

    29 27.62%
  • Andre Owens

    64 60.95%
  • Kareem Rush

    51 48.57%
  • Jamaal Tinsley

    62 59.05%
  • Shawne Williams

    14 13.33%
  • Jim O'Brien

    0 0%
  • Larry Bird

    0 0%
  • Boomer

    2 1.90%
  • Bowser

    5 4.76%
  • Scuzzy Cotton-Candy Guy

    15 14.29%
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    Question Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    I'd have to think changes are going to be made in the offseason, starting with moving some players for more draft picks.

    Who do you think will NOT be a Pacer when next season starts?

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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    Realistically:

    Marquis Daniels has never produced up to expectations for this team, and he is now a lucrative expiring deal that I think Larry will deal instead of allow him to expire, in a manner he/DW did similar with Croshere.


    Diogu is young and I guess still has some potential in the eyes of some GM's, maybe? I would have to think his value has sunk, though. I think the Pacers will try to move him, either way, he isn't working out. He has a small contract so moving him isn't as hard as moving someone like JT.

    Hulk- They would be absolutely crazy to resign him.

    Flip Murray- I think will bolt to a contender. There were questions before he came here if he could even be a competitive player in the league, and I think he has proven that he can. I think he would be a great insurance policy for a team like the Suns. Yes, they have Barbosa who would start on most teams, but Nash ain't getting any younger and if he misses like 20 games next year, Barbosa/Murray wouldn't be half bad. I'd love to have that lineup all year for the Pacers....

    Kareem Rush- He was pretty good this year at a discount price, I think another team will offer him more money and he'll go somewhere else. I don't think the Pacers will pay up for him, even though he does fit our system. I believe he'll go somewhere else and be overpaid. His injury problems at the end of the year have made me a little worried. We have won some games this year without him in the lineup, I don't think he's a game breaker or necessary to retain.

    Not as realistic:

    Shawne Williams- I really wouldn't be surprised to see him dealt to show that this team is going to right ship in regards to the disciplinary issues. Plus, I think he's overrated.

    Tinsley and O'Neal: I think LB would love to deal them, it all really depends on if he can get a deal for them or not. If he is willing go along with rebuilding like he has said, yes, I think they will go. If he can't stomach getting 50 cents on the dollar for them, LB will wait it out.

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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    I said Quis, Ike, Hulk, Owens, and Tinsley.

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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    Even though the question was "who will NOT be a Pacer next season", after looking at the results and evaluating my decision making, I think one has to wonder if these results really reflect the answer to the question of who WE don't want to be Pacers next season as well as some combination of who we think won't be.

    Interesting question though, and difficult to answer, to say the least.
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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
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    I said Quis, Ike, Hulk, Owens, and Tinsley.
    I only voted for Quis and Hulk, but the other three you list were next in line. I think all of those players are now expendable, particularly if we draft Augustin or Westbrook.

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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

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    Even though the question was "who will NOT be a Pacer next season", after looking at the results and evaluating my decision making, I think one has to wonder if these results really reflect the answer to the question of who WE don't want to be Pacers next season...
    Exactly why I haven't voted yet.

    I'm having a difficult time sorting my preferences vs. what the team will be able to do, or want to do.

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    hoping granger won't be...

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    Exactly why I haven't voted yet.

    I'm having a difficult time sorting my preferences vs. what the team will be able to do, or want to do.


    I mean tom, I think this is one of those where that task is near impossible, if not impossible. We can easily rule out some of the "roster filler", per se, the Grahams and Owens and even get into some of the bigger bench contributors without contracts -- such as Kareem and Flip, two guys who might get better contracts elsewhere.

    I think it is difficult to say when it comes to more "precious" commodities - Jamaal Tinsley as a point guard for instance. We want to get rid of him, but he is a point guard, an endangered species here in the league. And even given that - who's to say that he will have any takers? Speaking of endangered species - I think David Harrison is hard to make an absolute call on either. He's 7' tall and not rail thin. Not a bunch of those guys around. So hard to say if he goes either.

    Then you consider JO - huge contract. How about Ike - he's still young but a lot of us think he doesn't "get it".

    And if we are able to trade some of these guys, what about "trade filler" - who do we lose in association with a big time name?

    And who do we lose simply as a cap casualty.

    These are thing that the front office will have to decide probably based on what other teams are willing to give up for what we have to give.
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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

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    hoping granger won't be...
    Why is that? Are you saying you're hoping he's one of the ones to go?

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    i'm hoping granger is one that won't be here...

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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    So are we re-signing Feisty?

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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    I voted for the Cotton-Candy guy. I absolutely hate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duke dynamite View Post
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    I voted for the Cotton-Candy guy. I absolutely hate him.
    Y'all need to give the "cotton Candy" formerly the "shaved ice... real snow" guy a break. He has cleaned himself up since his MSA days. You never know....the dude might be bumpin that job to support a family. The guy does have some serious dedication and tenure in his gig because I remember him from my very first trip to MSA in '93.

    As for the players, I figured Marquise, Rush, Owens, Hulk and Tinsley wouldn't return. I figured Ike doesn't fit here also, but for some reason, I don't see him getting dealt. I can honestly see Tinsley getting bought out of his contract just to put some distance between this team and the "Jail Pacers" P.R. nightmare.
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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    Whats with all the new admins running around? Are we that unruley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
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    Whats with all the new admins running around? Are we that unruley?
    If the shoe fits....
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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    I said: Ike, Hulk, Murray, Rush and Williams.

    Ike isn't working out, alas. Would have liked to see him play more and he did really well at the start of the season.

    Hulk... I'm not going into that. Let's just say that I would be PISSED if we DID give him a contract (yes, even a minimum contract).

    Murray. Like DC I think he will go to a much better positioned team to make the play-offs that needs a little backcourt help.

    Rush. I think he will ask for more then we are willing to give and more then he should be getting looking at the end of the season. Was GREAT in the middle of the season. Too bad we would lose him, I like him, but everything at a price.

    Shawne Williams. I would keep him afterall, though I have grown VERY impatient with his off the court crap/friends. I think he will be dealt though, possibly for a better or a second draft pick (late first round) or maybe be dealt together with say Quis for a decent player.

    Which leads me to my omissios, Marquis. I forgot his contract is an expiring one. I would think it's most likely he will be dealt at the trade deadline next winter. I would rather have him dealt at that time then this summer.
    Reasoning:
    1. I think there will be more suitors for nice expirings at that period (teams that miscalculatediin the summer and decide to go another direction or want to have the financial means to re-sign another player allready on their team).
    2. I would want to keep Shawne and I think the chances of us dealing him after the summer are less likely (provided he can keep his growth as a player going).

    Would LOVE to see us deal Jamaal, JO and Troy (even though I'm quite content with how Troy has played the last few months and even though I DO like JO), but I don't see that happenning.

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    i'm hoping granger is one that won't be here...
    Interesting. Why do you want Danny gone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by croz24 View Post
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    i'm hoping granger is one that won't be here...
    Yeah, I'm curious as well.

    Maybe this was just posted to start trouble...

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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

    Tinsley, Hulk, Are most likely gone
    R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

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    Default Re: Who will NOT be a Pacer next season?

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    I'd have to think changes are going to be made in the offseason, starting with moving some players for more draft picks.

    Who do you think will NOT be a Pacer when next season starts?
    Do you think from what we've shown here at the end of the season that we may not see as many changes during the offseason? Or do you think we'll march full steam ahead in breaking up the team?

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    For those you you who still don't believe I don't follow the Pacers anymore here's proof that I don't.

    Who the heck is Andre Owens?

    As for the vote I was just going to wave, but then I saw that Scuz was an option. All I can say is "PLEASE God, make it so!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybegood View Post
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    Do you think from what we've shown here at the end of the season that we may not see as many changes during the offseason? Or do you think we'll march full steam ahead in breaking up the team?
    I'm sure a couple of the "deep" bench players will be gone, just like every other year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duke dynamite View Post
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    I'm sure a couple of the "deep" bench players will be gone, just like every other year.
    Yeah, but I'm not really taking them into account. Most of the 1yr contract guys used to fill out the roster don't really matter all that much once you zero out the scale. I'm sure the player the Pacers would like to move most is Jamaal. But with YET ANOTHER INJURY, and his contract, I'm sure he will be here until the all-star break, unless they're willing to give him away for someone else's junk.

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    Yeah, if TPTB don't do something about Tins, they have a screw loose. I mean come on, this guy has like a month worth of decent games each season then gets hurt. Every year.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


    This case, Fool me 4 times, all is forgiven. You can sit on the bench and watch, its okay, Jamaal.

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    Go, Duke Dynamite! Couldn't agree more re wanting Tins traded. But, I'm just tired of the chronically 'injured' so for me, I'd like to see JO traded, too.

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