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  • #76
    Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

    He just finished his freshman year. Some of you need to get a grip and realize that not everyone is going to me Carmelo Anthony their first season in college. Eric Gordon is a franchise type player that you can get in the draft, he's a guy that's more than worth taking a chance on if he somehow falls to us or even if we could trade up 2-3 spots to get him. I think some of you guys are just bitter IU fans and are holding it against him that A. He struggled in the first round in your team's loss. B. He's leaving after only one season. What did you expect? Did you really think EJ was going to stay more than one year when he's pretty much guaranteed to be at worst a Top 10 pick?

    Worst case scenario, he's Ben Gordon. I don't know about you, but even Ben Gordon, would be a huuuuuuge upgrade to the current state of the backcourt. Bird wanted Ben Gordon in the draft he was in, and I guarantee he'd probably take the superior EJ if he was available.

    Monta Ellis, Dwyane Wade, AI, etc. have all made it work being a little shorter. They all are lightning quick and have the athleticism to make up for it. I'm pretty sure EJ does too except he's a lot stronger than all of them.

    Face it, this team could use a franchise player again, and a risk on EJ is a risk worth taking.

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    • #77
      Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

      Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
      what? You would rather have augestin or collison? Even westbrook... Gordon is just a taller, stronger, better shooting version of westbrook.
      Are you kidding me? Westbrook has a 1.74/1 assist to turnover ratio. Gordon had a 0.68/1 assist to turnover ratio. Where do you get better shooting from? The only place Gordon shot better was from the FT line percentage wise. And you didn't even begin to take into account that Westbrook's worlds better on the defensive end.

      Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
      BTW. He IS taller than Rose. Ive seen the picture. Rose was not slouching.
      I don't care, that's like comparing apples to oranges. Rose is, plays like and will be a POINT GUARD. Gordon is not, won't be and doesn't seem capable of playing point guard. So, in the end if Rose is 6'2 ... or 6'3 it's excusable. However, as a SG it's not, so that comparison means nothing, really. I didn't follow the debate, so maybe it wasn't a comparison ... and just your way of trying to prove Gordon's height, if so ... disregard what I said, because I think everyone should know that.

      However, I do agree. If he's there past pick 10, and we're picking ... he will be in a Pacers uniform. I will hope for the best, but I'm not overly optimistic about the kid. To be honest, I would rather have Westbrook.

      -- Steve --
      Last edited by Pacersfan46; 04-06-2008, 02:21 PM.

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      • #78
        Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

        Westbrook has to be on the list where the Pacers are picking, probably 11.
        I would love to get two players in the first round. A center and a guard.
        Thabeet and Westbrook would be great. Love is going to be long gone for the Pacers at 11.
        So if they want Love they will have to trade up which is very costly.
        The Pacers are desperate for defense so Thabeet and Westbrook both fit the bill
        plus Westbrook is a better player offensively then some people think.
        I will cringe if the Pacers take Gordon.

        CDR from Memphis would also be someone to look hard at.
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        • #79
          Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

          Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
          And...fixed.

          Seriously, if you can remember one that's worse please let me know.
          I nominate Stephon Marbury and Jamal Crawford.

          Honorable mention for Nate Robinson and Jamal Crawford.

          At least while being coached by Isiah - I still have hopes for them if they get a real coach.
          The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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          • #80
            Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

            Originally posted by Pacersfan46 View Post
            I don't care, that's like comparing apples to oranges. Rose is, plays like and will be a POINT GUARD. Gordon is not, won't be and doesn't seem capable of playing point guard. So, in the end if Rose is 6'2 ... or 6'3 it's excusable. However, as a SG it's not, so that comparison means nothing, really.
            Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson would like to have a word with you.

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            • #81
              Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

              Originally posted by Shade View Post
              Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson would like to have a word with you.
              Yes, there are exceptions to every rule in the world, congratulations. However no, Gordon is not one of them. I'm sorry.

              I know you've got a man crush on him, but for every 6'2 or 6'3 SG in the NBA that succeeds, there are hundreds that do nothing but sit on the bench, or don't even make the NBA at all.

              To further this point, the 2 players you mentioned ... both have averaged in their career well over 6 assists per game, while their turnover totals per game are under 4. That's a 1.5/1 assist to turnover ratio, at worst. These guys HAVE POINT GUARD SKILLS. What's Gordon's assist to turnover? 0.68/1? Are you kidding me? However, instead of making this point comparing college to NBA numbers, despite the NBA being tougher competition and STILL coming up with better totals ... we'll compare apples to apples. Okay?

              Both Wade, and Iverson in their Freshman years of college, had a 1+/1 assist to turnover ratio. Gordon doesn't even come close.

              So yes, those guys are short, and play shooting guard, but they have point guard skills to boot. Gordon on the other hand ....... and that doesn't even mention you picked two of the most explosive players the league has has had in the last 20 years. When Gordon has Iverson's or Wade's explosion, and speed ... let me know.

              **EDIT** and for Iverson, even in his prime they hid him quite a bit on the defensive end by using Eric Snow to guard the SG's because he was more capable than Iverson was.

              -- Steve --
              Last edited by Pacersfan46; 04-06-2008, 05:57 PM.

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              • #82
                Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                I think we're all being a bit harsh on EJ. He is a very raw young man at this point and who knows how it will turn out. I don't know of any teenager who doesn't have flaws and need improvement in their game. He could be a Wade type player or could end up a Wagner type of player. Whoever drafts him needs to understand he is not gonna understand the NBA game and lifestyle for at least a few years. The Pacers need a guy that can contribute right away and a big could fill that need nicely if Thabeet is still there.

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                • #83
                  Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                  Originally posted by Pacersfan46 View Post
                  Yes, there are exceptions to every rule in the world, congratulations. However no, Gordon is not one of them. I'm sorry.

                  I know you've got a man crush on him, but for every 6'2 or 6'3 SG in the NBA that succeeds, there are hundreds that do nothing but sit on the bench, or don't even make the NBA at all.

                  To further this point, the 2 players you mentioned ... both have averaged in their career well over 6 assists per game, while their turnover totals per game are under 4. That's a 1.5/1 assist to turnover ratio, at worst. These guys HAVE POINT GUARD SKILLS. What's Gordon's assist to turnover? 0.68/1? Are you kidding me? However, instead of making this point comparing college to NBA numbers, despite the NBA being tougher competition and STILL coming up with better totals ... we'll compare apples to apples. Okay?

                  Both Wade, and Iverson in their Freshman years of college, had a 1+/1 assist to turnover ratio. Gordon doesn't even come close.

                  So yes, those guys are short, and play shooting guard, but they have point guard skills to boot. Gordon on the other hand ....... and that doesn't even mention you picked two of the most explosive players the league has has had in the last 20 years. When Gordon has Iverson's or Wade's explosion, and speed ... let me know.

                  **EDIT** and for Iverson, even in his prime they hid him quite a bit on the defensive end by using Eric Snow to guard the SG's because he was more capable than Iverson was.

                  -- Steve --
                  gordon is 6'4. just sayin

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                  • #84
                    Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                    Originally posted by mrknowname View Post
                    gordon is 6'4. just sayin
                    That's still up for debate. Which is part of the point.

                    We'll see when teams measure him themselves, what comes of it.

                    -- Steve --

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                    • #85
                      Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                      Originally posted by Pacersfan46 View Post
                      That's still up for debate. Which is part of the point.

                      We'll see when teams measure him themselves, what comes of it.

                      -- Steve --
                      well Rose was measured at 6'3 and half in shoes and gordon is atleas an inch and half taller than him

                      and i don't know why everybody gets so caught up in these numbers. if he can ball then he can ball and gordon can ball. just wait until he gets more space to do his thing in the nba

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                      • #86
                        Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                        Originally posted by mrknowname View Post
                        well Rose was measured at 6'3 and half in shoes and gordon is atleas an inch and half taller than him

                        and i don't know why everybody gets so caught up in these numbers. if he can ball then he can ball and gordon can ball. just wait until he gets more space to do his thing in the nba
                        6'3 and a half plus 1.5 inches, equals 6 foot 5. Before you said he was 6'4 ... now he's 6'5?

                        I doubt either one is true. Either way, people get "caught up" because it does matter. You can tell it matters by the results. Name a list of All Star quality SG's without point guard skills under 6'4 .... I would be interested in seeing it myself.

                        -- Steve --

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                        • #87
                          Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                          Originally posted by mrknowname View Post
                          well Rose was measured at 6'3 and half in shoes and gordon is atleas an inch and half taller than him

                          and i don't know why everybody gets so caught up in these numbers. if he can ball then he can ball and gordon can ball. just wait until he gets more space to do his thing in the nba
                          and to re-state a point that's been made several times, 6'3 is just fine if you're a point guard...Rose is a point guard. Gordon is not a point guard. 6'3-6'4 when you're trying to play shooting guard has proven problematic for the vast majority of the tweeners in the NBA.

                          Gordon, right now, isn't quick enough to guard the majority of the current PG's and he won't ever be tall or long enough to guard many of the better SG's in the league...I think it's fair to say the "better" PGs and SGs because people are talking about him being a superstar, and superstars should be able to match up on both ends with the best players in the league. I don't know many All Star level players that I see Gordon having a prayer against...which would defeat the purpose of using a lottery pick on him.
                          Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team. -- Scottie Pippen

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                          • #88
                            Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                            Iverson ran the point at GTown.
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                            • #89
                              Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                              Originally posted by Pacersfan46 View Post
                              6'3 and a half plus 1.5 inches, equals 6 foot 5. Before you said he was 6'4 ... now he's 6'5?

                              I doubt either one is true. Either way, people get "caught up" because it does matter. You can tell it matters by the results. Name a list of All Star quality SG's without point guard skills under 6'4 .... I would be interested in seeing it myself.

                              -- Steve --
                              i never specified that the 6'4 was in shoes or not, iirc his dad said he was 6'4 in socks so he probably is 6'5 in shoes

                              i'm not sure why u keep saying he's under 6'4.

                              Originally posted by jcouts View Post
                              and to re-state a point that's been made several times, 6'3 is just fine if you're a point guard...Rose is a point guard. Gordon is not a point guard. 6'3-6'4 when you're trying to play shooting guard has proven problematic for the vast majority of the tweeners in the NBA.

                              Gordon, right now, isn't quick enough to guard the majority of the current PG's and he won't ever be tall or long enough to guard many of the better SG's in the league...I think it's fair to say the "better" PGs and SGs because people are talking about him being a superstar, and superstars should be able to match up on both ends with the best players in the league. I don't know many All Star level players that I see Gordon having a prayer against...which would defeat the purpose of using a lottery pick on him.
                              like i said gordon is closer to 6'5 in shoes than the 6'3 you guys keep coming up with

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                              • #90
                                Re: Report: Gordon to bolt Indiana after one season

                                I'm a solid 6'2 in shoes and I've seem EJ on campus inbetween classes several times and I can tell you he is at least 2 inches taller than I.
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