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  • Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

    Walsh to be introduced as Knicks new GM on Wed... Sorry I don't have a link.. Just saw it scroll at the bottom of ESPN Breaking News bar..

    Way to lie AGAIN, Donnie!! Say your not gonna make a decision till end of season.. Make the decision, deny it, then come out with you actually making the decision.. I for one am not too happy with his actions..

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    Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

    Originally posted by Ownagedood View Post
    Walsh to be introduced as Knicks new GM on Wed... Sorry I don't have a link.. Just saw it scroll at the bottom of ESPN Breaking News bar..

    Way to lie AGAIN, Donnie!! Say your not gonna make a decision till end of season.. Make the decision, deny it, then come out with you actually making the decision.. I for one am not too happy with his actions..
    He actually said HOPEFULLY until the end. There's really no reason for him to wait until then. He's been good to us. Farewell and good luck Donnie! Much love to you for all your hard work!

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      Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

      he'll be announced tomorrow morning.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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        Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

        I wonder if he'll keep Isaiah. That's what Steven A. Smith was saying. I don't know if that's a good idea. Doubt if Isaiah can get those players back.

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          Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

          Originally posted by johnnybegood View Post
          I wonder if he'll keep Isaiah. That's what Steven A. Smith was saying. I don't know if that's a good idea. Doubt if Isaiah can get those players back.
          Lets hope he does, He let Isiah pick fred jones... We could probably get that fat marbury expiring contract and david lee out of JO. We all know how much zeke loves JO. Id rather have their lottery pick, but I know Donnie is not that stupid.
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            Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

            Screw Donnie, he may have built up th Pacers, but he also led the downfall. I owe him nothing and just don't care.
            No matter how much success Larry Bird attains in Indiana he'll never top that first command to fire Thomas. -Peter Vecsey. NY Post 12/4/07

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              Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

              Really immaterial to me when he leaves since he's going to leave.

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                Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

                now that hes out of the way, its time to start fresh.
                If you havin' depth problems, I feel bad for you son; I got 99 problems but a bench ain't one! - Hicks
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                  Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

                  -Miss each other? No, thank you. I not gonna miss each other.

                  -Yeah, I'm going to cry myself to sleep every night while I'm out partying.







                  Sorry about the lame SuperBad reference.

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                    Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

                    http://www.nypost.com/seven/04022008...cks_104565.htm

                    WALSH HIRED TO RUN KNICKS

                    GARDEN ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY


                    By MARC BERMAN


                    April 2, 2008 -- MILWAUKEE - Donnie Walsh is coming home.


                    The Knicks will announce the hiring of the esteemed Pacers executive as their new president today at a Garden news conference at 1 p.m., according to a team source.


                    The hiring of Walsh, the 67-year-old Bronx-born executive, spells the end of the disastrous four-year Isiah Thomas Era. Thomas will not be at the press conference. With the Knicks playing in Memphis tonight, Thomas will still coach the game and is expected to finish out the season on the bench.


                    Thomas is expected to be removed from the bench at season's end, though he could be retained in a front-office capacity and help out with this June's vital lottery pick that could turn the direction of the franchise. However, Thomas has lost the power he had wielded for four years during a nightmare run. Last week, Thomas became the second-quickest Knicks coach to reach 100 losses.


                    Walsh, who along with owner James Dolan could join the Knicks tonight in Memphis, also is expected to hire a GM and Billy King has been mentioned prominently as a top candidate. Glen Grunwald currently holds that role.


                    Walsh was not in Indianapolis yesterday, but was said to be at a speaking engagement out of town, initiating speculation he could be in New York. Walsh had been negotiating with the Knicks for the past week.


                    Following last night's overtime 119-115 loss to the Bucks, Thomas, when asked generically about his stint, said he had no regrets and added, "I feel we still have a bright future."


                    The Knicks had hoped to make the announcement at season's end, but speculation about his situation became too severe. But it also makes sense to make the announcement now and put Walsh into the middle of the mess to observe the decay of a 20-54 season.


                    Walsh, out of Fordham prep and the University of North Carolina, spent 24 years with the Pacers but stepped down nine days ago, saying he had been there too long. It was also believed it had become an awkward situation between Walsh and Larry Bird.


                    Commissioner David Stern helped encourage Dolan to pursue Walsh and admitted last week he calls him for basketball advice.


                    Mark Jackson could be considered the top candidate to become the Knicks coach because of his strong ties with Walsh. Scott Skiles and Rick Carlisle are the two most successful unemployed coaches and Knicks assistant Herb Williams, a Dolan and Walsh favorite, could get an interview.


                    Walsh has a huge task and will be given full control of the operation with Dolan expected to take a step back. Walsh is extremely media friendly while Dolan has had a strict media policy.


                    His philosophy will likely be to break it down and try to get under the salary cap after the 2010 season when LeBron James becomes a free agent. The only way the Knicks can get under the cap is to trade Zach Randolph and either Jamal Crawford or Eddy Curry.


                    The Bucks also are in search of a GM and interviewed Suns executive David Griffin Monday. Milwaukee fans are hoping the Knicks-Walsh thing falls through because the rumor here is Walsh, friends with Kohl, would then join the Bucks and reunite with Larry Brown.


                    In Walsh's 22 years overseeing the franchise as GM, the Pacers made the playoffs 17 times, with six Eastern final berths and one Finals appearance.
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                    Nevermind.

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                      Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

                      I'd tell him .. " Don't let the door hit ya .... where the good Lord split ya " ...
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                        Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

                        I find it funny that everyone wanted either Donnie or Larry to leave, but I guess to be unemployed, too.

                        Anyway, I would recommend not skipping the article and reading it thoroughly. Lots of interesting tidbits.
                        Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                          Great article. Glad I went back to read it on KegBoy's advice. I hope he can change my knicks around. It would be nice to be under the salary cap cause no one on that team deserves half of what they are making. The only worthy piece on that team is David Lee and that is not saying too much.

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                            Re: Walsh introduced as Knick Wed.

                            And so NOW Stern will start making it up personally to Walsh for all the evil he put on the Pacers the past decade or so. Only it will benefit the Knicks....and Stern will smile again. BTW...since DW's contract runs thru the end of the season, I'm calling out Stern for interfering with a DW's relationship with the Pacers. Not the Knicks, the COMMISIONER...sticking his nose into team affairs...again.


                            MEH...I wish him well. He was a good and faithful "fan" of the Pacers for a very long time. However, if he indeed is joining the Knicks I don't think the Simons owe him a Bentley or anything along that line.
                            Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                              I just hope Walsh doesn't trick Bird into a bad trade or really a trade period unless its the Knicks pick involved.

                              Maybe reuniting JO with Zeke is in order for cap relief and a pick? Nah, Donnie would never do it.

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