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    Diamond Dave got me to thinking. What players would you trade artest for

    I want names. Assume salaries don't matter, assume we know all there is to know about Ron


    here is my list. Of who I would trade Ron. There a few no brainers

    1) Duncan
    2) Garnett
    3) Kobe
    4) McGrady
    5) Shaq - even though he is getting older
    6) Kidd -

    I call those the no-brainers. The next group is where it gets interesting

    Pierce - no
    Dirk - No
    Nash - no
    Baron Davis - no
    Lebron James - maybe he deserves to be in the no-brainer group - yes
    Iverson - no
    Mello - no
    Wade - maybe
    Manu - no
    Ben Wallace - no
    Rip Hamilton - no
    Marbury - no way
    Yao - maybe
    Francis - no
    Stoudamire - no
    Ray Allen - no
    Redd - no

    I know I am forgetting a lot of players. but I count 7 yes and 2 maybe. That is how valuable I think Artest is

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    Diamond Dave got me to thinking. What players would you trade artest for

    I want names. Assume salaries don't matter, assume we know all there is to know about Ron


    here is my list. Of who I would trade Ron. There a few no brainers

    1) Duncan
    2) Garnett
    3) Kobe
    4) McGrady
    5) Shaq - even though he is getting older
    6) Kidd -

    I call those the no-brainers. The next group is where it gets interesting

    Pierce - no
    Dirk - No
    Nash - no
    Baron Davis - no
    Lebron James - maybe he deserves to be in the no-brainer group - yes
    Iverson - no
    Mello - no
    Wade - maybe
    Manu - no
    Ben Wallace - no
    Rip Hamilton - no
    Marbury - no way
    Yao - maybe
    Francis - no
    Stoudamire - no
    Ray Allen - no
    Redd - no

    I know I am forgetting a lot of players. but I count 7 yes and 2 maybe. That is how valuable I think Artest is

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    I basically agree with your list. I'd put Pierce on the Maybe list and if something were added to Allen I'd look at that.

    I would like to add that if it looked like McGrady were going to be traded (and I think it does) the Pacers should make a serious run at him especially if it looked like he was going to an EC team.

    Outside of that possiblity I would say that trading Al for a 2 who would undoubtable (not Leonard) start over Reggie would be the best choice. (Q Richardson would be my first choice because it would give me a reason to watch Clipper games again.)
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    T mac, Kobe, KG, Duncan, Lebron, Yao, I guess you gotta throw Shaq in there also, thats it.
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    I hit the button before I made my comment...sorry....

    Ben Wallace -yes
    Baron Davis -yes
    Carmelo -yes
    Rip -yes

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    Although T-Mac intrigues me, I think a package of Ron + Austin could bring back a great player or perhaps even better: two very, very, very good players, so that could be an effective way to re-balance the Pacers roster. Could Ron + Austin net Dampier + Jason Richardson? (UB, would that cause you to consider suicide?)

    Since we all agree Austin is overpaid, pairing him with a relative 'bargain' like Ron makes him easier to move.

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    All of your no brainers, except Jason Kidd. Would not trade Artest for Kidd, however I would trade Artest for the following:

    Michael Redd
    Lebron
    Wade
    Darko.......just kidding
    Hamilton
    Yao

    and probably a few others but I gotta go. Work is over
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    I didn't think Ron was a shoe-in for a top 10 player. He is only an all NBA third team (top 15) player. But after you reading this post, there are only 7 no brainers. Maybe if we could fill 2 positions with his loss, that would be ideal.

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    Duncan only!
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    Default Re: What player in return would it take for you to trade Ron Artest

    It's interesting, even fun, to play "what ifs".

    But the problem that I had with the other threads where folks say something like, "Hell yes. I'd trade Ron for T-Mac" for example, is that it is NOT possible to make the trade.

    Ron is a young player, on his second contract and is far from having a max salary. And just about any player that you really might want to trade Ron for is making substantially more per year than Ron is.

    At the other end of the spectrum you have players on their rookie contracts, for example Yao, who looks so promising to his own team that they would never be willing to trade him. Not even for Ron Artest.

    So I basically see suggestions like let's trade Ron for T-Mac and I just start laughing. Folks, it isn't going to happen!!! By the time Larry and Donnie would get done throwing in the other players, their response would be something like, "Geez, we really don't want to trade Ron straight up, now we got to throw in all these other guys, too?".

    Buck, I know your thread is merely hypothetical, just to see what kind of value most of our members put on Ron. I just have a hard time even considering a straight up $6M Ron for $14M T-Mac trade when I know that it would involve signficantly more impact on our team than what is on the surface.

    And that is something that many of the others don't seem to be grasping in the other threads.

    Bottom line is, there probably isn't a player with a comparable salary that I would trade Ron straight up for. He's about as good as you can get for SF at his price.

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    It's interesting, even fun, to play "what ifs".

    But the problem that I had with the other threads where folks say something like, "Hell yes. I'd trade Ron for T-Mac" for example, is that it is NOT possible to make the trade.

    Ron is a young player, on his second contract and is far from having a max salary. And just about any player that you really might want to trade Ron for is making substantially more per year than Ron is.

    At the other end of the spectrum you have players on their rookie contracts, for example Yao, who looks so promising to his own team that they would never be willing to trade him. Not even for Ron Artest.

    So I basically see suggestions like let's trade Ron for T-Mac and I just start laughing. Folks, it isn't going to happen!!! By the time Larry and Donnie would get done throwing in the other players, their response would be something like, "Geez, we really don't want to trade Ron straight up, now we got to throw in all these other guys, too?".

    Buck, I know your thread is merely hypothetical, just to see what kind of value most of our members put on Ron. I just have a hard time even considering a straight up $6M Ron for $14M T-Mac trade when I know that it would involve signficantly more impact on our team than what is on the surface.

    And that is something that many of the others don't seem to be grasping in the other threads.

    Bottom line is, there probably isn't a player with a comparable salary that I would trade Ron straight up for. He's about as good as you can get for SF at his price.
    I don't think anyone in the Pacers organization would have a problem with throwing in Croshere to make the salaries match. Now, you can say Orlando wouldn't want him, which is probably true. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't make the trade.

    [edit] Of course, I forgot Ron's BYC, which F's everything up. Still, we could just throw in Pollard too, and if Orlando has to throw some junk in, so be it. I still don't see the Pacers having a problem with that. Orlando might, be we don't care what they think.
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    Kegboy -

    I suppose that is true. And, I'll admit that you never know what a GM will do when forced into a corner. After all, look at our trade last summer.

    I would respond with what I would do. But that would get us off-topic from Buck's intentions. I just couldn't sacrifice Ron.

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    Bolded are the players I deem wantable () for Ron Artest:

    1. Tracy McGrady (Orlando Magic)
    2. Predrag Stojakovic (Sacramento Kings)
    2. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves)
    4. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)
    5. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
    6. Baron Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
    7. Vince Carter (Toronto Raptors)
    8. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
    9. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
    10. Michael Redd (Milwaukee Bucks)
    11. Shaquille O'Neal (Los Angeles Lakers)
    12. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets)
    13. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
    14. Corey Maggette (Los Angeles Clippers)
    15. Stephon Marbury (New York Knicks)
    16. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
    16. Zach Randolph (Portland Trail Blazers)
    18. Sam Cassell (Minnesota Timberwolves)
    19. Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns)
    20. Jason Richardson (Golden State Warriors)
    21. Michael Finley (Dallas Mavericks)
    22. Richard Jefferson (New Jersey Nets)
    23. Mike Bibby (Sacramento Kings)
    24. Ron Artest (Indiana Pacers)
    25. Stephen Jackson (Atlanta Hawks)
    26. Rashard Lewis (Seattle SuperSonics)
    27. Pau Gasol (Memphis Grizzlies)
    28. Richard Hamilton (Detroit Pistons)
    29. Yao Ming (Houston Rockets)
    30. Eddie Jones (Miami Heat)
    30. Jamal Crawford (Chicago Bulls)
    32. Lamar Odom (Miami Heat)
    33. Juwan Howard (Orlando Magic)
    34. Chauncey Billups (Detroit Pistons)
    35. Jason Terry (Atlanta Hawks)
    35. Latrell Sprewell (Minnesota Timberwolves)
    37. Joe Johnson (Phoenix Suns)
    38. Steve Francis (Houston Rockets)
    39. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
    40. Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Portland Trail Blazers)
    41. Keith Van Horn (Milwaukee Bucks)
    42. Cuttino Mobley (Houston Rockets)
    43. Carlos Boozer (Cleveland Cavaliers)
    44. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
    45. Andre Miller (Denver Nuggets)
    45. Antawn Jamison (Dallas Mavericks)
    47. Donyell Marshall (Toronto Raptors)
    47. Eddy Curry (Chicago Bulls)
    47. Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs)
    50. Gary Payton (Los Angeles Lakers)

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    Shoot, I'd trade Ron for a 140-hour TiVo, but I don't think anybody would recognize my authority to do it....... :P
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    Shoot, I'd trade Ron for a 140-hour TiVo, but I don't think anybody would recognize my authority to do it....... :P
    I love Ron, but I'd probably trade him a 140 hour TiVo too!!
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    Shoot, I'd trade Ron for a 140-hour TiVo, but I don't think anybody would recognize my authority to do it....... :P
    Talk to Jamaal and Freddy... they know a guy who can work you a deal on a Tivo at Best Buy!

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    Rons base year is not a factor. That expired at the end of the season. I would trade him for T-Mac or Duncan but other than that I would rather keep him. If it fills a need then I could see it. But to trade him for a pg or a pf would be worthless in my mind as we already have those.

    Now him and Cro for T-Mac you would simply have to do. If it meant we kept both Al and Bender.

    Now if we could send Cro Ron and Pollard for T-Mac and Howard. Then send Bender and Al for a good center then that would be all the better and a must do.

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    Bottom line is, there probably isn't a player with a comparable salary that I would trade Ron straight up for. He's about as good as you can get for SF at his price.


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    using MSA2CF's list... Bolded are the players i would trade for ron artest (no trade restrictions taken into consideration) and italicized are ones that I might take...

    1. Tracy McGrady (Orlando Magic)
    2. Predrag Stojakovic (Sacramento Kings)
    2. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves)
    4. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)
    5. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
    6. Baron Davis (New Orleans Hornets)
    7. Vince Carter (Toronto Raptors)
    8. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
    9. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
    10. Michael Redd (Milwaukee Bucks)
    11. Shaquille O'Neal (Los Angeles Lakers)
    12. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets)
    13. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
    14. Corey Maggette (Los Angeles Clippers)
    15. Stephon Marbury (New York Knicks)
    16. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)
    16. Zach Randolph (Portland Trail Blazers)
    18. Sam Cassell (Minnesota Timberwolves)
    19. Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns)
    20. Jason Richardson (Golden State Warriors)
    21. Michael Finley (Dallas Mavericks)
    22. Richard Jefferson (New Jersey Nets)
    23. Mike Bibby (Sacramento Kings)
    24. Ron Artest (Indiana Pacers)
    25. Stephen Jackson (Atlanta Hawks)
    26. Rashard Lewis (Seattle SuperSonics)
    27. Pau Gasol (Memphis Grizzlies)
    28. Richard Hamilton (Detroit Pistons)
    29. Yao Ming (Houston Rockets)
    30. Eddie Jones (Miami Heat)
    30. Jamal Crawford (Chicago Bulls)
    32. Lamar Odom (Miami Heat)
    33. Juwan Howard (Orlando Magic)
    34. Chauncey Billups (Detroit Pistons)
    35. Jason Terry (Atlanta Hawks)
    35. Latrell Sprewell (Minnesota Timberwolves)
    37. Joe Johnson (Phoenix Suns)
    38. Steve Francis (Houston Rockets)
    39. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
    40. Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Portland Trail Blazers)
    41. Keith Van Horn (Milwaukee Bucks)
    42. Cuttino Mobley (Houston Rockets)
    43. Carlos Boozer (Cleveland Cavaliers)
    44. Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cleveland Cavaliers)
    45. Andre Miller (Denver Nuggets)
    45. Antawn Jamison (Dallas Mavericks)
    47. Donyell Marshall (Toronto Raptors)
    47. Eddy Curry (Chicago Bulls)
    47. Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs)
    50. Gary Payton (Los Angeles Lakers)

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    39. Andrei Kirilenko (Utah Jazz)
    Yeah, I was debating whether or not I would take Andrei, but I figured the move would be pretty unwelcome by a lot of Pacers fans, so I refrained.

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    38. Steve Francis (Houston Rockets)

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    I would if we got Francis. He is everything that is wrong with the NBA. He is a scorer who cant shoot and a point guard who never passes I cant imagine anyone thinking that would be a good deal. Even if Ron acted like he did last year and I was certain that he would never get better I would still not want Francis.

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    Rons base year is not a factor. That expired at the end of the season. I would trade him for T-Mac or Duncan but other than that I would rather keep him. If it fills a need then I could see it. But to trade him for a pg or a pf would be worthless in my mind as we already have those.

    Now him and Cro for T-Mac you would simply have to do. If it meant we kept both Al and Bender.

    Now if we could send Cro Ron and Pollard for T-Mac and Howard. Then send Bender and Al for a good center then that would be all the better and a must do.
    But isn't he BYC-2 now, IOW, his salary counts as 75% instead of 50?
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    Rons base year is not a factor. That expired at the end of the season. I would trade him for T-Mac or Duncan but other than that I would rather keep him. If it fills a need then I could see it. But to trade him for a pg or a pf would be worthless in my mind as we already have those.

    Now him and Cro for T-Mac you would simply have to do. If it meant we kept both Al and Bender.

    Now if we could send Cro Ron and Pollard for T-Mac and Howard. Then send Bender and Al for a good center then that would be all the better and a must do.
    But isn't he BYC-2 now, IOW, his salary counts as 75% instead of 50?

    I have never heard of BYC-2. Is this for real. The CBA is really weird so I wouldn't put it past them but I've never heard of this. Can someone help?

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    As for a makebelieve straight up deal as UB proposes, I agree 100% with his list, very little add-ons there.

    As for "you can not play makebelieve":

    Yes you can, it's fun

    But more importantly, let's face a simple scenario, which has a high likelyhood of ocurring:

    T-Mac decides he wants out: there are 3 teams he seemingly has listed as being interested in when a trade is discussed:
    SanAn, Detoirt and (drumroll) Pacers.

    His discussion with the brass:

    I want out, I will give you a choice, A you trade me to either of those teams, providing my final ok, OR, I opt out, declare myself a free agent and sign to the highest bidder for whatever period i see fit.

    Now when traded i will agree with the team I am traded to, providing it is one of my selection, that I will (if offered a decent extension or new contract in 2 years) re-sign with them after that period.

    It is up to you to make it work.


    Next phase: who can offer what.

    THAT is where the tradevalue of T-Mac is decided, not what the real value is, just as with Ron, real value does not come in to account at any given moment.

    The real trade value DOES come into play with Al, if shopped. unless again, a trade alike the T-Mac in above example comes around.
    That value can f.i. be enlarged by taking not only a great talent with less pay, but absorbing a "bad contract" to fill in the value, see my J-Rich idea.

    The above scenario, which I'm sure is VERY close to what actually might happen, is one that plays this year with several "top" players (Kobe, Allen, T-Mac) and all we can do is speculate, hope, pray and wait.

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