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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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  • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

    Anyone see the news article about the guy who posted on Facebook that he killed a wife and uploaded a picture? WTF is up with Florida?

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    • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

      Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
      How was the other half?
      The wife had it for lunch at work and brought it home. She was not impressed either.

      Geez, we are moving to Houston this month and are going to buy a house in a year. How much should we bank before we start looking?

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      • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

        FHA requires 3.5% down....but you will get hit with hefty Monthly PMI and then an upfront PMI too.
        some lenders have 5 or 10% down programs but you generally have to pay the monthly MI to boot....but not the upfront fee.
        20% down (of the appraised value of the home) is the standard that keeps you away from the whole MI/PMI mess. Keep in mind too that the FHA recently changed their rule...once you have the PMI on your loan, it never goes away. You used to be able to get away from that once you hit 22% of the value, no more.
        I know of a local lender who is offering 3% down with NO UPFRONT OR MONTHLY PMI....so if they can do that here I'd think they could do that elsewhere (Credit score must be 650 or above)

        Closing costs rule of thumb is another 3% of gross sales price.....unless you negotiate the seller paying your closing costs.

        I don't know what your local customs are but here you can figure they will require you to escrow 6 mos to a year of homeowner insurance and 6 months of property tax.

        Again, locally (not sure what local custom is, I'll ask a friend who is in Houston (you may remember him TripleThreat)....many times I have negotiated a home under $150K...very closely to full price offer but the SELLER pays all of the buyer's closing costs and pre-paid items.


        There are two schools of thought 1) Put as much down as possible to keep your head above water if the market turns sour again. or 2) Keep your money in your pocket as long as rates are low because cash is king.

        It comes down to individual circumstance and job security.

        Let me know how I can help.
        Last edited by indygeezer; 08-09-2013, 04:20 PM.
        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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        • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

          Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
          FHA requires 3.5% down....but you will get hit with hefty Monthly PMI and then an upfront PMI too.
          some lenders have 5 or 10% down programs but you generally have to pay the monthly MI to boot....but not the upfront fee.
          20% down (of the appraised value of the home) is the standard that keeps you away from the whole MI/PMI mess. Keep in mind too that the FHA recently changed their rule...once you have the PMI on your loan, it never goes away. You used to be able to get away from that once you hit 22% of the value, no more.
          I know of a local lender who is offering 3% down with NO UPFRONT OR MONTHLY PMI....so if they can do that here I'd think they could do that elsewhere (Credit score must be 650 or above)

          Closing costs rule of thumb is another 3% of gross sales price.....unless you negotiate the seller paying your closing costs.

          I don't know what your local customs are but here you can figure they will require you to escrow 6 mos to a year of homeowner insurance and 6 months of property tax.

          Again, locally (not sure what local custom is, I'll ask a friend who is in Houston (you may remember him TripleThreat)....many times I have negotiated a home under $150K...very closely to full price offer but the SELLER pays all of the buyer's closing costs and pre-paid items.


          There are two schools of thought 1) Put as much down as possible to keep your head above water if the market turns sour again. or 2) Keep your money in your pocket as long as rates are low because cash is king.

          It comes down to individual circumstance and job security.

          Let me know how I can help.
          Thanks I'll make note of all of that. Maybe we can talk to him about good places to live. I'm going to be working on the southeast side and my wife will be working from home. I really don't want to drive across town to work everyday.

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          • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

            I sent T3 a message to that effect. Perhaps I can get you two in contact with each other. PM any info you'd like to share.
            Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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            • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

              Ok, sausage patties and Long's Bakery Donuts may not have been the best choice for breakfast. But the wife and daughter are out of town for the weekend.
              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                Sycamore Ken....check your PM's
                Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                  From the department of.....Never say "never again"

                  That new rose arbor my sisters and I got our mother for her 90th bday......I had to use a clamshell posthole digger today to sink that damn thing 12" into the ground. I will never again say...."never again".

                  one tree root the size of the grip on a baseball bat and another root the size of the business end of a baseball bat.
                  Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                  • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

                    So, you want to be a realtor?
                    Yesterday I had a 10:00 AM appointment to show homes to a couple who are willing to pay cash for a home up to $325,000. We were set to look at 4 homes when at 9:55 I rec'd a text asking if I could postpone until 11:00 as they were in a school meeting for their daughter. Ok, so I called our central showing service and asked them to call teh homeowners and get permission to resechedule beginning at 11:00.
                    10:55...another text asking me to again reschedule to 1:00 as they are still stuck in this school meeting (???)
                    12:55....again same excuse asking me to reschedule to 3:00
                    finally at 3:05 I called and they apologized that they weren't going to be able to make it and could we reschedule to today and they'd give me the whole day. So, I called and again rescheduled the appointments (these must be some really patient sellers) but in order to do so I had to cancel my participation in a charity golf event. Even though I could have played I wouldn't have been able to stay for the full festivities as we will start seeing houses at 4:00 and the way I play there would be no certainty of my being finished playing at that time.

                    But when you have a potential cash buyer you stay with them....even to the point of babysitting their kids if needed. j/k.............................kinda
                    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                    • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

                      To the motorcyclist on I-465 this morning. Yes, that was me flipping you off. Next time I won't move over I'll just let you drive right up into my trunk.

                      We used to call idiots like you "organ donors"
                      Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                      • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

                        I'm starting to get the itch to go climb a tree.
                        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                        • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts



                          What.

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                            what does my family do on the computer that they always manage to **** it up? this is why i dont share.

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                              I ahte when my wife has to do school work or send a message with a large attachment. Something is going to get *. And I'm the first one she yells for.....only to have any suggestion I make shot down as unworkable.

                              Ack....just leave me to my iPad please.
                              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                              • Re: Random, Scattered Disturbed Thoughts

                                Originally posted by immortality View Post


                                What.
                                That has to do with how the kids are tested today. They just do not have to be able to do the computations, but also know how they could get that answer. That was a dumb way to explain the process though. Actually, the whole thing has to do with making sure we keep test creators and consultants in business. Economic development at its finest.

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