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    Donnie Walsh likely to spurn Jim Dolan, Knicks and stay with Pacers
    BY FRANK ISOLA
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    Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 4:00 AM

    James Dolan better have a Plan B.

    Indiana Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh, who met with Dolan less than two weeks ago about replacing Knicks president Isiah Thomas, is leaning toward remaining with the Pacers, according to a team source. Walsh had an eight-hour meeting on Friday with the Pacers' co-owners, Herbert and Melvin Simon, and could have a deal announced by the end of the week.

    The only sticking point concerns the future of Pacers president Larry Bird, who will have to hand control of the day-to-day operations back to Walsh. The Simon brothers are not sure whether to keep Bird in a different role or just sever ties with the Indiana legend. There are whispers that Bird's younger brother, who holds the title of premium services manager with the Pacers, already has resigned.

    "Barring something crazy happening, Donnie is staying," the source said. "The players all got a sense on Friday that Donnie would be around."

    Walsh was unavailable for comment yesterday. The Bronx native, who built the Pacers into a contender throughout the '90s, has established roots in the Hoosier State and was committed to returning the franchise to prominence. The Pacers have been one of the NBA's worst teams on and off the court over the last four years, starting with the melee in the stands with fans in Auburn Hills, Mich.

    Where Dolan, the Garden chairman, turns now is anyone's guess. The Daily News reported last month that the Knicks had engaged in preliminary talks with Nets assistant GM Kiki Vandeweghe. Both sides denied talking.

    With Walsh apparently out of the picture, former Lakers GM Jerry West could be in the Knicks' plans. Former Phoenix owner Jerry Colangelo wants the job, while former Knicks president Ernie Grunfeld, now with Washington, also could emerge as a candidate.

    Nuggets VP of basketball operations Mark Warkentien and former Sixers GM Billy King could enter the picture. Also, former Knick players-turned-TV analysts Greg Anthony and Mark Jackson also would be under consideration.

    The news of Walsh's probable return came on a night when Thomas and the Knicks turned 50 ... as in losses. The Knicks lost, 114-93, to the Timberwolves in Minneapolis Saturday night to fall to 19-50, including 11 losses in their last 12 games.

    In two years, Thomas has 99 losses and is one loss away from becoming the second-fastest coach in franchise history to post 100. Eddie Donovan ranks first with 194. "Sometimes you stay in the business long enough, you're going to have a really bad year," Thomas said before last night's game. "Look at Doc (Rivers) and Nate McMillan last year. They had some pretty tough years and they persevered and they got through it. That's what I intend to do."

    The Knicks had just 10 players in uniform, including Zach Randolph, who was held out for the second straight game as the Knicks focused on improving their draft position. Nate Robinson was sidelined with a sprained right knee and Quentin Richardson did not travel for personal reasons.

    For the second straight game, the Knicks gave up 69 first-half points and were playing from behind. Ryan Gomes led the T-Wolves with 26 points and Malik Rose led the Knicks with 20.

    Thomas continues to drop hints that he will return next season even though Dolan's actions indicate that he wants to make a change at the top. As it turns out, Walsh gave Thomas his first head coaching job and in three seasons with the Pacers, Thomas went 131-115 and reached the playoffs all three years. But with the Knicks, Thomas has a losing record as team president and his record as head coach is even worse. Last night, he did not seem thrilled as reporters peppered him with questions about losing 50 games.

    "I've won a lot," Thomas said. "If you add up my ... if you want to just take two years, that's fine. But if you add up the body of work, I've definitely won more than I've lost. You have your share of losses. I've been fortunate enough to win a couple of championships along the way and the price you pay sometimes is you have some tough years."

    Thomas won two titles as a Hall of Fame point guard for the Pistons but his post-playing career has been defined by losing. Thomas has a losing record as an executive with Toronto and New York and his career coaching record is 31 games under .500.

    The Knicks have lost 50 or more games for the second time in three years and for the third time this decade. Prior to the 2001-02 season, the Knicks hadn't lost as many as 50 games since 1986-87.
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    To bring Walsh to Knicks, Dolan must give Indy exec total control

    Sunday, March 23rd 2008, 4:00 AM

    The consensus in the Indiana Pacers' draft war room in late June 2002 was to take Tayshaun Prince, the long-armed Kentucky star who was expected to be available when the Pacers were making the 14th pick.

    The team's scouts were in agreement that Prince, a 6-9 shot-blocking talent with an emerging long-distance game, would be the perfect addition to a team that needed to make defensive strides, coming off its 42-40 season and first-round ouster by the Nets in the playoffs.

    Prince was the unanimous choice - until the team's top basketball executive, Donnie Walsh, announced that he was allowing his head coach, Isiah Thomas, to take control of the draft. Weeks earlier, Thomas had settled on Oregon guard Fred Jones after watching him in the pre-draft camp in Chicago. When it came time to make the pick, Walsh stunned his subordinates when he said, "I'll let the coach make the decision."

    Wrong move, as it turned out.

    Now with the Knicks, his third team, Jones has been a solid backup as pro. But Prince, taken nine picks later by Indiana's archrival, Detroit, has been a key member of the Pistons' starting lineup for five years, with three straight selections to the NBA's All-Defense second team. Worse still for Pacer fans, his signature play as a pro came at the expense of Indiana. Who can ever forget Prince racing the length of the floor during the 2004 Eastern Conference finals to block what looked to be an uncontested layup by Reggie Miller?

    A person who was in that Pacer war room six years ago recently recounted the story and made a prediction.

    "If Donnie ends up running the Knicks, he's going to go back to the way he used to do it," he said. "Instead of letting other people decide who to take, he'll make the call. He's sat back the last few years and let other people make the decisions, and there have been too many mistakes. In New York, Donnie is going to surround himself with the right people. He's learned from his mistakes. And the biggest thing is, he will be in charge and do it his way."

    As long as Garden chairman James Dolan allows Walsh that freedom, the Knicks have a chance to start traveling the long road back. But if Dolan says he will continue to be involved (read: meddle), or insists that Walsh conform to the Garden's way of doing business, Walsh likely will not be coming to New York.

    "There has to be an agreement reached with Dolan on what Donnie would be allowed to do, otherwise he's not going," said a person close to Walsh. "Because Donnie will say to Dolan, 'Let me run this my way and you take care of what you need to do, but you can't be constantly breathing down my neck.'"

    Walsh got very good results doing it his way for the better part of 22 years running the Pacers, which is why he would be a good choice to succeed Thomas. He's not Jerry West and we've got him ranked after Jerry Colangelo, but he could turn into a tremendous hire if Dolan changes his M.O. and stays out of the way. Although Walsh never has been voted Executive of the Year, he built a team that advanced to five conference finals in an 11-year span (1994-2004) and went to one Finals (2000). Before that run, the Pacers never had won a first-round series in their NBA history.

    But some of Walsh's recent moves - and ones made by current team president Larry Bird, with Walsh's approval - have backfired with major consequences. Those blunders have led to two straight lottery seasons, a series of embarrassing incidents involving players with guns, and a steep decline in attendance.

    One rival executive summed up off-court incidents involving Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels, David Harrison, Shawne Williams and Stephen Jackson, when he was a Pacer, and said, "The Pacers are just like the old 'Jail-Blazers,'" referring to Portland's renowned band of troublemakers.

    "Like every other basketball executive - even Jerry West - Donnie's made good decisions and he's made bad decisions," said a long-time Western Conference executive. "The last five, six years have not been good for Donnie. But the key is how they've worked out, collectively."

    There are Pacers officials who now say that Walsh's hiring of Rick Carlisle as coach was a mistake, because he was a bad fit with players. Still, high-maintenance players such as Ron Artest and Jackson helped take the team to the conference finals in 2004. But Artest and Jackson also were central figures in the riot at The Palace of Auburn Hills, the low point of Walsh's career as an NBA executive. Since then, and even with Artest and Jackson being traded, the situation has worsened to the point where the team's long-time owners, Mel and Herb Simon, have for the first time started to meddle with the basketball operation.

    "It's like a (George) Steinbrenner situation," said one long-time team official. "There's been more shouting than at any other time, especially now that you've got one of Simon's kids involved. Things have never been this way around here. But this is our own fault, because we have not made good decisions."

    Drafting Tinsley was one poor decision. When Walsh made Jermaine O'Neal a maximum-salary player, that was another. The Bucks, who have discussed Walsh as a potential candidate to run their team, have looked at the O'Neal contract as a reason to put Walsh low on their wish list. Walsh has been criticized for overpaying for other talent, including Jalen Rose and Jonathan Bender. Allowing Brad Miller to leave as a free agent in 2003 is considered, by other GMs, a mistake.

    The Artest-Jackson era turned out to be a major distraction, with Walsh having to spend much of his time putting out fires. Hiring Thomas to coach didn't work out, as Thomas failed to take the team beyond the first round in three tries. Walsh's grooming of Bird for the top job has been a failure, with the Simons considering firing the Indiana legend and keeping Walsh, whom they consider family, on board.

    So it's been a rough stretch, no doubt. But if New York gets the Donnie Walsh who took the Pacers to their greatest heights, and he's given total control, there's every reason to believe the Knicks will be back in business.

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    In my opinion thats good news if true!

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    Sunday, March 23, 2008
    By Mitch Lawrence

    The consensus in the Indiana Pacers' draft war room in late June 2002 was to take Tayshaun Prince, the long-armed Kentucky star who was expected to be available when the Pacers were making the 14th pick.

    The team's scouts were in agreement that Prince, a 6-9 shot-blocking talent with an emerging long-distance game, would be the perfect addition to a team that needed to make defensive strides, coming off its 42-40 season and first-round ouster by the Nets in the playoffs.

    Prince was the unanimous choice - until the team's top basketball executive, Donnie Walsh, announced that he was allowing his head coach, Isiah Thomas, to take control of the draft. Weeks earlier, Thomas had settled on Oregon guard Fred Jones after watching him in the pre-draft camp in Chicago. When it came time to make the pick, Walsh stunned his subordinates when he said, "I'll let the coach make the decision."

    Wrong move, as it turned out.

    Now with the Knicks, his third team, Jones has been a solid backup as pro. But Prince, taken nine picks later by Indiana's archrival, Detroit, has been a key member of the Pistons' starting lineup for five years, with three straight selections to the NBA's All-Defense second team. Worse still for Pacer fans, his signature play as a pro came at the expense of Indiana. Who can ever forget Prince racing the length of the floor during the 2004 Eastern Conference finals to block what looked to be an uncontested layup by Reggie Miller?

    A person who was in that Pacer war room six years ago recently recounted the story and made a prediction.

    "If Donnie ends up running the Knicks, he's going to go back to the way he used to do it," he said. "Instead of letting other people decide who to take, he'll make the call. He's sat back the last few years and let other people make the decisions, and there have been too many mistakes. In New York, Donnie is going to surround himself with the right people. He's learned from his mistakes. And the biggest thing is, he will be in charge and do it his way."

    As long as Garden chairman James Dolan allows Walsh that freedom, the Knicks have a chance to start traveling the long road back. But if Dolan says he will continue to be involved (read: meddle), or insists that Walsh conform to the Garden's way of doing business, Walsh likely will not be coming to New York.

    "There has to be an agreement reached with Dolan on what Donnie would be allowed to do, otherwise he's not going," said a person close to Walsh. "Because Donnie will say to Dolan, 'Let me run this my way and you take care of what you need to do, but you can't be constantly breathing down my neck.'"

    Walsh got very good results doing it his way for the better part of 22 years running the Pacers, which is why he would be a good choice to succeed Thomas. He's not Jerry West and we've got him ranked after Jerry Colangelo, but he could turn into a tremendous hire if Dolan changes his M.O. and stays out of the way. Although Walsh never has been voted Executive of the Year, he built a team that advanced to five conference finals in an 11-year span (1994-2004) and went to one Finals (2000). Before that run, the Pacers never had won a first-round series in their NBA history.

    But some of Walsh's recent moves - and ones made by current team president Larry Bird, with Walsh's approval - have backfired with major consequences. Those blunders have led to two straight lottery seasons, a series of embarrassing incidents involving players with guns, and a steep decline in attendance.

    One rival executive summed up off-court incidents involving Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels, David Harrison, Shawne Williams and Stephen Jackson, when he was a Pacer, and said, "The Pacers are just like the old 'Jail-Blazers,'" referring to Portland's renowned band of troublemakers.

    "Like every other basketball executive - even Jerry West - Donnie's made good decisions and he's made bad decisions," said a long-time Western Conference executive. "The last five, six years have not been good for Donnie. But the key is how they've worked out, collectively."

    There are Pacers officials who now say that Walsh's hiring of Rick Carlisle as coach was a mistake, because he was a bad fit with players. Still, high-maintenance players such as Ron Artest and Jackson helped take the team to the conference finals in 2004. But Artest and Jackson also were central figures in the riot at The Palace of Auburn Hills, the low point of Walsh's career as an NBA executive. Since then, and even with Artest and Jackson being traded, the situation has worsened to the point where the team's long-time owners, Mel and Herb Simon, have for the first time started to meddle with the basketball operation.

    "It's like a (George) Steinbrenner situation," said one long-time team official. "There's been more shouting than at any other time, especially now that you've got one of Simon's kids involved. Things have never been this way around here. But this is our own fault, because we have not made good decisions."

    Drafting Tinsley was one poor decision. When Walsh made Jermaine O'Neal a maximum-salary player, that was another. The Bucks, who have discussed Walsh as a potential candidate to run their team, have looked at the O'Neal contract as a reason to put Walsh low on their wish list. Walsh has been criticized for overpaying for other talent, including Jalen Rose and Jonathan Bender. Allowing Brad Miller to leave as a free agent in 2003 is considered, by other GMs, a mistake.

    The Artest-Jackson era turned out to be a major distraction, with Walsh having to spend much of his time putting out fires. Hiring Thomas to coach didn't work out, as Thomas failed to take the team beyond the first round in three tries. Walsh's grooming of Bird for the top job has been a failure, with the Simons considering firing the Indiana legend and keeping Walsh, whom they consider family, on board.

    So it's been a rough stretch, no doubt. But if New York gets the Donnie Walsh who took the Pacers to their greatest heights, and he's given total control, there's every reason to believe the Knicks will be back in business.
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    One side note on the Prince story. For how great our scouts were, Larry got rid of all of them.
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    It's not nice to post things about the Fred Jones / Tayshaun Prince story.

    It makes me want to cry...

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    Sorry Jose, didn't see this. I know it's Easter morning and all, but why isn't anyone commenting on this?
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    Also, this is in the sidebar of Mitch's article:

    Rick Carlisle's chummy relationship with Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf apparently has put him at the top of the list of candidates to succeed interim coach Jim Boylan. But if Nets exec Kiki Vandeweghe crosses the Hudson to take over the Knicks, he has Carlisle at the top of his list of coaching prospects.Rick Carlisle's chummy relationship with Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf apparently has put him at the top of the list of candidates to succeed interim coach Jim Boylan. But if Nets exec Kiki Vandeweghe crosses the Hudson to take over the Knicks, he has Carlisle at the top of his list of coaching prospects.
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    I'm surprised. I thought he was out for sure.

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    Also, this is in the sidebar of Mitch's article:
    That's a really interesting sidebar. I think Rick would do well in Chi-town. That's a really interesting sidebar. I think Rick would do well in Chi-town.

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    I thought DW was basically gone. I'm glad to hear that it looks like he may come back.

    If he wants/wanted total control of the Knicks as a condition of him joining that club, logic would tell me he wants total control of the Pacers or he won't come back?

    I am praying that that is the case.

    The team's scouts were in agreement that Prince, a 6-9 shot-blocking talent with an emerging long-distance game, would be the perfect addition to a team that needed to make defensive strides, coming off its 42-40 season and first-round ouster by the Nets in the playoffs.

    Prince was the unanimous choice - until the team's top basketball executive, Donnie Walsh, announced that he was allowing his head coach, Isiah Thomas, to take control of the draft. Weeks earlier, Thomas had settled on Oregon guard Fred Jones after watching him in the pre-draft camp in Chicago. When it came time to make the pick, Walsh stunned his subordinates when he said, "I'll let the coach make the decision."
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    We had Artest and Harrington at the time. Why would we have went with another SF?

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    That's a really interesting sidebar. I think Rick would do well in Chi-town. That's a really interesting sidebar. I think Rick would do well in Chi-town.



    the really sad thing is i was planning on offering a similar response. thats not good for either one of us...
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    carlisle will be coaching either chicago or milwaukee next. there is a little known NBA bylaw that prevents him from coaching outside of the central.
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    We had Artest and Harrington at the time. Why would we have went with another SF?
    I think they say dont draft for need but for talent.
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    I think they say dont draft for need but for talent.

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    We should probably merge these threads.

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    I'll bring the chainsaw.

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    carlisle will be coaching either chicago or milwaukee next. there is a little known NBA bylaw that prevents him from coaching outside of the central.
    I think that the Bucks would be a great team for Carlise to coach.

    You have Bogut, Yi, Reed, Mo Williams and even guys like Charlie V and Bobby Simmions can score.

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