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    This is all we are left with today.

    Ira Winderman I find is one of the best NBA Writers around


    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/b...la-sports-heat


    Ira Winderman




    Pacers will have to make changes
    Published June 6, 2004


    The team that seemingly had all the answers when it came to facing the Heat in the second round of the playoffs exited the conference finals with nothing but questions.

    Too tall to tame for the Heat, Indiana now is talking about the need for additional height after coming up short against the Pistons. Too deep for Stan Van Gundy's rotation to match, the Pacers are weighing the merits of dealing forward Al Harrington, the runner-up for this year's Sixth Man Award.

    "I don't think this team will be back in its exact form next year," coach Rick Carlisle said in his season-ending comments. "There will be some changes, either through free agency, the draft or the possibility of trades. There's going to be some things that are going to be different, without question."

    Because of roster redundancy -- when factoring in Ron Artest, Jonathan Bender and even former University of Miami forward James Jones -- Harrington sets up as the odd man out.

    "This is an unbalanced roster," Carlisle said, left with a dilemma that mirrors the Heat's perimeter conundrums with Dwyane Wade, Lamar Odom, Eddie Jones, Caron Butler and Rasual Butler. "There are a glut of guys at the small forward spot and there haven't been enough minutes."

    Over the years, the Pacers have recognized the dangers of keeping starting-quality talent on the bench. It is among the reasons Antonio Davis was shipped to Toronto for the draft rights to Bender.

    "If there is the opportunity for him to be a starter here, that would be great," Carlisle said of Harrington. "And if there isn't, then it may be time for him to move on to another team."

    Such a move might not be nearly as costly as the dealing of Davis to the Raptors a year before the Pacers made it to the 2000 Finals.

    Harrington entered this postseason with a career 2.6 playoff scoring average on .196 shooting.

    While the numbers were up to 9.5 points on .429 shooting this year, big-game issues remain.

    With center Jeff Foster fading in the postseason (after a requisite big game against the Heat), another big body could have been crucial against the Pistons. The Pacers had such a presence in center Brad Miller -- until loyalty got in the way last summer.

    Instead, the Pacers opted to re-sign Reggie Miller and dump Brad Miller in a trade with Sacramento to avoid the luxury tax. What the Pacers were left with was a 38-year-old non-shooter caught in a lopsided mismatch with Pistons guard Richard Hamilton. In four of the six games in the Eastern Conference finals, Miller scored six or fewer points (after, of course, a requisite big game against the Heat a round earlier).

    Miller has not announced his intentions for next season.

    "After he makes that decision, then I can talk about it a little bit," said Carlisle, whose glut at small forward could then be alleviated with the shift of Artest to shooting guard. "If he returns for an 18th year, my feeling would be he'd probably be a starter next year."

    With a little less Reggie, a little more Scot Pollard in the middle and something substantial in return for Harrington, the Pacers should have the continued look of a contender.

    This time, though, sentiment can't get in the way.

    NO DESK JOB

    Lakers coach Phil Jackson said he could not envision the type of full-time move into the front office that Pat Riley made this season with the Heat. "I never have had that yen to be a maneuverer behind the scenes, manipulator of players, builder of franchises, so to speak," he said, with retirement a possibility after the Finals. ...

    When Commissioner David Stern offers his state-of-the-NBA comments during the Finals, there likely will be additional discussion about getting Michael Jordan back into the league in an ownership role. Question: Why? Why would any franchise want to install in its front office the man who traded Hamilton to Detroit for Jerry Stackhouse, drafted Kwame Brown over Pau Gasol and hired Leonard Hamilton as coach? Even more appalling than having a Michael Jordan jersey hung at the top of your arena would be seeing him in the executive suite. ...

    Pistons coach Larry Brown has fired an early salvo regarding the curious way Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant have gotten into foul trouble this postseason, but have a grand total of only one disqualification (by O'Neal) in 17 games. "If four is the limit of fouls for them, I hope four is the limit of fouls for us, too," Brown said.

    THE WADE WAY

    Like the Heat's Wade, UConn guard Ben Gordon appreciates that his NBA chances revolve around versatility.

    "In college, I was asked to score a lot. And when I was asked to play point guard, I excelled," he said after a tryout with the Cavaliers. "My situation has been compared to Dwyane Wade. We both can play two positions, but I'll be a point in the NBA, and I'll have to prove that I can play that position."

    HOWARD SURGING

    Interestingly, the majority of teams that have contact the Magic about the No. 1 overall draft choice have expressed more interest in Georgia prep forward Dwight Howard than UConn center Emeka Okafor. That could leave agent Aaron Goodwin with the top pick for a second straight year, now representing Howard after locking up LeBron James before last year's draft. ...

    When contemplating mock drafts, contemplate another team exercising the Clippers' No. 2 pick. It's a tradition. Since the advent of the lottery in 1985, the Clippers three previous times have exited at No. 2. In 1989, they drafted Duke forward Danny Ferry, who rebuffed their advances, bided his time in Italy, and then forced a trade to the Cavaliers. In 1995, the Clippers immediately dealt No. 2 pick Antonio McDyess to Denver for a package including Rodney Rogers and Brent Barry. And in 2001, No. 2 pick Tyson Chandler was dealt to Chicago for Elton Brand.

    JONES CONSIDERED

    At the conclusion of the Eastern Conference finals, the Pistons' Brown mentioned that the Heat's Jones is among the possibilities for the roster he will coach at the Athens Olympics.

    "I think they're waiting to find out what positions are needed to be filled, how many big guys we have, how many small forwards we have, how many guards," Brown said. "I think we've got some good players, some good alternatives, so we'll see."

    Brown previously had mentioned going with a young roster that could include Wade, while selection chairman Stu Jackson has spoken of Odom as an option. Such decisions could drag on for a while.

    "We don't have a cutoff date," Jackson said. "Olympic rules say you have to have a roster 72 hours prior to competition. If we have to use every bit of that time to fill and put our team together, we will."

    Basketball competition at the Athens Games begins Aug. 15.

    ROSTER MANAGEMENT

    Guard Kenny Anderson spoke at the conclusion of the Pacers' season of possibly ending his career where it started, in New Jersey. "Rod Thorn would have to be interested in me," he said of the Nets executive. Now, granted, New Jersey did a poor job in covering itself at point guard this season behind Jason Kidd, but Anderson? To refresh: The 33-year-old appeared in only four of the Pacers' playoff games, for a grand total of 19 minutes, closing with four points and five turnovers. ...

    The New York Post has reported discussions between the Nets and Heat regarding Jones. One package that would work would be guard Kerry Kittles and forward Aaron Williams, players whose contracts could come off the books after next season and provide Riley with salary-cap flexibility for the '05 offseason.

    The prime targets of the halfcourt-challenged Nets, though, appear to be Seattle guard Ray Allen and Portland forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim. ...

    Due $19 million over the next four seasons, 7-foot-4 Shawn Bradley is expected to be exposed by the Mavericks in the June 22 expansion draft. With $5 million the going rate for backup centers on some teams, Charlotte coach Bernie Bickerstaff figures he just might find a market. "I think Shawn Bradley could help some team for 20 minutes" a game, Bickerstaff said.

    MISSING THE POINT

    Confusing to the end was the Timberwolves' failure to bolster their rotation at point guard while aware of Sam Cassell's fragile back and Troy Hudson's ankle woes. Then again, this is a team that has parted with Chauncey Billups and Bobby Jackson over the years for nothing in return. With Hudson now to test free agency, the 'Wolves could before forced to decide between spending their mid-level salary-cap exception on free-agent forward Trenton Hassell or a backup to Cassell. ...

    Figure on Game 6 of the Western Conference finals mercifully being the NBA's last sighting of Minnesota's Oliver Miller, with four fouls in five minutes being his legacy. During one sequence, the NBA's widest body, was part of a double foul with the Lakers' Devean George, called for an offensive foul, beaten for an alley-oop dunk, and then called for another offensive foul -- all in a span of 54 seconds. ...

    The latest from Tracy McGrady is that if Orlando is looking to rebuild, he wouldn't mind being dealt to Houston, Indiana or Detroit, teams he views as needing his scoring. The last time we checked, McGrady was under contract and could be dealt anywhere the Magic darn well pleases.

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    Nothing really new here.

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    Miller's time could be up
    Sunday, June 06, 2004
    Jimmy Smith
    Is the dinosaur having a change of heart?

    Earlier this season, ageless, or aging, depending upon your perspective, Pacers guard Reggie Miller said he'd retire if Indiana won the NBA championship.



    Now that Miller will be in Los Angeles -- at his offseason home instead of playing against the Lakers in the NBA Finals that begin tonight -- there are unanswered questions about his future in the league.

    And Miller is the one who left the questions unanswered.

    Miller wouldn't respond to queries about his plans after Indiana's Game 6 elimination at the hands of the Detroit Pistons last week, leading to some speculation that the 39-year-old Miller might retire.

    Miller has two years remaining on his contract with the Pacers but has said he doesn't want to play past the age of 40.

    The Indianapolis Star tracked down Miller's father, Saul, who told the newspaper he didn't think his son's retirement was imminent, saying "a decision like that wouldn't be made for another 30 days at least."

    The Pacers would like Miller to return for another season, though he averaged just 10 points this season and 10.1 in the playoffs.

    "He's been one of the best teammates I've ever had," said Austin Croshere. "We live close to each other in Los Angeles in the summer and I'll be over at his house every day to talk him out of (retirement) if that's what he decides."


    ANOTHER ROLLS ON: Not yet ready for the scrap heap is another relic from the prehistoric age, Kings center Vlade Divac.

    Divac, 36, told The Sacramento Bee he'd like to continue his NBA career and eventually retire as a member of the Kings.

    Divac is a free agent.

    "I'm going to play one more season," Divac told The Bee. "At the end of next year, I'll see how I feel. My first choice, like I've always said, is to play with the Kings. I want to retire here if possible. I love the town and the fans.

    "I just don't want to be stupid about it. If there is a perfect situation somewhere else, I could do that, but I don't see that happening."

    What might that "perfect situation" be?

    "A winning team and a whole lot more money," Divac said.

    Divac just completed a six-year, $60 million contract that he signed with Sacramento in 1999.

    Lakers forward Karl Malone might tell Divac money isn't everything, but a winning team is. Malone, who made $18 million in his last season with Utah, signed for $1.5 million with Los Angeles.


    BACK AGAIN? Former New Jersey Nets guard Kenny Anderson, who played this year with the Pacers after spending half a season with the Hornets the previous year, says he'd like to return to New Jersey.

    Anderson told the New York Post that he'd be willing to head back to Jersey to relieve Jason Kidd.

    The Nets are said to be interested in Anderson.

    "I've thought about it," Anderson, a New York City native, told the Post. "Friends, family, they saw Jason Kidd, how he plays big minutes, was hurt. They said, 'You could finish your career back home.' I've thought about it."

    Anderson is a free agent July 1.

    "Rod Thorn (the Nets' CEO) would have to be interested in me," Anderson said. "I would definitely like that, sure. I'm fine. I can play three to five years. I've got my speed. I can run a team. I'm healthy.

    "I just need the opportunity to play some minutes. That looks good. I don't want to deal with this next year."

    Anderson was referring to his lack of playing time on the Indiana Pacers' bench.


    KIDD UPDATE: Speaking of Kidd, he underwent another MRI test this week on his ailing left knee.

    Thorn told the Post that the tests showed the same result as in the past and that the team would consult with doctors on whether Kidd would require offseason surgery.

    "He's had his MRI, and now the doctors will make the determination of where to go from here," Thorn said. "Now we want to get all the opinions, and we'll take whatever action needs to be taken."

    Kidd initially was diagnosed with a bone bruise in the knee, but there was a feeling that there was damaged cartilage that might require surgery.


    MORE KNEES: Sixers guard Allen Iverson was troubled this season by a sore knee.

    But Philadelphia airport police didn't think the injury was serious enough to allow Iverson to park his $320,000 Rolls Royce in a handicapped spot there this week.

    Iverson, who has gotten into trouble previously for parking in handicapped spaces, was ticketed after police said he parked the vehicle in a handicapped spot at the Philadelphia International Airport.

    Iverson, who earned $13.5 million this season, could easily afford the $300 fine.

    An airport police officer saw Iverson return to the car and leave.

    "I saw him walk up to the car and drive away," the policeman told The Philadelphia Daily News. "He had his posse with him."

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    Pacers assistant expected to interview in Atlanta

    By Marc J. Spears
    Denver Post Staff Writer





    Indiana assistant coach Mike Brown expects to interview for Atlanta's head coach opening soon.

    Brown was an assistant for San Antonio during its 2003 NBA championship season and also has been a scout and video coordinator with the Nuggets.

    Other candidates for the Hawks job include former Nuggets associate head coach John MacLeod, Dallas assistant Del Harris and Seattle associate head coach Dwane Casey.

    Atlanta director of basketball operations Billy Knight isn't expected to interview any more candidates until after the upcoming NBA predraft camp.

    Once that is over, he is expected to interview Detroit assistant Mike Woodson and former Hawks coach Mike Fratello.



    "It's an honor to be up for any opportunity in this league, whether it be a head coach or assistant coach, because there aren't many jobs available," said Brown, 34, who has been in the NBA for 12 seasons. "I'm in a good situation here, so I don't have anything to lose in listening."


    Expansion draft talk
    As of today, the Nuggets have to expose four of their 12 players for the Charlotte Bobcats' expansion draft June 22.

    If center Marcus Camby opts out of his contract, as expected, before Saturday's deadline for the expansion draft list, the number of unprotected players would drop to three.

    The three Nuggets expected to be on the list are forward Ryan Bowen, forward Chris Andersen and guard Jeff Trepagnier.

    If Camby doesn't opt out, guard Voshon Lenard could be among the candidates to be added to the list.

    "I love Denver, the coaching staff and management," said Bowen, a five-year Nugget. "I'm just waiting and looking to see what happens like a lot of people."


    Deng to work out?
    Duke swingman Luol Deng denied reports that he will take part in only one individual workout for interested NBA teams.

    Deng, who is projected to be drafted as high as third, said he would work out for selected teams soon. He also is expected to hire an agent soon.

    The 6-foot-8, 220-pound freshman averaged 15.1 points and 6.9 rebounds this past season. Deng, who is friends with Detroit guard Richard Hamilton, attended Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals in Detroit last Tuesday.

    "I'm going to work out for teams," the 19-year-old Deng said. "I'm just not sure which ones."


    Jazz can be picky
    The Utah Jazz and the Boston Celtics are two teams with three picks in the June 26 draft.

    Because the Jazz has picks 14, 16 and 21 and the Celtics have picks 15, 24 and 25, Utah has a better chance to move up.

    With the Jazz possibly losing center Greg Ostertag to free agency, it is considering taking either BYU center Rafael Araujo or Colorado center David Harrison.

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    The latest from Tracy McGrady is that if Orlando is looking to rebuild, he wouldn't mind being dealt to Houston, Indiana or Detroit, teams he views as needing his scoring
    This is news to me!
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    This is all we are left with today.

    Ira Winderman I find is one of the best NBA Writers around


    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/b...la-sports-heat


    Ira Winderman




    Pacers will have to make changes
    Published June 6, 2004


    The team that seemingly had all the answers when it came to facing the Heat in the second round of the playoffs exited the conference finals with nothing but questions.

    Too tall to tame for the Heat, Indiana now is talking about the need for additional height after coming up short against the Pistons. Too deep for Stan Van Gundy's rotation to match, the Pacers are weighing the merits of dealing forward Al Harrington, the runner-up for this year's Sixth Man Award.

    "I don't think this team will be back in its exact form next year," coach Rick Carlisle said in his season-ending comments. "There will be some changes, either through free agency, the draft or the possibility of trades. There's going to be some things that are going to be different, without question."

    Because of roster redundancy -- when factoring in Ron Artest, Jonathan Bender and even former University of Miami forward James Jones -- Harrington sets up as the odd man out.

    "This is an unbalanced roster," Carlisle said, left with a dilemma that mirrors the Heat's perimeter conundrums with Dwyane Wade, Lamar Odom, Eddie Jones, Caron Butler and Rasual Butler. "There are a glut of guys at the small forward spot and there haven't been enough minutes."

    Over the years, the Pacers have recognized the dangers of keeping starting-quality talent on the bench. It is among the reasons Antonio Davis was shipped to Toronto for the draft rights to Bender.

    "If there is the opportunity for him to be a starter here, that would be great," Carlisle said of Harrington. "And if there isn't, then it may be time for him to move on to another team."

    Such a move might not be nearly as costly as the dealing of Davis to the Raptors a year before the Pacers made it to the 2000 Finals.

    Harrington entered this postseason with a career 2.6 playoff scoring average on .196 shooting.

    While the numbers were up to 9.5 points on .429 shooting this year, big-game issues remain.

    With center Jeff Foster fading in the postseason (after a requisite big game against the Heat), another big body could have been crucial against the Pistons. The Pacers had such a presence in center Brad Miller -- until loyalty got in the way last summer.

    Instead, the Pacers opted to re-sign Reggie Miller and dump Brad Miller in a trade with Sacramento to avoid the luxury tax.
    What the Pacers were left with was a 38-year-old non-shooter caught in a lopsided mismatch with Pistons guard Richard Hamilton. In four of the six games in the Eastern Conference finals, Miller scored six or fewer points (after, of course, a requisite big game against the Heat a round earlier).

    Miller has not announced his intentions for next season.

    "After he makes that decision, then I can talk about it a little bit," said Carlisle, whose glut at small forward could then be alleviated with the shift of Artest to shooting guard. "If he returns for an 18th year, my feeling would be he'd probably be a starter next year."

    With a little less Reggie, a little more Scot Pollard in the middle and something substantial in return for Harrington, the Pacers should have the continued look of a contender.

    This time, though, sentiment can't get in the way.

    NO DESK JOB

    Lakers coach Phil Jackson said he could not envision the type of full-time move into the front office that Pat Riley made this season with the Heat. "I never have had that yen to be a maneuverer behind the scenes, manipulator of players, builder of franchises, so to speak," he said, with retirement a possibility after the Finals. ...

    When Commissioner David Stern offers his state-of-the-NBA comments during the Finals, there likely will be additional discussion about getting Michael Jordan back into the league in an ownership role. Question: Why? Why would any franchise want to install in its front office the man who traded Hamilton to Detroit for Jerry Stackhouse, drafted Kwame Brown over Pau Gasol and hired Leonard Hamilton as coach? Even more appalling than having a Michael Jordan jersey hung at the top of your arena would be seeing him in the executive suite. ...

    Pistons coach Larry Brown has fired an early salvo regarding the curious way Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant have gotten into foul trouble this postseason, but have a grand total of only one disqualification (by O'Neal) in 17 games. "If four is the limit of fouls for them, I hope four is the limit of fouls for us, too," Brown said.

    THE WADE WAY

    Like the Heat's Wade, UConn guard Ben Gordon appreciates that his NBA chances revolve around versatility.

    "In college, I was asked to score a lot. And when I was asked to play point guard, I excelled," he said after a tryout with the Cavaliers. "My situation has been compared to Dwyane Wade. We both can play two positions, but I'll be a point in the NBA, and I'll have to prove that I can play that position."

    HOWARD SURGING

    Interestingly, the majority of teams that have contact the Magic about the No. 1 overall draft choice have expressed more interest in Georgia prep forward Dwight Howard than UConn center Emeka Okafor. That could leave agent Aaron Goodwin with the top pick for a second straight year, now representing Howard after locking up LeBron James before last year's draft. ...

    When contemplating mock drafts, contemplate another team exercising the Clippers' No. 2 pick. It's a tradition. Since the advent of the lottery in 1985, the Clippers three previous times have exited at No. 2. In 1989, they drafted Duke forward Danny Ferry, who rebuffed their advances, bided his time in Italy, and then forced a trade to the Cavaliers. In 1995, the Clippers immediately dealt No. 2 pick Antonio McDyess to Denver for a package including Rodney Rogers and Brent Barry. And in 2001, No. 2 pick Tyson Chandler was dealt to Chicago for Elton Brand.

    JONES CONSIDERED

    At the conclusion of the Eastern Conference finals, the Pistons' Brown mentioned that the Heat's Jones is among the possibilities for the roster he will coach at the Athens Olympics.

    "I think they're waiting to find out what positions are needed to be filled, how many big guys we have, how many small forwards we have, how many guards," Brown said. "I think we've got some good players, some good alternatives, so we'll see."

    Brown previously had mentioned going with a young roster that could include Wade, while selection chairman Stu Jackson has spoken of Odom as an option. Such decisions could drag on for a while.

    "We don't have a cutoff date," Jackson said. "Olympic rules say you have to have a roster 72 hours prior to competition. If we have to use every bit of that time to fill and put our team together, we will."

    Basketball competition at the Athens Games begins Aug. 15.

    ROSTER MANAGEMENT

    Guard Kenny Anderson spoke at the conclusion of the Pacers' season of possibly ending his career where it started, in New Jersey. "Rod Thorn would have to be interested in me," he said of the Nets executive. Now, granted, New Jersey did a poor job in covering itself at point guard this season behind Jason Kidd, but Anderson? To refresh: The 33-year-old appeared in only four of the Pacers' playoff games, for a grand total of 19 minutes, closing with four points and five turnovers. ...

    The New York Post has reported discussions between the Nets and Heat regarding Jones. One package that would work would be guard Kerry Kittles and forward Aaron Williams, players whose contracts could come off the books after next season and provide Riley with salary-cap flexibility for the '05 offseason.

    The prime targets of the halfcourt-challenged Nets, though, appear to be Seattle guard Ray Allen and Portland forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim. ...

    Due $19 million over the next four seasons, 7-foot-4 Shawn Bradley is expected to be exposed by the Mavericks in the June 22 expansion draft. With $5 million the going rate for backup centers on some teams, Charlotte coach Bernie Bickerstaff figures he just might find a market. "I think Shawn Bradley could help some team for 20 minutes" a game, Bickerstaff said.

    MISSING THE POINT

    Confusing to the end was the Timberwolves' failure to bolster their rotation at point guard while aware of Sam Cassell's fragile back and Troy Hudson's ankle woes. Then again, this is a team that has parted with Chauncey Billups and Bobby Jackson over the years for nothing in return. With Hudson now to test free agency, the 'Wolves could before forced to decide between spending their mid-level salary-cap exception on free-agent forward Trenton Hassell or a backup to Cassell. ...

    Figure on Game 6 of the Western Conference finals mercifully being the NBA's last sighting of Minnesota's Oliver Miller, with four fouls in five minutes being his legacy. During one sequence, the NBA's widest body, was part of a double foul with the Lakers' Devean George, called for an offensive foul, beaten for an alley-oop dunk, and then called for another offensive foul -- all in a span of 54 seconds. ...

    The latest from Tracy McGrady is that if Orlando is looking to rebuild, he wouldn't mind being dealt to Houston, Indiana or Detroit, teams he views as needing his scoring. The last time we checked, McGrady was under contract and could be dealt anywhere the Magic darn well pleases.
    I only highlight this because.

    A. I'm an *** & won't let it go.

    B. The opinion expressed is the general concensus from around the league.

    C. Only in Indiana was this ever considered a good move.

    D. All of the above.


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    Raise your hand if you thought swapping Miller with Pollard was a good thing.

    *sits patiently and waits*

    Oh wait, no one ever raised their hand. I wonder why?

    Any idiot knows Miller > Pollard. Reality is it was a series of circumstances that caused it to happen, but the most important thing to face now is that it did and move the hell on.

    Trust me Peck, if I can move on from it, so can you. Unless you can magically make Brad and Pollard trade places right now, there's nothing left to go over.

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    Raise your hand if you thought swapping Miller with Pollard was a good thing.

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    Raise your hand if you thought swapping Miller with Pollard was a good thing.
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    Raise your hand if you thought swapping Miller with Pollard was a good thing.
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    Duh...I thought you meant taking on Pollard so we could keep Reggie.
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    Why ioh why must this thread turn into a Brad Miller thread, there were oither things in the articles by Ira that I found interesting.

    I did not think Foster faded in the postseason at all. In fact if he would have played in games 4,5,6, he would have played well, but because of other factors the Pacers needed scoring

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    I'd hardly consider Ira the opinion around the league. I don't believe it was a choice between Millers. I just don't think that Donnie wanted Brad at that price. He might have been wrong we'll see.

    After the first season after the trade it looks like he has done well with the roster. I believe that Donnie deserves the benefit of the doubt and some acknowledgement that he knows what he is doing.
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    June 1, 2004 -- IN back-to-back games, Larry Brown and Rick Carlisle took turns kneeling at the interview altar. They couldn't wait to confess their sins. It was their fault their teams were unprepared. They were to blame, not the players, for not understanding what had to be done and what to expect. "We accept full responsibility for our team's losses," they echoed.

    It doesn't get any more nauseating.

    Assigning guilt trips is our job. We in the media are in charge of levying liability, not coaches conspiring to churn out misinformation. We're more than capable of deciding who's accountable. It's insulting to think they think they can work us like we're referees.

    Then again, Carlisle is correct. He definitely has earned a demerit badge in this series, especially in Game 5. Matching your team's oldest and leakiest defender against your opponent's fastest flowing faucet is a bit baffling. Not making a switch until the 61/2 minute mark of Sunday's third quarter, after Rip Hamilton had amassed the majority of 27 points at Reggie Miller's expense, was resourcefully negligent.

    At the most, this approach should be employed sparingly since the Pacers are blessed with Ron Artest, the league's lock-up artist and the aerodynamically acclaimed Fred Jones. It should be used explicitly, it says here, when the 38-year-old Indiana Bones is looking more like Indiana Osteoporosis. Apparently Carlisle isn't paying attention.

    One of the most bald-faced lies perpetrated by the propaganda machines at ABC, TNT and ESPN is that Miller should be commended for deferring to Jermaine O'Neal, Artest and Co, and that the NBA's all-time offshore driller and one of its most poisonous pressure players deserves a gold star for accepting a lesser role the last couple years.

    What a crock! Miller embraced a diminished function, fewer shots and half the payday simply because he can't manufacture points in bunches on a remotely consistent basis (only an occasional game-winner) as he once could.

    Not only that, he's frequently not even looking for his shot. Worse yet, he's passing up wide-open 3-pointers in must-shoot situations, resulting in forever-botched opportunities to gain ground. Worst of all, the referees have turned on him, an instantly recognizable sign a consecrated career is crashing.

    Nearing the half in Game 5, Miller lofted up one of his patented kick-out springers from the corner in an attempt to fake the official into putting him on the welfare line. What he got was an offensive foul.

    Considering the game's significance and the fact the Pacers were trailing at the time the 17-year veteran of domestic and international competition should've been cagey enough to restrain his emotions. Instead he picked up a technical. Shortly thereafter O'Neal also lost his composure, getting T-ed up over a non-call by Steve Javie.

    The Pacers quickly followed their leaders down the drain.

    Miller failed to pinpoint the roots of the unraveling, noting a lack of ball movement and individualistic urges as the cause for Indy's decline. The fast fading luminary, who scored all five of his points in the first quarter, took no responsibility for leading his team astray or failing to do anything to re-direct its course.

    Naturally, no one dared ask Miller or Carlisle why Reggie was guarding Hamilton at all or so long, and why he was even out there if he refused to shoot unmolested 3-pointers.

    If anything, in an often-heartless business, the Simon brothers, CEO Donnie Walsh and president Larry Bird have rewarded Miller, even to the team's detriment, with unusual loyalty and gift giving. Don't forget, they choose to pay Reggie an average of $5.5 million over three seasons rather than invest in Brad Miller over seven seasons; think the Pacers could've used his perimeter and passing repertoire against Detroit?

    If anything, Isiah Thomas (planning to bring Reggie off the bench this season had he stayed) and now Carlisle (playing him more in the playoffs than the regular season) deferred to Miller as opposed to the other way around.

    Reality bites, hard.

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    Can't think of a more appropriate time to hear Michael Jordan's reason for trading Richard Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse not long after he'd volunteered to caving under the playoff pressure of having to be the Pistons' go-to guy.

    From what I'm told, Jordan copped an attitude when informed how much money Hamilton wanted to extend, so he dumped him.

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    This article was posted earlier (I think) but IMO fits in with the theme of this thread as a companion piece (especially for those that might've missed it earlier).

    Is Peter going off on his own here or did DW give him any of this stuff for a 'message'?

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    Is Peter going off on his own here or did DW give him any of this stuff for a 'message'?
    That's what I'm wondering too. Maybe Vescey's source is also sending a message to Carlisle as well about what should happen when/if Reggie returns.

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    Is Peter going off on his own here or did DW give him any of this stuff for a 'message'?
    That's what I'm wondering too. Maybe Vescey's source is also sending a message to Carlisle as well about what should happen when/if Reggie returns.
    I'm back and forth on what the message might be... if it is a message. Assuming the message isn't directed at Carlisle I start thinking of things Carlisle has said regarding Reggie (paraphrased) "We're waiting to hear Reggie's plans for next season".

    He hadn't publically mentioned retiring this year (except the speculation regarding retiring with a championship). He's said he wants to play until 40. He signed a 2 year contract with an option for 3.

    Maybe management is not going to give Reggie a vote of confidence on returning?

    Why would the team be waiting to hear what he's going to do? Why wouldn't they say they assume he is coming back unless they hear otherwise?

    And then this article takes on a tone suggesting the team has been loyal to Reggie... Is it also suggesting he should return that loyalty and retire, admitting he doesn't have 'it' anymore? Would that be something Walsh wanted telegraphed to Reggie to think about?

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    Why would the team be waiting to hear what he's going to do? Why wouldn't they say they assume he is coming back unless they hear otherwise?
    That is actually a REAL good point.

    By saying things among those lines, they make it seem like he should be thinking of retirement...

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    I don't believe it was a choice between Millers. I just don't think that Donnie wanted Brad at that price.
    Personally, I feel it was both, the latter making it an easier decision.

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