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    Default trade idea based on Al's wishes and Montieth Q&A

    Ok so Al wants out (more or less) and as Montieth said, a most likely option to deal is Dampier, who wants out from the Warriors, who (his statement) also have more talent to trade.

    We would like to have Damp here, but we also need a 2

    So as a toy I ran this on RealGM:

    Golden State trades: C Erick Dampier (12.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.5 minutes)
    SG Jason Richardson (18.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 37.6 minutes)
    Golden State receives: PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
    C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: -16.0 ppg, -9.6 rpg, and -1.8 apg.

    Indiana trades: PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
    C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
    Indiana receives: C Erick Dampier (12.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 74 games)
    SG Jason Richardson (18.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 78 games)
    Change in team outlook: +16.0 ppg, +9.6 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Due to Golden State and Indiana being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Indiana had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    You have been assigned Trade ID number 1630355

    Dampier would, if he keeps up the good work from last year, be a great second to JO, and J-Rich, we all know he can do it. Great talent imo with a very nice shot, slicing ?

    (just think of Fred AND J-Rich on the same team )

    Warriors? they ARE going to lose Dampier, that much is sure, it also remains to be seen that once J-Rich is out of hos rookie contract whether he would re-sign with them, surely he can do better then a perpetual lottery team.
    What can they get for Dampier if he leaves, contracts and little talent, or flat out nothing.
    This could be there chance at a C that has a better fit in their system, who has proven himself previously in the West and was just a bad fit here, combined with an up and coming SF/PF who wants to lead a team in Al,

    your opinion ?
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    Default Re: trade idea based on Al's wishes and Montieth Q&A

    Ok so Al wants out (more or less) and as Montieth said, a most likely option to deal is Dampier, who wants out from the Warriors, who (his statement) also have more talent to trade.

    We would like to have Damp here, but we also need a 2

    So as a toy I ran this on RealGM:

    Golden State trades: C Erick Dampier (12.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.5 minutes)
    SG Jason Richardson (18.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 37.6 minutes)
    Golden State receives: PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
    C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: -16.0 ppg, -9.6 rpg, and -1.8 apg.

    Indiana trades: PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
    C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
    Indiana receives: C Erick Dampier (12.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 74 games)
    SG Jason Richardson (18.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.9 apg in 78 games)
    Change in team outlook: +16.0 ppg, +9.6 rpg, and +1.8 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Due to Golden State and Indiana being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Golden State and Indiana had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    You have been assigned Trade ID number 1630355

    Dampier would, if he keeps up the good work from last year, be a great second to JO, and J-Rich, we all know he can do it. Great talent imo with a very nice shot, slicing ?

    (just think of Fred AND J-Rich on the same team )

    Warriors? they ARE going to lose Dampier, that much is sure, it also remains to be seen that once J-Rich is out of hos rookie contract whether he would re-sign with them, surely he can do better then a perpetual lottery team.
    What can they get for Dampier if he leaves, contracts and little talent, or flat out nothing.
    This could be there chance at a C that has a better fit in their system, who has proven himself previously in the West and was just a bad fit here, combined with an up and coming SF/PF who wants to lead a team in Al,

    your opinion ?
    No way in hell is Golden State giving up Richardson AND Dampier for Harrington.....

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    Default Re: trade idea based on Al's wishes and Montieth Q&A

    Yeah - there is no way that will happen.

    Harrington for J-Rich, first off, is pretty unlikely. Then it's basically Pollard for Dampier....

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    Default Re: trade idea based on Al's wishes and Montieth Q&A

    Not to mention JRich is responsible for the few season ticket packages that the Warriors DO sell.........

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    OOhhh but I agree with all those sentiments, but then.....
    let reality kick in for a while: Will they be able to improve enough to NOT be lottery bound, under that assumption that Dampier is gone?
    In that case will J-Rich sign and extension ?
    Does he want to stay ?

    I agree it might cost more then I threw out above, but still......

    what would make them do it?

    Are you sure they can keep J-Rich ?

    And let's be honest weirder trades have happened...... right Kstat?
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    I really don't think that GS would give us JRich and Damp for just AL and i don't buy that Polly would push it over the top. We'd probably have to throw in FJ. Wouldn't that be funny if the JRich and FJ were traded for each other? Who would we root for in the Slam Dunk Competition?

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    I do believe we could get Damp for Al + Pollard.

    This is basically for GS what it was for us last year with B.Miller. One way or another Damp's gone, they just don't want to lose him for nothing.

    Ironically, Pollard may once again be the "consolation prize". Then, unlike us, they'll be able to keep their "Turk" in Al instead of trading him to San Antonio for cap space.

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    How come we didn't want to keep Turk? I think he would have been a nice fit with this group of player.

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    Do you guys think that instead of Richardson we could get Dunleavy out of that deal? I still doubt it - but it'd be nice.

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    Why would we want dunleavy? He's another PF/SF tweener! which is what we're trying to get rid of.

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    How come we didn't want to keep Turk? I think he would have been a nice fit with this group of player.

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    Ah. And i guess it gives us more space to make moves this summer. (and thats what got mercer off the books wasn't it. i forgot about that)

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    Im happy we didnt take Hedo for ourselves, I dont like the way he plays. Yeah, so he scored some crucial points for the Spurs in our game at San Antonio, whatelse worthwhile has he done for the Spurs, further is he really a guard??? I see him more as a SF who gets played at SG by SA.

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    Default Re: trade idea based on Al's wishes and Montieth Q&A

    I do believe we could get Damp for Al + Pollard.

    This is basically for GS what it was for us last year with B.Miller. One way or another Damp's gone, they just don't want to lose him for nothing.

    Ironically, Pollard may once again be the "consolation prize". Then, unlike us, they'll be able to keep their "Turk" in Al instead of trading him to San Antonio for cap space.
    If that is the way of thinking ( and yes i was looking at that) then the trade would be Al for J-Rich, and Pollard as make-up for the loss of Dampier and cap.

    I know it is not a "real" option, yet if you look at it, they ARE losing Damp, as simple as that, for nothing, like we were Brad, a "bad" trade is all they can do now SanAn made the trade possible because they wanted Turk, this trade would be "possible" (and i would agree throwing in Fred or another combo) if we got J-Rich, as in : then we would be willing to give them something for Damp.

    S&T is a weird science, that is sure. There are a few of them out there that will "opt-out" this year if the rumours are true, which makes the market a whole different one then one filled with major free agents like last year.
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    Im happy we didnt take Hedo for ourselves, I dont like the way he plays. Yeah, so he scored some crucial points for the Spurs in our game at San Antonio, whatelse worthwhile has he done for the Spurs, further is he really a guard??? I see him more as a SF who gets played at SG by SA.
    The Kings played him at SF, SG, and PG. They (the players) all thought he was going to be a superstar.

    While a trade of Freddy for JRich sounds great on paper, I'm just not sure. Freddy seems mature and easy to integrate into any team setting. JRich? Not so much.

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    Default Re: trade idea based on Al's wishes and Montieth Q&A

    I do believe we could get Damp for Al + Pollard.

    This is basically for GS what it was for us last year with B.Miller. One way or another Damp's gone, they just don't want to lose him for nothing.

    Ironically, Pollard may once again be the "consolation prize". Then, unlike us, they'll be able to keep their "Turk" in Al instead of trading him to San Antonio for cap space.
    If that is the way of thinking ( and yes i was looking at that) then the trade would be Al for J-Rich, and Pollard as make-up for the loss of Dampier and cap.
    It still wouldn't happen though because them adding J-Rich would have been like us tossing in Al or Ron to send to Sacramento.

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    This is almost exactly like the B. Miller situation last year for them... It could happen if they can't find anything better.
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    I do believe we could get Damp for Al + Pollard.

    This is basically for GS what it was for us last year with B.Miller. One way or another Damp's gone, they just don't want to lose him for nothing.

    Ironically, Pollard may once again be the "consolation prize". Then, unlike us, they'll be able to keep their "Turk" in Al instead of trading him to San Antonio for cap space.
    If that is the way of thinking ( and yes i was looking at that) then the trade would be Al for J-Rich, and Pollard as make-up for the loss of Dampier and cap.
    It still wouldn't happen though because them adding J-Rich would have been like us tossing in Al or Ron to send to Sacramento.
    I don't follow your last logic hicks... I think it would boil down to us giving them Harrington for J-Rich...

    We also lost mercer (good thing) in the last trade..
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    I'd do Al and Pollard for Q in an instant.

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    eh.. Q. is a SG that shot less than 40% last year... not my first choice..
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    Harrington + Pollard for Dampier could work. JRich is not getting thrown into that deal though. If we're going to play "rape the other team" then the Al for S&T Kobe rumors might as well fly.

    Richardson is good on the break and can shoot the 3 alright but he's not a great halfcourt player or shooter. In the halfcourt he posts up quite a bit and his midrange game needs work (though it has improved). Better than what the Pacers have now, but probably not the best fit. Only defends when it's a full moon too.

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    eh.. Q. is a SG that shot less than 40% last year... not my first choice..
    On a crappy Clippers team. He would be open all the time with JO and Artest in the post.
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    Harrington + Pollard for Dampier could work.
    How about Harrington/Pollard for Dampier/Cheaney(S/T)?

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    Also, Dampier is scheduled to $8M+ this season, I don't see a real drastic drop in salary if it's a S&T deal. A 5 year deal sounds about right. Effectively the Pacers would have traded Miller and Harrington for a 30 year old Dampier who's just had a career year during what was essentially a contract year. Be careful what you wish for.

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    Harrington + Pollard for Dampier could work. JRich is not getting thrown into that deal though. If we're going to play "rape the other team" then the Al for S&T Kobe rumors might as well fly.

    Richardson is good on the break and can shoot the 3 alright but he's not a great halfcourt player or shooter. In the halfcourt he posts up quite a bit and his midrange game needs work (though it has improved). Better than what the Pacers have now, but probably not the best fit. Only defends when it's a full moon too.
    I always thought Richardson was expendable with Pietrus emerging, and Dunleavy also being able to play just about any position besides center. I agree that this deal wouldn't be enough but I defeinently think Richardson could be traded.

    Kerosene, I'm not sure if you saw my 3 team trade with Indiana and Orlando in another topic, but I think Okafor would be a great fit on the Warriors.
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