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  • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

    Originally posted by EmCeE View Post
    The word thug has a negative conotation not racial undertones. The word itself is not racist. Modern day black culture has adopted the word as a way of identity. This also happened with the Italian and Irish gangs. Its a way of social evolution.
    In the Italian culture, at least, thug was not adopted as a positive term. Other words were adopted, none of which implied violence until after their use.
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    • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

      Originally posted by EmCeE View Post
      IMO, the word thug has a negative conotation not racial undertones. The word itself is not racist. Modern day black culture has adopted the word as a way of identity. This also happened with the Italian and Irish gangs. Its a way of social evolution.
      Fixed!!!!

      Not all words are continued to be used to their dictionary definition in modern cultures. I guess we all have our ways of looking at things, but it is real hard for me to see the word thug used without the racial undertones.
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      • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

        Back to the original topic for a minute.

        I was listening to 1070 The Fan yesterday and Kravitz and Eddie were throwing Benner so far under the bus he is unlikely to see saylight for years.

        I was actually pretty proud of them for doing that.

        Then Jersey Johnnie cam on and took it a step further.

        He related an incident from the years that the Colts were having problems with attendance, and a discussion he had with Benner at that time.

        What was Benner's reply to Jersey's concerns about the low attendance?

        "Why would people pay to see bad football being played?"

        Judging by that, it would appear Benner speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

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        • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

          Originally posted by Wu-Gambino View Post
          For hosting big sporting events and conventions, definitely. But when it comes to actual fan support, that's a whole different story.
          What's the test? Attendance?

          Is the test of the "true sports town" a packed house regardless of the competitive level of the team?

          When Indy teams make playoff runs the arenas are loud and packed.

          Contrast that with Los Angeles in football or Atlanta in anything and I don't see this as such a bad sports town.

          When I moved here 15 years ago I could walk up to the dome and buy tickets game day. Fans didn't know when to cheer and when to be quiet.

          In the time I've been here the Pacers had a decade of playoff runs, made the finals, the Colts won a championship, Nascar came to town, Roy Jones fought here, etc etc.

          If you're whole point is attendance should never drop then so be it.

          I guess it's relative. To some of the places I've lived this is a great sports town.

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          • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

            Originally posted by Tom White View Post
            Back to the original topic for a minute.

            I was listening to 1070 The Fan yesterday and Kravitz and Eddie were throwing Benner so far under the bus he is unlikely to see saylight for years.

            I listened to it for as long as I could stomach it. I thought they were completely misrepresenting what Bill Benner had written. They kept asking, "do you blame the fans for the current Pacers situation" as if that was what Benner suggested. I had to turn it off

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            • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

              Originally posted by Evan_The_Dude View Post
              Did anyone call Jason Williams a thug?
              I did.

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              • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                Is that "Pistol Pete" Jason Williams or shotgun Jason Williams?

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                • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  I listened to it for as long as I could stomach it. I thought they were completely misrepresenting what Bill Benner had written. They kept asking, "do you blame the fans for the current Pacers situation" as if that was what Benner suggested. I had to turn it off
                  I agree. It was pathetic. Classic strawman. I think the case I made in this thread already is dead on, I've heard nothing ever to refute it legitmately.

                  Take these Pacers TOTALLY OUT OF THE EQUATION. Okay, no Ron, Jack, "incidents".

                  Now explain why fans (and Kravitz at times) dismissed the Manning Colts or the Reggie Pacers, because they did. Not only did they not fill up the stadiums, they would snark-off with things like "oh, they'll never win the big one...they suck" (because those things are equivilent after all).

                  My go-to with the Pacers is "Smits is a clown" which I had to listen to during his 3rd or 4th year from some loudmouth behind us at a game. And I cite the half empty arena for Dale's first game after his holdout ended (remember the days of rookie holdouts?).

                  HISTORY, the fanbase can't escape their utter disdain for Reggie, Rik, Dale, Detlef, Chuck or Manning, Dungy, Harrison, Edge, etc. They had to be shown right to the front step of ultimate victory before they could come out and root for the team.

                  These fans had little interest in a team that was on its way to the ECF. Go 20 games prior to the end of that season and look at all the sell-outs, or lack thereof. The product speaks for itself, that team was game 7 ECF caliber, good guys, good teamwork. "Hoosiers", as in the film version, would have recognized that talent.

                  By my count there are about 7-10K of those. The rest had to see 2 ECF runs before they started to think "hey, these guys might win", as if Detlef winning back-to-back 6th man awards along side Reggie was not enough to interest them.


                  So here we are again with a bunch of yahoos who won't get anywhere near Dun, Diener, Troy, Danny, etc but will be yelling at the parade 6 years from now when Danny says "greatest fans in the world" at the title celebration.

                  There they'll be saying "I was with them all the time, I knew he could do it."

                  I'm bitter, I say GTF on the bandwagon now. The team isn't winning, but the product in terms of character and effort is all you can ask for, if that's really the factor holding you back.


                  I've said it before, the number 1 thing to make the point on unacceptable players is to show up when they sit and pass on games when they play. 15K to 6K from night to night would more than make a point and that player would be forced to sit.

                  Imagine if all month people were out cheering Dun/Dan and then suddenly Tins returns and 2K are there, tumbleweeds and crickets. They'd know what was up and it would GIVE THEM AN OPTION, which is to sit him and play the guys you want out there.

                  If you don't go at all then there is no option. They might as well play Tins now if you aren't going anyway. Heck, why keep Shawne out. Let his buddy play if he's out on bail even.

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                  • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                    Urban called, it wants to talk about words with no connotation.

                    Hey, I live downtown, I'm urban, right? Urban music means people like me writing folk songs; urban culture is cookouts and dog walking and painting the kitchen and Pottery Barn catalogs.

                    There's technical definitions and then there's implied usage.

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                    • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                      Look at Indy and the past 20 years whom have fans embraced? Peyton Manning, Reggie Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Marshall Faulk, the Davis boys, Rik Smits, Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, etc.
                      Harbaugh 96, bandwagon over, mid-95 wagon not started.

                      5000 Titans fans for a playoff game, who was QB?

                      Pacers lose game 4 in MSA to the Knicks, lose game 3 to the Pistons...packed house?

                      They DON'T embrace "good guys" if they don't win. "Winning" is a virtue to this fanbase. Dungy was bad guy for not being able to get over the hump. It was time for him to go. Win the SB and it's "what a great guy". And it's not like his teams were 4-12 either.

                      Smits and his feet were thrown under the bus as much as JO is now. Fans were disgusted with him, and that wasn't just early in his career.


                      Using apathetic Atlanta or LA is not a good benchmark.


                      Mike Tirico (sp) said that the Big Ten Tourney belonged in Indianapolis and should ALWAYS be played there.
                      Not too shabby for a town that can't support sports.
                      You've just mixed points. As a city for VISITORS it's great. Good layout, easy to move around in, not too big or expensive. It's intentionally designed to be crowd friendly for the convention business.

                      Not unlike how IMS was one of the most popular international venues for F1. I spoke to tons of foreign visitors and they all loved coming here because it was so easy to deal with. That has 100% nothing to do with the local fanbase supporting F1 or not.

                      If it did then the Brickyard attendence wouldn't dwarf F1, and the 500 wouldn't see horrible attendence prior to race day.
                      Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 03-12-2008, 03:00 PM.

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                      • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                        I agree. It was pathetic. Classic strawman. I think the case I made in this thread already is dead on, I've heard nothing ever to refute it legitmately.

                        Take these Pacers TOTALLY OUT OF THE EQUATION. Okay, no Ron, Jack, "incidents".

                        Now explain why fans (and Kravitz at times) dismissed the Manning Colts or the Reggie Pacers, because they did. Not only did they not fill up the stadiums, they would snark-off with things like "oh, they'll never win the big one...they suck" (because those things are equivilent after all).

                        My go-to with the Pacers is "Smits is a clown" which I had to listen to during his 3rd or 4th year from some loudmouth behind us at a game. And I cite the half empty arena for Dale's first game after his holdout ended (remember the days of rookie holdouts?).

                        HISTORY, the fanbase can't escape their utter disdain for Reggie, Rik, Dale, Detlef, Chuck or Manning, Dungy, Harrison, Edge, etc. They had to be shown right to the front step of ultimate victory before they could come out and root for the team.

                        These fans had little interest in a team that was on its way to the ECF. Go 20 games prior to the end of that season and look at all the sell-outs, or lack thereof. The product speaks for itself, that team was game 7 ECF caliber, good guys, good teamwork. "Hoosiers", as in the film version, would have recognized that talent.

                        By my count there are about 7-10K of those. The rest had to see 2 ECF runs before they started to think "hey, these guys might win", as if Detlef winning back-to-back 6th man awards along side Reggie was not enough to interest them.


                        So here we are again with a bunch of yahoos who won't get anywhere near Dun, Diener, Troy, Danny, etc but will be yelling at the parade 6 years from now when Danny says "greatest fans in the world" at the title celebration.

                        There they'll be saying "I was with them all the time, I knew he could do it."

                        I'm bitter, I say GTF on the bandwagon now. The team isn't winning, but the product in terms of character and effort is all you can ask for, if that's really the factor holding you back.


                        I've said it before, the number 1 thing to make the point on unacceptable players is to show up when they sit and pass on games when they play. 15K to 6K from night to night would more than make a point and that player would be forced to sit.

                        Imagine if all month people were out cheering Dun/Dan and then suddenly Tins returns and 2K are there, tumbleweeds and crickets. They'd know what was up and it would GIVE THEM AN OPTION, which is to sit him and play the guys you want out there.

                        If you don't go at all then there is no option. They might as well play Tins now if you aren't going anyway. Heck, why keep Shawne out. Let his buddy play if he's out on bail even.
                        You do realize Benner is talking to you too?

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                        • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                          I agree. It was pathetic. Classic strawman. I think the case I made in this thread already is dead on, I've heard nothing ever to refute it legitmately.
                          Perhaps not in your own mind or opinion, but those making opposing opinions have as much right to their own definition of "legit".

                          HISTORY, the fanbase can't escape their utter disdain for Reggie, Rik, Dale, Detlef, Chuck or Manning, Dungy, Harrison, Edge, etc.
                          What?

                          I've said it before, the number 1 thing to make the point on unacceptable players is to show up when they sit and pass on games when they play. 15K to 6K from night to night would more than make a point and that player would be forced to sit.
                          That is all well and good, but you don't always know when a player is going to be bench-ridden. Example: Williams did not play vs. the Sonics last night.


                          Let me just put this idea to you, and see if you agree.

                          We all (here at PD) care. We may disagree about what is wrong, who is to blame, what to do about it, etc..

                          But we all care. Otherwise, we wouldn't see all these posts with so much passion behind them.

                          Simply, we all care or we would not be here. I think sometimes we all tend to forget that.

                          We also all have a right to support the current team (or not) to whatever extent we are comfortable with. You can't really knock someone who has decided to not spend their money on any given product.

                          Maybe it takes the team getting to the finals before going to a game makes its way up a person's financial ladder of importance enough for them to attend. That is their choice. I just can't see anything wrong with that.
                          Last edited by Tom White; 03-12-2008, 04:30 PM.

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                          • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                            Originally posted by Twes View Post
                            Is that "Pistol Pete" Jason Williams or shotgun Jason Williams?

                            The one that wears the Miami Heat uniform. Any other way I might describe him (or anyone else for that matter) might be construed as racist or bigoted or something else.

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                            • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                              Originally posted by Twes View Post
                              What's the test? Attendance?

                              Is the test of the "true sports town" a packed house regardless of the competitive level of the team?

                              When Indy teams make playoff runs the arenas are loud and packed.

                              Contrast that with Los Angeles in football or Atlanta in anything and I don't see this as such a bad sports town.

                              When I moved here 15 years ago I could walk up to the dome and buy tickets game day. Fans didn't know when to cheer and when to be quiet.

                              In the time I've been here the Pacers had a decade of playoff runs, made the finals, the Colts won a championship, Nascar came to town, Roy Jones fought here, etc etc.

                              If you're whole point is attendance should never drop then so be it.

                              I guess it's relative. To some of the places I've lived this is a great sports town.
                              Maybe you're right, I guess Indy is not truly a "bad" sports town, it's just almost every other city in the country, a bandwagon town. In fact, there's only one city that seems to have supported their teams through the thick and thin: Chicago. Of course even then, the White Sox had some problems with attendance and will probably see some more problems with attendance in the future. There are, however, franchises whose fanbase is made up of die hards who fill up the seats no matter how good or bad the team is, and I don't think one NBA team fits this mold (I would say the Jazz and the Bulls are the closest).

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                              • Re: IBJ: A "real" sports town wouldn't abandon the Pacers

                                Originally posted by Wu-Gambino View Post
                                Maybe you're right, I guess Indy is not truly a "bad" sports town, it's just almost every other city in the country, a bandwagon town. In fact, there's only one city that seems to have supported their teams through the thick and thin: Chicago. Of course even then, the White Sox had some problems with attendance and will probably see some more problems with attendance in the future. There are, however, franchises whose fanbase is made up of die hards who fill up the seats no matter how good or bad the team is, and I don't think one NBA team fits this mold (I would say the Jazz and the Bulls are the closest).
                                I also think of Green Bay in football. I think of the Cubs in Chicago.

                                I do understand the argument, the point about support.

                                I just see this area as a lifeblood of basketball support that the team is screwing up.

                                If they get this thing fixed the support will be fine.

                                Just my opinion.

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