2 down, 7 to go.
I want to get up after this game, but it was the Knicks. We looked inept for at least 24 minutes... luckily the Knicks were worse.
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The problem for the Pacers, other than not being very good is that they have 3 teams in front of them wanting to make the playoffs. New Jersey, Atlanta and Chicago. The seven
position is not possible almost. Philly is 1 game under .500. So if they play .500 ball the rest of the way and the Pacers win the rest of theirs then they can get number 7. That is not going to happen. At number 8 they have to make up three games on those three teams
in front of them. One team is possible, three is going to be very difficult.
I'd say that ATL just hopped into the lead car for the time being with
their 2nd straight road win tonight. Though they do have some tougher
home games left than the other 3 teams do.
Long way to go yet...
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Yeah, we can't really afford to lose many more...maybe twice more.
Wed 19 vs Charlotte - IN, 2nd of a 3 game home stand. Charlotte, final game of a 6 game road trip. Both teams played Monday & have Tuesday off. Pacers win
Fri 21 vs Minnesota IN, final game in a 3 game home stand. MN, 1 game road trip. Both teams play at home on Wed & both have Thursday off. Pacers win
Sat 22 @ Chicago IN, 1 game road trip. Chicago, 3rd of 4 at home. Pacers played the night before. Chicago has a day off. Pacers loose
Tue 25 vs New Orleans IN, 1 game back home. NO, 1st of 6 on the road. Both teams have 2 days off coming in. Pacers loose
Wed 26 @ New Jersey IN, 2nd of back to back. NJ plays Monday but has Tuesday off. Pacers loose
Fri 28 vs New Jersey Both teams have a days rest coming in. Pacers loose
Mon 31 vs Miami IN, 2nd of 2 home games. Miami, last of 4 game road trip. IN has 2 days rest. Miami played the night before in Boston. Pacers win
Wed 02 @ Boston IN, 1st of 2 games on the road. Boston, 1 game at home between road games. IN, has 1 days rest. Boston plays the night before in Chicago. Pacers loose
Fri 04 @ Milwaukee IN, 2nd in 2 game roaf trip. Milwaukee, lone home game between single game road trips. Both team have a day off coming in. Pacers loose
Sun 06 vs Milwaukee IN back home for 1st of 2. Milwaukee, 1 game road trip. Both teams play each other on Friday & both have an off day coming in. Pacers win
Tue 08 vs Atlanta IN, 2nd game in 2 game home stand. ATL, 2nd of 3 on the road. IN has a day off, ATL has 2 days between games. Pacers win
Fri 11 @ Philadelphia IN 1 game road trip. Phily, 3rd of 3 at home. IN has 2 days rest going in. Phily, has 3 days rest, plays Wed, has Thurs. off. Pacers loose
Sat 12 vs Charlotte IN, 1 game home stand. Charlotte, 2nd of 3 on th road. IN plays the night before in Phily. Charlotte has 2 days off coming in. Pacers loose
Mon 14 @ Washington IN, 1 game road trip. Wash, 2nd of 2 at home. Both teams play Sat & have Sunday off. Pacers loose
Wed 16 vs New York IN, 1 game rhome stand. NY, 1 game road trip. Both teams play Monday & have Tuesday off. Pacers win
Thats 6 more wins, counting the NY game from lastnight & thats 7 of the final 19. Our final record, 32-50. Both Kegboy & I predicted 32 W's at the last forum party.
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Wed 19 vs Charlotte - W
Fri 21 vs Minnesota - W
Sat 22 @ Chicago - W
Tue 25 vs New Orleans - L
Wed 26 @ New Jersey - L
Fri 28 vs New Jersey - W
Mon 31 vs Miami - W
Wed 02 @ Boston - L
Fri 04 @ Milwaukee - L
Sun 06 vs Milwaukee - W
Tue 08 vs Atlanta - W
Fri 11 @ Philadelphia - W
Sat 12 vs Charlotte - L
Mon 14 @ Washington - L
Wed 16 vs New York - W
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7-8 referred to DRAFT SPOT, not playoff spot.
So I was saying that they can either push for the 15 pick and a playoff spot OR the 8-10 pick. I don't see them getting worse or better than that. Either one is fine with me, at least in the sense that I don't see either situation dramatically better or worse than the other.
I like some kids in this draft, but outside of 7-8 you will need savvy and luck to get one that dramatically improves the team. I tout Rush (KS) and Love (UCLA) as good picks, but that isn't meant to imply major impact guys. I see them as foundation types, and at 10+ that's all you can expect (if that). And Rush isn't slotting as high as 15 anyway.
I don't think we'll be saying "oh, we really lost out in not getting Augustin, and that's a player I like. Honestly the aspect of Love and Rush I like most of all is the mental game, something the team sorely lacks at times.
This doesn't appear to be the year that the Pacers solve the "need a go-to star" situation.
HOLLINGER PROGRAM - 34 wins, 2 game out. ATL in, NJ, CHI out. Pacers pick 9 to 11 depending on tiebreakers.
This also means it's guessing an 8-7 finish for them.
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4-1 thus far on my predictions. I'm surprised we beat Charlotte as their talent level is clearly superior to ours. Not to mention their core players have just begun to tap into their full potential as opposed to ours, who asides from Danny and maybe Mike, are clearly on the downside of their career.
They'll keep plugging away the way they are for a good while before they hit their "downside", as you put it.
Probably the same with Jason Richardson and Gerald Wallace, might I add.
B O B C A T S
Raymond Felton - 23 years, 9 months
Jason Richardson - 27 years, 2 months
Gerald Wallace - 25 years, 8 months
Emeka Okafor - 25 years, 6 months
Sean May - 23 years, 11 months
Adam Morrison - 23 years, 8 months
Jared Dudley - 22 years, 8 months
Average - 24 years, 9 months
P A C E R S
Jamaal Tinsley - 30 years, 1 month
Mike Dunleavy - 27 years, 6 months
Danny Granger - 24 years, 11 months
Jermaine O'Neal - 29 years, 7 months
Jeff Foster - 31 years, 2 months
Troy Murphy - 27 years, 10 months
Shawne Williams - 22 years, 1 month
Average: 27 years, 10 months
We're talking just over a 3 year differential. That's fairly substantial, the difference between being a young team and not being a young team.
Charlotte's oldest "key" player is J-Rich who just recently turned 27. Everyone else is under 26. The Pacers best player (J.O.) will be 30 by the time next season starts and is already considered washed up by most fans. Two other starters are already over the age of 30. Only two are under the age of 27.
The Bobcats are younger, thus common sense would tell you (i) they have more room to improve individually, which will lead to improvement as a team, and (ii) they have a longer period of time before they start their physical decline. Another benefit Charlotte has is that their key players are all around the same age, meaning they'll be able to grow together and should all peak at around the same time. That's an underrated aspect of building a competitive team. On the other hand, by the time Granger has peaked, J.O. will probably be rolling around in a diamond-encrusted wheel chair, Foster will be in his mid-30's and on the verge of retirement, as will Tinsley, provided he's not in jail.
The Pacers are one of the most poorly constructed teams in the league. I'm a huge Pacer fan, but there's no point in being in denial about it, which I think a lot of fans are. You can't fix a problem until you first address the fact that there is a problem. Luckily it seems that ownership has finally accepted reality and is ready to do something about it.
I don't think anyone was talking about the Bobcats three years from now, they were talking about right now's Bobcats.
Say what you will, but the records of both teams are similar, and the Pacers are without 2 of the top guys that are supposed to fill into the equation.
Will the Bobcats be a better team in the future? I'd think so, with all their young talent. But of those top seven players Okafur/Morrison/May/Wallace all have a history of injury and they're all pretty young.
EDIT: How long has it been since we've had a 6-game stretch where we were over .500?
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I think the Bulls take us tomorrow and I think there's a good chance Atlanta beats us at home even in it's a big game at that point. Hawks aren't playing well but I think they're better than us. Bulls always give us fits due to all the long, large, athletic front liners they can run at us. They'll likely kill us on the boards and get themselves a ton of extra possessions off the offensive glass.
The only way I don't forsee the above road is if what we've seen this week is truly indicative of us coming together. Flip helps and DH has been steady for once. However, our three straight home wins over the sisters of the poor don't inspire me with supreme confidence. Our D still is the pits-see Minnesota's point total despite our W.
My cheering will be governed by my heart as opposed to my head, of course.
I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
And, look, I'm not tryna pick on the Bobcats kiddies. I actually like both Felton and May. I'm just saying that we have no idea if they'll ever be particularly good. They have Wallace and JRich who are both good-not-great guys who have already reached their ceilings (IMO) that will anchor the roster, but there's really no way to know if any of the other guys will become good enough to ever make them a multi-year playoff squad let alone a squad with ECF aspirations.
So while I've got nothing against spending a few years in the lottery if that's what it takes for an influx of talent, we all just need to realize that, like the Bobcats, getting a few more talented NCAA players into this franchise really gives us nothing but hope. I don't care how much anyone thinks these guys are "sure things." Aside from the Brons, Melos, Durants and Beasleys of the world, there are no sure things.
Of course, hope that we'll draft well and those guys will develop quickly is much better than what we currently have. But hope is only hope. Just ask Chicago.
Atlanta beat Orlando. Big win for u.., I mean, them.
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If we could win the next four...