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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • Anyone still want to make it?

    I know there are a lot of people out there who want to make the playoffs no matter what. I understand that mentality - you always want the team to be successful. Every year since I've been a fan (since '93-'94) I've wanted the P's to make the playoffs, but this year I don't.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not wanting the team to tank. On a game-by-game basis I'm always rooting for them to win. But in regard to the season as a whole, I'd rather miss the playoffs.

    What good does it do this team to make it? If we make it then in all likely-hood it means JO and Tinsley have come back and played a significant amount of games. This means that the younger guys are unlikely to get any playoff experience. Which is the only positive I can see to making it. Shawne would get less minutes and Ike would have no chance of playing if JO is back. This team isn't going to knock off Boston or Detroit. I find it unlikely we'd even take one game.

    If we make it, we get swept and get a mid 1st round draft pick. The cycle of perennial mediocrity begins.

    To get better you either need talent, or younger players with potential to trade for talent. We haven't got the necessary talent to get high talent back. We have a couple younger players who could bring back a little talent, or could blossom, but not enough.

    This team needs a high draft pick to either a) get a high talent player in the draft, b) trade the high pick for a talented player or c) trade the player we pick for talent.

    I love teams with heart. This team has got heart, but there simply isn't enough ability there. If we want to prevent being the next Milwaukee Bucks, we need to get some talent on this team. Making the playoffs will not achieve that.

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    Re: Anyone still want to make it?

    Not me. I haven't since we feel apart back in....well, I can't remember exactly, but once it became apparent we were no better than a .400 team. I want as high a pick as possible, and I want that franchise guard we've lacked since Reggie was still an All-Star. And if we can't get that, then I'll settle for a Thabeet or a Hibbert.

    I wish it didn't have to be this way.

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    • #3
      Re: Anyone still want to make it?

      Nope. And I'll be a Bulls fan tonight !

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      • #4
        Re: Anyone still want to make it?

        Yes, I do

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        • #5
          Re: Anyone still want to make it?

          I still want us to make the playoffs. And I still want us to win it all. Do I think we will, well, thats another story, but I want us to make the playoffs EVERY YEAR, all the way until the end.

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          • #6
            Re: Anyone still want to make it?

            I don't want to get in the playoffs by default....where all the teams are just falling apart and we're playing .400 basketball. If we started to click and actually looked like a team that can compete absolutely. But I think we're a few peices short from really being a "playoff team"

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            • #7
              Re: Anyone still want to make it?

              Mixed feelings about this. I want to make the playoffs as a serious contender. If our setup was a one and done deal, where anything could happen, then maybe. But over 7 games against Detroit? We'd get hammered, which I think would work against our confidence. All in all, for this season, I'd say no, because this is the draft to have a higher pick in.

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              • #8
                Re: Anyone still want to make it?

                Since I know the Pacers have absolutely no chance against Boston or Detroit...no!

                I always wanted them to make the Playoffs and - while watching a game - i'm also always rooting for them to win, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to get swept in the first round and then pick a player at no.15-20!

                I don't say they should tank, but to me, the best way to somehow "save" this season is simply to play the young guys!

                If we try to get to the 8th seed by giving Dunleavy, Murphy, O'neal and Tinsley 30 minutes/game for the rest of the season, then this whole season would have been a complete waste of time and talent!

                Right now, we're simply not good enough!

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                • #9
                  Re: Anyone still want to make it?

                  When the Pacers lost in Minnesota is when I really started losing hope for
                  this season.

                  At this point I would have to say I would rather see a high draft pick rather
                  than playoff appearance.

                  What I most definately do not want to see is for them to end up somewhere
                  in between ().

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                  • #10
                    Re: Anyone still want to make it?

                    Originally posted by Gyron View Post
                    I still want us to make the playoffs. And I still want us to win it all. Do I think we will, well, thats another story, but I want us to make the playoffs EVERY YEAR, all the way until the end.
                    I guess this is the opinion I want to expand on. Like I mentioned I definitely understand the desire to make it. I also understand the "bleed blue & gold" sentiment. I'm a Pacer fan 'till I die. But we have no chance to do anything this year, unless we make a miraculous turn-around.

                    It's not that I feel this team simply needs development time, I just don't think the group we have is good enough, no matter how hard they play or how well they're coached. We're missing pieces.

                    So I guess I just want to know why you have this feeling. If we have no chance this year (and I don't think anyone would think we do), don't you feel we'd be better served to miss it, upgrade our talent and spur some changes?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Anyone still want to make it?

                      Getting one more person in the draft is not going to be the saving grace of this organization. It rarely happens. Unless you have the top couple of picks. We aren't getting that.

                      And besides, ANYTHING can happen in the playoffs. Look at what the knicks did several years ago as an 8th seed, all the way to the finals.....

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                      • #12
                        Re: Anyone still want to make it?

                        Originally posted by pacerDU View Post
                        we make a miraculous turn-around.

                        that's what I'm rooting for.
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                        The Humans
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                        • #13
                          Re: Anyone still want to make it?

                          I like to watch the Pacers play. When I watch, I get upset when they play badly. With this group of guys, I think everybody plays hard and gives their all each night. They truly want to win. When I watch these guys play, I want them to win. Since winning will likely mean making the playoffs, I guess that means I want them to make the playoffs. All I know is that I'm not going to stop watching, and I'm not going to stop wanting them to win when I watch.
                          "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                          - Salman Rushdie

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                            Re: Anyone still want to make it?

                            Originally posted by Gyron View Post
                            Getting one more person in the draft is not going to be the saving grace of this organization. It rarely happens. Unless you have the top couple of picks. We aren't getting that.

                            And besides, ANYTHING can happen in the playoffs. Look at what the knicks did several years ago as an 8th seed, all the way to the finals.....
                            I still think we could make a draft night deal to move up, say we did make the playoffs and didn't have that high of a pick.

                            Seriously, people that think a 9-10 area draft pick is worth blowing the season for.....

                            Maybe like Gyron said, if we had 2 picks, but seriously we need to get our young core some playoff experience, IMO.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Anyone still want to make it?

                              Although I know that we would lose in 4-5 games against the Celtics or the Pistons.....I am okay with "still trying" only because we are 3 games out of the 7th and 8th place only because I think that JONeal will return and significantly improve our chances of making those games up.

                              IMHO....it's all about the $$$ and experience that Walsh thinks is important to developing our core players. Outside of the standard Donnie Walsh answer that giving Playoff experience to young players like Granger, Shawne, Dunleavy and Murphy is helpful in their development......don't we get to share in some Playoff $$$ if we make the Playoffs?

                              I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the motivations for TPTB....scrap for every bit of $$$ that they can get to makeup for all those empty chairs in Conseco Fieldhouse. However, I will admit that the difference between making the Playoffs and not is about 5 to 6 draft spots....which could mean the difference between getting a player like Mayo, Thabeet or ( even ) Gordon ( assuming that he drops ).....but maybe TPTB are thinking like Seth is....hope for a player like that but realistically aim for a player like Love or Augustine who will likely be available at the 15th spot.

                              But ask me the same question again when Tinsley returns and IF we start reverting back to JONeal/Tinsley "pounding the ball and killing whatever ball movement that we have".
                              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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