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    1 2 3 4 Total
    Toronto 19 35 23 25 102 Final
    Indiana 30 16 31 21 98
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    Toronto
    Starters Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
    A. Parker G 33:54 2-6 1-3 3-4 -3 2 11 4 2 0 1 1 3 8
    J. Calderon G 23:42 2-3 0-1 0-0 -10 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 2 4
    A. Bargnani C 20:05 1-5 0-3 0-0 -15 0 5 2 3 0 1 0 2 2
    C. Bosh F 36:38 7-15 0-0 10-10 +3 6 10 4 5 1 2 0 1 24
    J. Moon F 26:58 4-8 0-2 1-2 +4 0 2 1 0 1 1 0 4 9
    Bench Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
    C. Delfino 37:52 7-9 6-7 3-4 +13 0 5 1 3 0 1 0 3 23
    T.J. Ford 26:27 6-15 0-2 4-6 +11 2 5 7 2 0 0 2 3 16
    J. Kapono 23:03 2-6 0-0 5-5 +10 1 5 0 1 1 0 2 1 9
    K. Humphries 6:50 2-3 0-0 1-2 +2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 5
    R. Nesterovic 4:29 1-1 0-0 0-0 +5 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 2
    P. Brezec DNP - Coach's Decision
    J. Graham DNP - Coach's Decision
    Totals 34-71 7-18 27-33 11 46 20 17 3 7 5 20 102
    Percentages: .479 .389 .818 Team Rebounds: 6
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    Starters Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
    T. Diener G 38:57 2-10 2-4 1-2 -1 0 4 5 0 0 1 0 2 7
    K. Rush G 38:01 5-11 3-6 0-0 -2 1 4 2 0 2 0 0 4 13
    T. Murphy C 31:25 5-9 0-1 7-7 +3 0 4 7 2 0 0 2 4 17
    M. Dunleavy F 34:43 8-19 1-5 0-0 +1 1 2 3 3 0 0 1 6 17
    D. Granger F 30:19 7-14 4-8 2-2 -2 2 10 0 2 0 0 1 5 20
    Bench Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
    M. Daniels 25:56 8-12 0-2 4-4 -4 2 4 0 1 3 0 0 3 20
    J. Foster 22:15 0-3 0-0 0-0 0 4 7 1 0 1 2 0 2 0
    S. Williams 13:06 1-6 0-1 0-0 -10 1 3 0 0 0 2 2 1 2
    D. Harrison 5:15 1-3 0-0 0-0 -5 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 2
    I. Diogu DNP - Coach's Decision
    S. Graham DNP - Coach's Decision
    A. Owens DNP - Coach's Decision
    Totals 37-87 10-27 14-15 11 39 19 8 6 5 7 27 98
    Percentages: .425 .370 .933 Team Rebounds: 3
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    Technical Fouls: None
    Arena: Conseco Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN

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    Seriously, JOB is a bad coach. Truly bad. We run a Rush ISO down by 3 with 13 seconds left so he can manage a contested 3 attempt? That's our play?

    Murphy plays out of his mind, 17 points on 9 attempts, and he's not even in the game towards the end? Granger, our best player, doesn't even touch the ball on the last possession?

    Our rotations are bad. Our plays don't exist. JOB is a dolt.

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    Default Re: Pacers vs. Raptors Post-Game 57: Toronto 102, Indiana 98

    Nah man, he's definitely among the Coach of the Year candidates.

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    Delfino had one of those games, I see....

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    Delfino had one of those games, I see....
    I could probably go out there right now and drop 20 on the Pacers.

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    It didn't help that Delfino was wide open most of the evening, I mean, he did good to knock the shots down, but it's not like we were trying to hinder the process.

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    It didn't help that Delfino was wide open most of the evening, I mean, he did good to knock the shots down, but it's not like we were trying to hinder the process.
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    I don't wanna alarm anybody, but I'm starting to think we suck.

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    I don't wanna alarm anybody, but I'm starting to think we suck.
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    The usual-early hot streak, mid-game drought, late-game choke.I liked the effort. Didn't like the result.

    Want my thoughts on O'Brien, see the vote of confidence thread. None of the coaching complaints surprise me.

    Bottom line, though, we're playing with one of the lesser talented and dependable rosters in the league.

    I don't really think JT and JO change our recent results all that much if they're playing.

    Murphy and Quis played well. Diener and Rush getting good experience for, hopefully, their future bench roles. Dun and Danny solid as usual, but no impact down the stretch.
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    Poor last play. Shocked me.

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    I don't wanna alarm anybody, but I'm starting to think we suck.

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    Seriously, JOB is a bad coach. Truly bad. We run a Rush ISO down by 3 with 13 seconds left so he can manage a contested 3 attempt? That's our play?

    Murphy plays out of his mind, 17 points on 9 attempts, and he's not even in the game towards the end? Granger, our best player, doesn't even touch the ball on the last possession?

    Our rotations are bad. Our plays don't exist. JOB is a dolt.
    rush likes them contested, the man needs hardly any room. thats the play id have run too
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    wow look at that 2nd quarter...
    *shakes head*
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    I don't wanna alarm anybody, but I'm starting to think we suck.
    someone had to say it...I mean we played really well tonight. And even then we still can't win a game on our home court.
    Ps. Our defensive schemes suck
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    That final play was horrible. "Like them contested"? Hey, maybe try to get one that isn't contested for one of your hot players with, I don't know, A PLAY?

    This was a pass and screen, jack up so early in the clock that if you hit it you are still going to lose. 13 seconds left. It was dumbfounding.

    Not only that, but down 4 they run it up, passed to a now wide open Rush where it was critical to get a shot up ASAP since you still need to foul and score again. What's Rush do this time? Passes back to Diener. I mean good lord WTF?!?!


    Murphy, Danny, Foster, Quis - outstanding. Quis found his inside scoring magic again, he's coming out of that slump.

    Troy is playing out of his freaking mind. He's been as good lately as he was poor for the first few months. I'm really impressed. I assume it's just a streak, but I hope it's more than that.

    I mean I'm really happy when I see him out there and getting the ball. The guy has a dunk off dribble in about every game the last 2-3 weeks it seems.

    Poor Danny, seems like he's asked to do nearly everything at both ends. He was clearly frustrated near the end of the game, and I think it was with his own team.


    JOB - don't defend that last play call because it was an identical match for the horrible offense of the entire 2nd quarter. No plays, all cheap isos, bad. And I know they have plays because he did sneak some in from time to time.

    I did like him going zone in the 4th, that seemed to help. They also closed or defended the corner much better than they have been.


    Diener - train wreck of a game. Ford looked his best when he just iso'd on him.

    Rush, Dun - continue to slump and have low impact on games. Rush's line was saved by a few early makes. I couldn't tell you when Dun got any of his numbers in this game. I could tell you when he helped guys like Delfino get his.

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    Do you guys actually think that JO'b got the shot that he wanted on the last possession? He's stupid if he did, and I don't think he's stupid. I'll give it to you that there wasn't much of a play run, but we should be killing Rush just as much as we are O'Brien. He's the one that took a contested shot with 13 seconds left in the game. It's not like Jim said "Kareem, you take this shot no matter what, and I want you to take it with some time left so they have a chance to win." Rush should have passed the ball, we had 3 other decent shooters on the floor.

    My main O'Brien complaint of the night was that Murphy was guarding Bosh while Granger was guarding Bargnani. I know that Danny's not a great post-defender, but it's not like Murphy is either. Also, when Foster came in the game, Murphy was still on Bosh a lot. Later in the game, Dun was guarding Bosh. I know our defense involves a lot of switching, but that's a bit ridiculous.

    I'm getting sick of our defense. I watch Purdue or the Pistons play and I see 5 guys playing aggressive man-to-man defense and creating turnovers and contesting nearly every shot. Then I watch Carlos Delfino shoot at least 5 wide open 3 pointers with no one even in sight of him. I don't want a system that compensates for poor individual defensive players. I want good individual defenders.

    I'm also sick of all our stupid fouls. Shawne and Kareem are the kings of this. When Williams fouled Delfino at the end of the first half is a perfect example. There was 0.4 seconds left on the clock, Delfino was at a full-bore, out-of-control sprint, and Rush and somebody else were both behind Shawne, ready to contest the shot, but Shawne fouls and Delfino's on the line. He and Kareem also give up a ton of "and 1" plays where they foul the guy on a layup that he'd make even if they tackled him.

    Murphy really needs to develop one go-to move in the post. He's been great with jump shots and off the dribble, but once people figure his game out and start guarding him with smaller guys, he has no way to take advantage of the mismatch. He's young, we should teach him a jump hook.

    Our PG defense, especially on Ford, was terrible and cost us the game, again.

    I have to eat a little crow and say that Calderon's defense is not quite as good as I thought it was. He does a pretty good job in the half court, but Diener blew by him quite a few times in the open court.

    I keep watching and cheering (actually, swearing is more common), but I'm not sure how much hope I have left.
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    Seriously, JOB is a bad coach. Truly bad. We run a Rush ISO down by 3 with 13 seconds left so he can manage a contested 3 attempt? That's our play?

    JOB is a dolt.
    It is not reasonable to call O'Brien a dolt. NBA teams sometinmes win games with a 3-pointer at (or near) the end. O'Brien called for a set that allowed Kareem to shoot as one of several options. If the shot from Kareem had gone in -- as it nearly did -- the Pacers might have won. We have no reason to say that O'Brien called for the exact play that happened.

    Dece implies that O'Brien called for something crazy, like dribbling to the far end and shooting from 100 feet away. That isn't what happened. Post #19 ^^^ looks more reasonably at the last play.

    Anyway, I look at this game and I see Granger's 20-10. I see 5 players with 10 or more points. I see only 8 TOs. I see .933 from the free throw line. Not everything was bad. We are a weak team and we are going to lose most of the time. Why act indignant?
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    Do you guys actually think that JO'b got the shot that he wanted on the last possession? He's stupid if he did, and I don't think he's stupid. I'll give it to you that there wasn't much of a play run, but we should be killing Rush just as much as we are O'Brien. He's the one that took a contested shot with 13 seconds left in the game. It's not like Jim said "Kareem, you take this shot no matter what, and I want you to take it with some time left so they have a chance to win." Rush should have passed the ball, we had 3 other decent shooters on the floor.
    That's no fun, and makes entirely too much sense. Away with you, sir!

    However, I can't let O'Brien totally off the hook. I knew we had 0 likelihood of attacking the basket, and said essentially that to Gnome right before the play started. It had a 3 point chuck written all over it. But, that doesn't mean Jim is stupid enough to say what you wrote above, I agree with that 100%.

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    After watching the trainwreck of an OT during the Phoenix game with Tinsley, I wouldn't be surprised if JOB just went to the locker room at the end of games and set out a cardboard cutout of himself.

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    y main O'Brien complaint of the night was that Murphy was guarding Bosh while Granger was guarding Bargnani. I know that Danny's not a great post-defender, but it's not like Murphy is either. Also, when Foster came in the game, Murphy was still on Bosh a lot. Later in the game, Dun was guarding Bosh. I know our defense involves a lot of switching, but that's a bit ridiculous.
    I keep on saying this.....but I would live with 5 quick fouls from Harrison guarding Bosh in the Low-Post then have Bosh continually own Murphy in the Post. Harrison maybe a "5 quick fouls in 10-15 minutes" type of player....but his wide frame in the Low-Post is very difficult to score on when a player is trying to post him up.

    I'm not saying that Harrison is any long-term solution to our interior defense until JONeal returns.....but he's a quick stop-gap solution that can be used to cool players down that keep on attacking the post or the basket.
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    Look at the video clip on Pacers.com on Rush's shot and you'll notice only one guy in position to rebound - Granger, Daniels, and Diener were all on the perimeter when the shot went up.

    Very telling.

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    Wait a second, Troy Murphy got 7 assists? What happened? Did Bill Walton tie up Murphy in a closet and steal his uniform?

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