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    Default This summer will be interesting.

    I know it's not close to summer time yet, but I think this summer is going to be extremely busy for the Pacers.

    Yes Bird thinks the Pacers have talent and a decent nucleus, but he's not blind or deaf to the things that are going on. It will not be a summer of will Bird make a move/moves? It will be a summer of what kind of moves Bird makes.

    The best thing that can happen for the Pacers is for JO and Tinsley to come back this season, play well and NOT get hurt again. I know that will be hard, but I get the feeling those 2 are gone no matter what.

    This stretch of JO and Tinsley being hurt has really showed Bird what pieces we need moving forward.

    Granger and Dunleavy are going to be our wings, and rightfully so after the season they're putting together, what it will come down to will be what to surround them with at the PG, PF, and C positions.

    Diener is going to be the backup PG, and I think he's played well enough for that.

    Murph will probably be around just because he is probably the most unmovable in my eyes.

    Unsure about Foster, I would like to have him around, but that will depend on what's offered for him.

    Shawne will be back, as will Rush if he asks for something reasonable.

    I think JO, Tinsley, Quis, and Ike will be gone.

    The value we get for them, and what we do in the draft, will be HUGE for the Pacers organization.

    I have a feeling it will be that type of summer!
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    Wish I had your enthusiasm, but I fear something akin to Stanko's Russian Diner 2.
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    I was hoping that there would be some major change last offseason too...and the best we got was Diener and Rush.

    Both are great signings....but it wasn't the type of change that I was hoping for.

    We did change the Coach and offense....but we're not any better then before.

    I can hope that there will be change and that TPTB recognizes that we need defensive minded players....but we'll probably just sign more shooters to try to shoot more 3pt shots.
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    This is a good thread to discuss what the Pacers need. They need lots of things but
    center and point guard are two pressing needs. The guards will be most likely gone at
    9 which is as high as the Pacers are likely to get. Personally Thabeet seems like a good
    choice. Through trades maybe they can pick up another player in this draft.
    Love is good and Patterson out of Kentucky for power forward. I am not familiar with the
    guards that are out there outside of the top three.
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    I know it's not close to summer time yet, but I think this summer is going to be extremely buys for the Pacers.
    I don't know why you'd think this summer would be any different than the last couple.

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    We'll see.

    Once J.O. accept's his option, his trde value should go up. It'll also be one less year on the contracts of J.O., Tinsley, and Murphy making them at least a little more tradeable.

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    I'm looking forward to the summer as well, I hate this ****ing snow!

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    Let me predict next summer/year:

    Lots of mentions of Pacers in trades.

    Wherever we draft, the team will report being surprised that player fell to us.

    Our team will be entering training camp as healthy as they have ever been it will be reported.

    JO will proclaim himself in tremendous shape and ready to lead this team and get back to an All-Star level. His knee will not be an issue.

    Rush probably won't be re-signed because someone else was willing to pay more.

    By the preseason, JO will be sitting out a game (or games) but it will be reported to be nothing serious... nor will it be reported to have anything to do with his knee (altho fans will note ice on his knee during the 1st preseason game)

    Tinsley will suffer from an early season suspension, injury, illness... pick one or more!

    JO will shoot a poor percentage from the floor and look slow with little lift.... and begin sitting out random games. The ice pack will be seen often. His trade value will plummet to new lows.

    Crowds will dwindle to historic lows. A fickle fanbase will be blamed.

    We'll have a similar record to this year by the All-Star break... and still be fighting for the 8th seed!

    We'll stand pat at the trading deadline but talk of potential summer deals will be hinted at in the presser on the following day.

    We'll finish the year 32-50 (and be in the thick of the playoff hunt right down to the final month).

    And someone will post a thread talking about how interesting (and active) the summer is going to be for the Pacers

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    Let me predict next summer/year:

    Lots of mentions of Pacers in trades.

    Wherever we draft, the team will report being surprised that player fell to us.

    Our team will be entering training camp as healthy as they have ever been it will be reported.

    JO will proclaim himself in tremendous shape and ready to lead this team and get back to an All-Star level. His knee will not be an issue.

    Rush probably won't be re-signed because someone else was willing to pay more.

    By the preseason, JO will be sitting out a game (or games) but it will be reported to be nothing serious... nor will it be reported to have anything to do with his knee (altho fans will note ice on his knee during the 1st preseason game)

    Tinsley will suffer from an early season suspension, injury, illness... pick one or more!

    JO will shoot a poor percentage from the floor and look slow with little lift.... and begin sitting out random games. The ice pack will be seen often. His trade value will plummet to new lows.

    Crowds will dwindle to historic lows. A fickle fanbase will be blamed.

    We'll have a similar record to this year by the All-Star break... and still be fighting for the 8th seed!

    We'll stand pat at the trading deadline but talk of potential summer deals will be hinted at in the presser on the following day.

    We'll finish the year 32-50 (and be in the thick of the playoff hunt right down to the final month).

    And someone will post a thread talking about how interesting (and active) the summer is going to be for the Pacers

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    Sounds about right. I keep hoping the Pacers will win the lottery, but I think the Knicks have already been guaranteed that.
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    Let me predict next summer/year:

    Lots of mentions of Pacers in trades.

    Wherever we draft, the team will report being surprised that player fell to us.

    Our team will be entering training camp as healthy as they have ever been it will be reported.

    JO will proclaim himself in tremendous shape and ready to lead this team and get back to an All-Star level. His knee will not be an issue.

    Rush probably won't be re-signed because someone else was willing to pay more.

    By the preseason, JO will be sitting out a game (or games) but it will be reported to be nothing serious... nor will it be reported to have anything to do with his knee (altho fans will note ice on his knee during the 1st preseason game)

    Tinsley will suffer from an early season suspension, injury, illness... pick one or more!

    JO will shoot a poor percentage from the floor and look slow with little lift.... and begin sitting out random games. The ice pack will be seen often. His trade value will plummet to new lows.

    Crowds will dwindle to historic lows. A fickle fanbase will be blamed.

    We'll have a similar record to this year by the All-Star break... and still be fighting for the 8th seed!

    We'll stand pat at the trading deadline but talk of potential summer deals will be hinted at in the presser on the following day.

    We'll finish the year 32-50 (and be in the thick of the playoff hunt right down to the final month).

    And someone will post a thread talking about how interesting (and active) the summer is going to be for the Pacers

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    Let me predict next summer/year:

    Lots of mentions of Pacers in trades.

    Wherever we draft (6th), the team will report being surprised that player fell to us (Chase Budinger) leaving EJ on the board.

    Our team will be entering training camp as healthy as they have ever been it will be reported.

    JO will proclaim himself in tremendous shape and ready to lead this team and get back to an All-Star level. His knee will not be an issue.

    Rush probably won't be re-signed because someone else was willing to pay more.

    By the preseason, JO will be sitting out a game (or games) but it will be reported to be nothing serious... nor will it be reported to have anything to do with his knee (altho fans will note ice on his knee during the 1st preseason game)

    Tinsley will suffer from an early season suspension, injury, illness... pick one or more! In an unprecidented move, Jamaal Tinsley councels DunDun about Mike's offcourt antics after Mike gets caught with crack cocaine at Dancers on the westside, with possession of a hangun registered in Stephen Jackson's name. Mike claims he was holding the coke for Troy. Bird vows to make Mike and Troy pay for their mistake with a 2 game suspension and 25K fine a piece, claiming "Mike was in the wrong place at the wrong time".

    JO will shoot a poor percentage from the floor and look slow with little lift.... and begin sitting out random games. The ice pack will be seen often. His trade value will plummet to new lows.

    Crowds will dwindle to historic lows. A fickle fanbase will be blamed.

    We'll have a similar record to this year by the All-Star break... and still be fighting for the 8th seed!

    We'll stand pat at the trading deadline but talk of potential summer deals will be hinted at in the presser on the following day.

    We'll finish the year 32-50 (and be in the thick of the playoff hunt right down to the final month).

    And someone will post a thread talking about how interesting (and active) the summer is going to be for the Pacers

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    Let me predict next summer/year:

    Wherever we draft, the team will report being surprised that Small Forward fell to us.

    Rush probably won't be re-signed because Andre Owens is given a large extended contract

    Our 2nd round pick is proclaimed to be as good as our 1st round pick. He is later released (from prison)

    To make up for the above, Stephen Graham is traded to Phoenix for a 2nd round pick
    All fixed now.

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    I just think the picture is finally clear to those in the front office. Though some may have seem the picture a little sooner then others, I think the painting or writing on the wall is finally complete.

    I actually think it was a good thing to hang on to JO. Maybe he'll return late in the season and salvage some of his trade value. Though a lot of us were hoping for any type of trade to bring a spark or freshness to the Pacers, I think the majority of us can agree that the trade we had heard thrown out there weren't anything to get excited about.

    Teams will be a lot more willing to make moves after their season ends earlier then expected. Yeah you had those teams who tried to make a move to become better now, but there will be even more willing to deal once they don't win the Championship or make the playoffs.

    There's also teams who will be willing to give up draft picks then as well. Some teams don't need their picks, or prefer proven players whether then taking a chance on potential developing.

    Look at Jason Richardson to Charlotte and Ray Allen to Boston.

    Look at Phoenix dealing their picks last year.

    Look at Portland being able to unload Randolph.

    Things will get done this summer, but that doesn't mean we'll like the moves.

    Like Bird said, he wants to win now, so I believe he'll attempt to make some moves that do that.

    One thing already on our side, is we have our 1st round pick this year. No matter where that ends up landing, it'll be a valuable piece.


    You can really start looking at the draft already and wonder what's going to happen. There's 3-4 PGs prospects due to go early, Rose, Mayo, Bayless, Gordon (yes he'll have to play PG).

    And after those 4, they're are still some pretty good PGs out there in Augustin, Collison, Lawson

    And a lot of the teams before us will have decisions to make. Miami has Wade and will probably go Rose unless they get the number 1.

    Twolves have Foye, will they take another PG..possibly Seattle has Watson and Ridnour, guessing one of them would be traded

    Memphis has Conley, Lowry and Crittendon, would they take another PG? The Knicks may take one, though they need a lot of things

    The Clippers will probably take one for Livingston insurance. The Bucks have Mo Williams, will they draft one?

    Then Charlotte has Felton, what will they draft?

    They'll be plenty of questions this summer and during the draft, and I think the Pacers will be right in the mix of things. I think Bird will finally make his stamp on this franchise
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    Like Bird said, he wants to win now, so I believe he'll attempt to make some moves that do that.

    One thing already on our side, is we have our 1st round pick this year. No matter where that ends up landing, it'll be a valuable piece.
    Not if we trade the pick away because Larry wants to "win now."
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    Not if we trade the pick away because Larry wants to "win now."
    It depends on whom we trade the pick for, and it's still more valuable then 11th pick the Hawks had last year!

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    I couldn't state my thoughts any better than Bball just did.

    I just want to know why we aren't calling for Bird's head yet. He has been a complete failure.

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    I couldn't state my thoughts any better than Bball just did.

    I just want to know why we aren't calling for Bird's head yet. He has been a complete failure.
    I'd love to hear some "Fire Bird!" chants started at Conseco.

    Someone already registered http://firelarrybird.com last June.
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    Gordon isn't and won't be a PG at the NBA level. He may try and
    play some there. But he'll be drafted as a SG. And Mayo and
    Bayless will be drafted as guys who can be combo guys that
    might eventually be full time PGs.

    After Rose, while he'll go after the others above, Augustine
    is probably the next best 'pure' PG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajah Brown View Post
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    Gordon isn't and won't be a PG at the NBA level. He may try and
    play some there. But he'll be drafted as a SG. And Mayo and
    Bayless will be drafted as guys who can be combo guys that
    might eventually be full time PGs.

    After Rose, while he'll go after the others above, Augustine
    is probably the next best 'pure' PG.
    They can be drafted as combo guards, a combo guard still plays some point. Pure point? Of course not, but some point. As long as they can create for themselves and teammates is all that matters

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    I want to believe this summer will finally bring some substantive change, but the track record doesn't leave one optimistic, as Bball notes.

    Now that Bird per his press conf. has had the "revelation" that this core (whatever he defines it as) isn't sufficient to get it done, it seems something could occur.

    Some here are already calling our FO's performance a joke. My feeling is they have until Nov. 1 of next year to put their money where the mouth is-if that means taking Fritos for Tins and Cornflakes for JO, so be it-to finally change the core that Bird only apparently realized was inadequate.

    Other, dare I say, aggresive or risky moves would not be unwelcome in addition to those allude to above. Something along the lines of moving one of our 875 SFs, some of whom actually have value, to improve another area of need.
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    I want to believe this summer will finally bring some substantive change, but the track record doesn't leave one optimistic, as Bball notes.

    Now that Bird per his press conf. has had the "revelation" that this core (whatever he defines it as) isn't sufficient to get it done, it seems something could occur.

    Some here are already calling our FO's performance a joke. My feeling is they have until Nov. 1 of next year to put their money where the mouth is-if that means taking Fritos for Tins and Cornflakes for JO, so be it-to finally change the core that Bird only apparently realized was inadequate.

    Other, dare I say, aggresive or risky moves would not be unwelcome in addition to those allude to above. Something along the lines of moving one of our 875 SFs, some of whom actually have value, to improve another area of need.
    See, my problem is that this was the attitude mostly expressed when we were wanting SJax gone. The thing about that is, you're the one that's going to have to eat the Fritos and Cornflakes (generally in the form of a player who either sucks, has a long contract, or both), and it's not very easy to shove them over on someone else's plate down the line. Larry will need a couple of offseasons before we can fully judge him, because he's going to have to come out from under the mountainous contracts we have in order to do anything. They aren't close enough to a championship for the owners to be willing to go over the luxury tax threshold for players. We're going to have to be patient. Unless we luck out and get the top pick, it will have to be through the draft and trades (which you have to watch out for, especially when other teams are trying to offer you Fritos and Corn Flakes for your best players).
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    I was watching the Bulls last night and the commentators pointed out that the Bulls are a jump shooting team and need a strong offensive post threat.


    Does anyone here have an opinion on whether Chicago would be a good trading partner with the Pacers regarding O'Neal? They don't have too many expiring contracts besides Gooden and Gordon, who both would need to be resigned.

    Thoughts?

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    I was watching the Bulls last night and the commentators pointed out that the Bulls are a jump shooting team and need a strong offensive post threat.


    Does anyone here have an opinion on whether Chicago would be a good trading partner with the Pacers regarding O'Neal? They don't have too many expiring contracts besides Gooden and Gordon, who both would need to be resigned.

    Thoughts?
    I would love a sign and trade for Gordon and there pick but I don't know what they would have to make the salaries match.

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    I was watching the Bulls last night and the commentators pointed out that the Bulls are a jump shooting team and need a strong offensive post threat.


    Does anyone here have an opinion on whether Chicago would be a good trading partner with the Pacers regarding O'Neal? They don't have too many expiring contracts besides Gooden and Gordon, who both would need to be resigned.

    Thoughts?
    If they had the exiring contracts to do that, they would have been the ones who got Pau Gasol. They might be willing to take Jermaine, but get ready for Larry Hughes and his contract coming back the other way.

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    I think the issue is not as much as management not wanting to change the core of the roster radically, but much more the core of the roster beying virtually immovable without taking an enormous ****load of crap back. And while that is fine with me with Jamaal, it's not with JO. He hasn't got the trade value what he used to had, but he has to play a part of the season to show that he still can.

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