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  • #16
    Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

    I just have a hunch Gordon is gonna be a semi-bust. Not a huge bust, like Tskitishvili, but a guy who never becomes a great talent. On the level with say, Ben Gordon. He just seems so one dimensional, add in the fact that he's undersized and it makes it all the more bothersome.

    I prefer both Bayless and Mayo. Mayo has better size and a more complete game, Bayless has Gordon's shooting/scoring ability but with the skills to be a point guard in the NBA. Gordon's strictly an undersized SG. That worries me. He seems more likely to end up the next Fred Jones than the next Dwyane Wade. Of course, if he measures in at 6'4" or better I may change my mind.
    Last edited by Kofi; 02-17-2008, 04:02 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

      Gordon is one dimensional? How so? Cause he's not a very good PG and a very good SG? He is the most complete scorer in college basketball. He's a better shooter than Mayo and he is as good a finisher as just about anyone you will find. I don't know how you can call Eric Gordon one dimensional with a straight face. Guys like JJ Redick are one dimensional.

      I think some of you have seen Gordon play so much now that you've become desensitized to how good the kid really is.


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      • #18
        Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

        Originally posted by Indy View Post
        Mayo? That guy's stock is falling faster than Enron's right now.
        My thoughts on him are well documented everywhere on PD probably even more than my thoughts on Gordon. I'll just put this simply, anyone who thinks you should draft Mayo over Gordon is probably nuts and on top of that anyone who thinks THE PACERS should draft Mayo over Gordon is certifiable.
        If you guys thought Jackson was a headache just wait until Mayo hits the scene.

        Here are some things to chew on...
        Gordon averages more PPG on a better shooting percentage (47% vs. 44%) in less minutes per game (33 vs. 36). Their A/T ratios are nearly identical with Mayo being only slightly better. (.73 vs. .8) which isn't exactly enough to blow me out of the water considering Mayo is supposed to be a PG in the NBA while most believe that Gordon couldn't play that position if his life depended on it. Gordon's PPS is 1.66 while Mayo's is 1.24. Gordon's team is 21-4 and 10-2 in conference while Mayo's team is 15-8 and 6-5 in conference. Gordon shoots 85% from the FT line while Mayo shoots 77%. Gordon shoots 40% from 3 while Mayo shoots 37%.
        Thats not even beginning to adress the issue that Mayo is a freakin' head case. This is a guy who went to FOUR high schools in FOUR years and I don't care how anyone wants to spin it. That is a BAD thing.
        I'm just curious, since you are closer to the scene than we are; is Mayo really a potential headcase? Because I was one that thought his perimeter scoring would be great in this offense. But all of my desires are based off of box scores the next morning. We don't hear locker room grumblings, or any of that. Is Mayo a player you think we should steer clear of?

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        • #19
          Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

          Mayo has had his issues with authority. He even completely controlled his recruitment. Basically telling Floyd that he was going to recruit to USC and that he would call him about it and not vice-versa. He is an attention whore who doesn't care about winning is what that tells me. To me Mayo is not just a potential problem, he will almost certainly find trouble one way or another.


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          • #20
            Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

            Originally posted by Indy View Post
            Mayo has had his issues with authority. He even completely controlled his recruitment. Basically telling Floyd that he was going to recruit to USC and that he would call him about it and not vice-versa. He is an attention whore who doesn't care about winning is what that tells me. To me Mayo is not just a potential problem, he will almost certainly find trouble one way or another.
            Agreed. The last thing we need is Ron Artest Jr. Have we learned nothing from the past three years?

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            • #21
              Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

              Originally posted by HeartlandFan View Post
              Just curious, but why? Rose has been just as inconsistent on a team that is more talented.
              Inconsistent as EJ, yes. Team more talented...not by all that much. Of all the top teams I expect Memphis to fall first. They've faced a couple of challenges well so far but not nearly as many as other teams, especially Pac 10 or Big East teams.


              Mayo's not getting picked ahead of EJ. NO ONE thinks that, at least not serious mock drafters, scouts, etc. But Mayo does show a pretty fluid game and the willingness and ability to D up, more than Rose or EJ have shown for sure (on D).

              You want head case? Bill Walker, or as I'm going to start calling him, Stephen Jackson Jr. Tons of attitude during games, bad shot selection and periods of token effort away from the ball.


              BTW, AJ Price has a much worse history than Mayo but it's pretty clear that he makes a prime example that kids can learn and turn a corner. Right now that's reflected in his greatly improving draft stock and general buzz as the top Big East PG. I'd take him on the Pacers in a heartbeat.
              Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 02-18-2008, 12:52 AM.

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              • #22
                Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                Mayo got shut down by UCLA tonight, but that was because they put Westbrook on him tight and then doubled as much as possible when he got the ball with guys like Collison. They basically said Mayo wouldn't beat them no matter what, and USC nearly won the game anyway.

                Love solid game. Shipp meh outing. Mayo did pull in 9 rebounds and if you saw any of the game as per his norm Mayo ran around screens like Rip or Reggie, UCLA just wouldn't give him space no matter what it cost them.

                And you still take EJ or Bayless even over Mayo IMO. Don't let my Mayo support mislead you. I'm just saying that expecting him to flop or be a major head case doesn't match what he's shown so far at USC. He does tend to force the action and sometimes shoot too much, but then his team is not nearly as talented as a UCLA or Wash St.
                Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 02-18-2008, 01:04 AM.

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                • #23
                  Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                  [QUOTE=Indy;657891] Basically telling Floyd that he was going to recruit to USC and that he would call him about it and not vice-versa. [QUOTE]


                  He stated that he would get players to go to USC. I had nothing wrong with what he said. Players recruit players... happens in the NBA, happens in college, even happens in AAU and high school.

                  I've thought that EJ and his father have played the media more than Mayo.

                  I think the EJ is the far superior outside shooter and is excellent coming off screens. Mayo has him beat in ball handling skills, though. So it comes down to what you want.

                  Actually, it comes down more so to where you pick. Outside of the top 4, I don't think EJ will be available. 4-10, Mayo could be there.

                  Could take a solid PG prospect like Bayless and pair them with Daniels at the 2...

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                  • #24
                    Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                    [quote=iPACER;658086][quote=Indy;657891] Basically telling Floyd that he was going to recruit to USC and that he would call him about it and not vice-versa.


                    He stated that he would get players to go to USC. I had nothing wrong with what he said. Players recruit players... happens in the NBA, happens in college, even happens in AAU and high school.

                    I've thought that EJ and his father have played the media more than Mayo.

                    I think the EJ is the far superior outside shooter and is excellent coming off screens. Mayo has him beat in ball handling skills, though. So it comes down to what you want.

                    Actually, it comes down more so to where you pick. Outside of the top 4, I don't think EJ will be available. 4-10, Mayo could be there.

                    Could take a solid PG prospect like Bayless and pair them with Daniels at the 2...
                    the "better ball handler" averages slightly more turnovers a game and had 10 tos tonite...just throwin that out there
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                    • #25
                      Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                      Originally posted by Indy View Post
                      Mayo has had his issues with authority. He even completely controlled his recruitment. Basically telling Floyd that he was going to recruit to USC and that he would call him about it and not vice-versa. He is an attention whore who doesn't care about winning is what that tells me. To me Mayo is not just a potential problem, he will almost certainly find trouble one way or another.
                      I like Mayo's game as well. I know about the whole recruitment thing. He called Floyd and said he was coming to USC, basically to establish his celebrity. That certainly says he's a prima donna of sorts, but is there real trouble he's been in? I don't know of any scrapes with the law or anything like that. I'm not saying having a me first player is ideal, but he's not Jackson or Tinsley.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                        Originally posted by HeartlandFan View Post
                        Just curious, but why? Rose has been just as inconsistent on a team that is more talented.
                        gordan is effective and more 'razzledazzle' for 'right now'. but in a long run rose will be a true point guard who could lead the team to a championship whatever team he is in.(would like to see him in the NCAA FINALS) it seems tigers style is a passing game so there's no need for rose to read the game or to A-pass.

                        most of all it's in my GUTS. no logic.(Though i watch every game gordan and rose plays) afterall gordan and rose was both born in 1988. younger than me.(man i'm getting older lol) there are plenty of room and years to grow. but considering the injury history(only months. didn't track down the history in high school dyas) and pacers NEED i pick rose. it's just IMO. total
                        Last edited by underwave; 02-18-2008, 07:42 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                          Originally posted by tdubb03 View Post
                          I like Mayo's game as well. I know about the whole recruitment thing. He called Floyd and said he was coming to USC, basically to establish his celebrity. That certainly says he's a prima donna of sorts, but is there real trouble he's been in? I don't know of any scrapes with the law or anything like that. I'm not saying having a me first player is ideal, but he's not Jackson or Tinsley.
                          Having to change high schools four times in four years doesn't bother you? Thats a HUGE red flag to me. Especially because the schools were basically making him leave.


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                          • #28
                            Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                            Originally posted by Robertmto View Post
                            the "better ball handler" averages slightly more turnovers a game and had 10 tos tonite...just throwin that out there
                            If you watch them play, EJ has a tendency to lose the ball driving the lane... For someone who is a SG and great shooter, shouldn't he have a lot fewer TO's than Mayo, who handles the ball a lot more?

                            Mayo is impressive when handling the ball in traffic.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                              I would say the Pacer's won't take Mayo even if available. Remember they didn't take Marcus Williams when he was available. They will do a trade, or pick someone else.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Eric Gordon FTW!

                                Originally posted by iPACER View Post
                                He stated that he would get players to go to USC. I had nothing wrong with what he said. Players recruit players... happens in the NBA, happens in college, even happens in AAU and high school.

                                I've thought that EJ and his father have played the media more than Mayo.

                                I think the EJ is the far superior outside shooter and is excellent coming off screens. Mayo has him beat in ball handling skills, though. So it comes down to what you want.

                                Actually, it comes down more so to where you pick. Outside of the top 4, I don't think EJ will be available. 4-10, Mayo could be there.

                                Could take a solid PG prospect like Bayless and pair them with Daniels at the 2...
                                Recruiting other players isn't the big deal about how he ended up at USC.

                                He ended up there eventhough Tim Floyd, nor USC sent him any letters. Never.

                                Tim Floyd just got there and never thought Mayo would even consider the school so didn't try. A man walked into his office from off the street and told TF that OJ would be calling and he needed his cell ##. Said that he couldn't give out OJ's because he didn't give it out to anyone.

                                I mean you already made up your mind that USC is where you wanna go, not because of the actual school but because of the town it's located in and you don't trust your coach enough to give him your cell number? Okay?

                                He was suspended in high school for bumping over a ref. He threw the ball into the stands after a dunk, before the game was over. He's just a prima donna.

                                His adjustment to the NBA lifestyle could be VERY troublesome. He's going to cause a lot of headaches for his first team because he's already showing that he'll go where ever to get the most and I doubt he sticks around a team very long, so why get him during the headache period?
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