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    Default Pacers interested in moving up in draft to pick . . .

    http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/sho...&fpart=1#51079


    "There's also a chance a team will trade up into the lottery to get Pavel. Several veteran teams like the Mavericks, Nuggets (they also got a private workout Wednesday) and the Pacers are high on Pavel and could try to leverage a few of their veteran players to get up high enough to take him."


    Very Interesting! A bigger guy than Smit's who can shoot three pointers. Sound's like someone both Bird and Walsh would like to have.

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    Anyone have more info. on this guy?

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    If we draft him, I won't complain.

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    This guy will suck. He's soft and I heard his draft stock is dropping like Artests offense in the conference finals.
    Earlier I saw him as high as 3, now im seeing him in the mid-teens....

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    Default Re: Pacers interested in moving up in draft to pick . . .

    wow the trade rumors are flying faster than a jet fueled funny car these days.

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    This guy will suck. He's soft and I heard his draft stock is dropping like Artests offense in the conference finals.
    Earlier I saw him as high as 3, now im seeing him in the mid-teens....
    Obviously you didn't read the article. It says his stock was dropping, but after his last workout his stock is rising again.

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    I dunno if I want another Project guy , we need imediate results to compete next year. I mean what are the chances this guy would beable to instantly help with our needs right now ?

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    The article made it sounds like he's tough and has a lot of energy. When you can put those two words in the same sentence as a 7-5 300lbs player with 3 point range, how can you not want that? lol

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    I am still waiting on JB ...hint hint

    I have heard alot of this and that is good but sometimes it don't just happen ya know

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    We need a shooting guard not another project big man. If we move up in the draft it should be to try and draft J.R. Smith (I think thats his name) the kid who was shooting 30 footers and hitting them left and right. Thats what we need not another freaking skinny tall guy who may or may not pan out in the next decade. We need to try and win now.

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    I'm too stupid to read the article. Is he a taller Raef LaFrentz?

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    I am still waiting on JB ...hint hint

    I have heard alot of this and that is good but sometimes it don't just happen ya know
    Yeah, but this guy is a true center's body, unlike JB. I mean we're talking 7'0" 210lbs vs 7'5" 300lbs. That's a much bigger man.

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    I'm too stupid to read the article. Is he a taller Raef LaFrentz?
    He sounds like he has Yao Ming's body-size, both in height and weight.

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    From NBADraft.net
    NBA Comparison: Gheorghe Muresan (more athletic)

    European Perspective:

    A player who developed his agility in Italy to the point where early this year he was considered a future top 5 pick but not for a few seasons. The process has been sped up it appears... Enormous. with the classic physical structure of the long Russians... Definitely has good coordination and the good movements... Offensively he plays very timidly. With the ball he doesn't take any initiative... Does not seem to have great touch and has a long ways to go figuring out post moves ... Imposing presence, he's dangerous to take the basketball at.... Defensively does not have a good feeling for the game or sense of the position... Very raw. But he demonstrates good reactions to the game at a young age.

    The next big thing? Literally a freak of nature, an enormous player but at the same time mobile and coordinated...Will be one of the first choices when he decides to enter the draft... Had a very impressive workout in Chicago in front of many scouts and GM's which will help him ... The NBA waits for him with open arms ... He has the upside to be a bigtime impact player but there are a lot of doubts about whether he can fulfill his vast potential .... The doubts mainly surround his physical condition, with the growth hormone problem, and also his work ethic which for now appears suspect .... There have been a lot of articles in local papers in Varese questioning his work ethic ... There have been a lot of questions about him last year , why coach didn't Beugnot use him last year? ... After Beugnot, coach Ruscono (Dodo) resigned and was very hard with him, inflexable, Pavel struggled to get time .... Now the team has Cadeo as it's coach, who gives more flexability and it appeared Pavel would see more action, but it's the same story, not much playing time for Pavel... So he has been through three coaches in a year, not exactly the type of stability that makes for an atmosphere of development .... When starting center Callahan was out, Pavel had two 20 minute games, but then Callahan returned. And now Pavel has gone back to around 5 minutes per game.... When you watch him play, you realize he's not really part of the team... None of his teammates give him high fives after a good play, or give him words of encouragement ... During timeouts he rarely pays attention to the coaches, looking around the gym, butrarely at the coaches .... His physical structure is well developed, very big and strong with muscles and his size is awe inspiring ... His mobility is very good for a man of this size and he has good flexability ... His conditioning is actually good, he can get up and down the court, his biggest problem is with his basketball skills and understanding of the game ... He is a presence on the defensive end both shot blocking and rebounding ... He's pretty good at using his size and weight against other big players, but this is where he will improve a lot in the next few years ... ...

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    I think you guys are going to try to acquire Z from the Cavs this summer. I think Bird likes the guy and you wouldn't have to give up that much to get him from the Cavs. You can then swing Foster to the bench to play a Kurt Rambis type of role and Z would give you size and a center who could score 20 on any given night to take some of the inside scoring pressure off of JO. Just a hunch I have that Bird wants a big man.

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    Default Re: Pacers interested in moving up in draft to pick . . .

    We need a shooting guard not another project big man. If we move up in the draft it should be to try and draft J.R. Smith (I think thats his name) the kid who was shooting 30 footers and hitting them left and right. Thats what we need not another freaking skinny tall guy who may or may not pan out in the next decade. We need to try and win now.
    Thank you and I agree I am tired with Big men projects too , you only have so many years to make a run , I don't buy the arguement we have a solid shot of being a contender for the next 5 years , we may never ever win 61 games for another 10 + years and I would bet we don't win 60 next year.

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    A bigger guy than Smit's who can shoot three pointers. Sound's like someone both Bird and Walsh would like to have.
    The ability to shoot the 3 is way, way down on the list of things I want out of my center.

    I'd go so far to say that it's not even on the list. Can he make the 8-15 footer consistantly? Can he defend the other centers? Can he rebound? Does he play like a 300 pounder or does he want to be a SG?
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    Default Re: Pacers interested in moving up in draft to pick . . .

    We need a shooting guard not another project big man. If we move up in the draft it should be to try and draft J.R. Smith (I think thats his name) the kid who was shooting 30 footers and hitting them left and right. Thats what we need not another freaking skinny tall guy who may or may not pan out in the next decade. We need to try and win now.
    Okay, how about this trade . . .

    Artest, Bender, Foster, and Fred, for T-Mac, and DeClerog, and a swap of first round draft picks.

    That would give us a lineup of . . .

    F...6'11 JO
    F...6'9 Harrington
    C...7'1 Brezac
    G...6'8 McGrady
    G...6'3 Tinsley

    F...6'10 Croshere...6'11 DelCerog
    F...6'8 J.Jones
    C...7'5 Pavel ...6'11 Pollard
    G...6'7 Miller
    G...6'3 Johnson ...6'4 Brewer

    It works cap wise and I would do it! The question is would OrLando. They would be getting an allstar, and another starter, plus two guys with potential.

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    After hearing about the greatness that would be Skita and Darko, I refuse to believe anything I hear about Euro's.

    And can I second the whole "we don't need another project" riff. I'd be happy if we didn't have a rookie for the next ten years or so.
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    How about this trade idea with the Bulls?

    http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bulls.asp

    Indiana's Al Harrington is a possibility, but the Bulls would probably want more in return. Harrington and guard Fred Jones for the No. 3 pick, Robinson or Williams, and a low-salaried player like Chris Jefferies would work.

    Harrington figures to be expendable because he plays the same position as Ron Artest. The Pacers could use help at guard, particularly with Reggie Miller on the verge of retirement, and center.


    I like this idea, although the Pacers do lose Freddy, I still think it's a good idea if it's Harrington, and Freddy for the 3rd pick, JYD and extras. I think JYD would be exactly what the Pacers need in terms of a tough, hard nosed guy, plus they can get the number 3 pick to get Pavel or whoever they want.

    And who knows, if the Bulls get desperate, maybe Crawford or Curry or Chandler could be added in the deal as well.

    If the Pacers like the idea of obtaining the No. 3 draft pick, the Bulls might just suggest swapping the pick and a player for Artest. Even though the NBA's reigning defensive player of the year was traded from the Bulls in 2002, Paxson remains an Artest fan.

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    I want Sabonis.

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    I want Sabonis.
    You want a 40-something center with a lot of knee problems?

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    yeh man, sabonis and a really big segway to haul his old- worn out body up and down the court. then we could throw him a pogo stick when he needs to jump.

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    After hearing about the greatness that would be Skita and Darko, I refuse to believe anything I hear about Euro's.

    And can I second the whole "we don't need another project" riff. I'd be happy if we didn't have a rookie for the next ten years or so.
    AMEN TO THAT!

    We don't need a project rookie. We already have Jones, JJ, PB, Brewer, and Bender (yes he is still a damn project).

    We need someone that can help us win a championship Next season, not 3 seasons from now.

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    pavel? i dunno, he sounds all hype to me.

    he averaged something like 4 pts 3 reb in his italian team. i know, darko didn't get minutes either while in europe. see where darko is now. is that what we want?

    here's a recent scouting report on pavel from draft city, along with other guys:

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