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    as much as we like to hate tinsley. He's still the best we have...when it's good tins he's making steals having high assists and making the extra pass. I seen good and bad diener and it's always "Shoot first". If diener comes off the bench the first thing he's doing is jacking up a 3...
    Tinsley may not be the best pg...but he's better then diener. If he played more in the houston game we would have pulled it out. Maybe he should start vs san antonio? remember he beat em at the buzzer last yr?
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    while I agree with you.. ya gotta understand this is as close to a rookie season , as ya can get as far as Diener... I think he is doin RATHER WELL.. when you take that into consideration....

    I don't mind Tinsley starting, as long as JOB dont load him with all the minutes.. keep the minutes divided equally.. and if a player is HOT , well he gets to stay on the floor more minutes that particular game..

    Untill Diener gets some more experience running the team , he will be developing nicely at a good pace as a solid backup..

    I honestly can see TD develop into our starter... once we find a way to deal Tinsley..
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    Besides Diener's defensive shortcomings I think he has potential. I have no problems with him as a backup playing about 10 minutes per game, but other team's starting point gaurds will have their way with him.
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    Tinsley is the best option we have at PG

    That's like saying your 1972 VW bug is your best option for the Indy 500.

    Both are unreliable, and neither one is going to let you sniff the champion's trophy so what's it matter?

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    Tinsley makes plays...sometimes not the type we want but i like him handling the rock and playing defense in a close game then diener. If he had the ball on that high pick and roll with jeff im almost 100% sure he throws that to jeff for a go ahead score... not launch a damn 3...or atleast he knows to get it to granger. And yes i saw the phoenix game...but really no one was doing anything anyways and he had the advantage in the post.
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    If Tinsley knew his role and did nothing but make plays, absolutely. When he wants to pretend he's some scoring machine, he hurts the team badly. Still, his history here has left a sour taste in the fans mouth, so I think it's best we part ways with him and move forward, even if it means we only get expiring contracts in return.

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    Still, his history here has left a sour taste in the fans mouth, so I think it's best we part ways with him and move forward, even if it means we only get expiring contracts in return.
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    Tinsley is the best option we have at PG

    That's like saying your 1972 VW bug is your best option for the Indy 500.

    Both are unreliable, and neither one is going to let you sniff the champion's trophy so what's it matter?

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    Yes Tinsley is the best option at point guard. But I agree with Bball - to what end. I enjoy watching Diener more. The offense runs better with Diener - he gets everyone the ball - the difference is quite striking. of course when things break down Diener cannot create offense like JT can

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    Tinsley should be closing out games, at the very least.

    Diener is a nice kid, but not a closer.
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    Tinsley should be closing out games, at the very least.

    Diener is a nice kid, but not a closer.
    Tinsley is the last player I want in as a closer, he's just horrible!

    Let Jamaal be the starter, so he won't be pouting on the bench, and let Travis end the games (just like Jackson & Best 10 years ago).
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    as much as we like to hate tinsley. He's still the best we have...when it's good tins he's making steals having high assists and making the extra pass. I seen good and bad diener and it's always "Shoot first". If diener comes off the bench the first thing he's doing is jacking up a 3...
    Tinsley may not be the best pg...but he's better then diener. If he played more in the houston game we would have pulled it out. Maybe he should start vs san antonio? remember he beat em at the buzzer last yr?
    Diener usually knocks down that 1st jumper!!! Both PGs are good to me. Our PG situation isn't as bad as people think it is
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    I've actually warmed up to Diener, but he does miss his 1st shot more often than not. I think the original reference was to when he comes off the bench. He has started the last 5 but he's only made his 1st shot twice in the last ten games (not that it matters). What I don't like is the Bulls game situation where he comes in and throws up a shot 7 seconds after coming into the game and misses. I do like his energy and his 3 pt shot has returned since starting the season 8-34 (.235) in the first 15 games he's gone 26-70 (.371) in the last 19. That's good and adds him to the list of guys that are a threat from the outside on this team.

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    Tinsley is the last player I want in as a closer, he's just horrible!
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    Tinsley is the last player I want in as a closer, he's just horrible!
    Agreed.

    And Diener is worse.
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    Tinsley is the best option we have at PG

    That's like saying your 1972 VW bug is your best option for the Indy 500.

    Both are unreliable, and neither one is going to let you sniff the champion's trophy so what's it matter?

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    I wonder if we can get Dwayne Wade lol. He's VERY unhappy in Miami right no
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    Agreed.

    And Diener is worse.
    But atleast he shows up to work and is consistant.

    Call me crazy but I'd rather have him because of it.

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    But atleast he shows up to work and is consistant.

    Call me crazy but I'd rather have him because of it.
    The important thing to remember about a player who sucks, but works his *** off, is that he still sucks.

    (Admittedly, that's strong for Diener, who's an OK back up.)

    As to Tinsley being our best option, yeah, that's true...what's the point? He's still not good enough, and much of our problems can be traced back to inconsistent or bad play at the point. After 8 years, I don't know how we can count on Jamaal to be anything more than that enigma that he's been.

    I think it's time to start looking for a better option, even if it means that we're worse off in the short run.
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    while I agree with you.. ya gotta understand this is as close to a rookie season , as ya can get as far as Diener... I think he is doin RATHER WELL.. when you take that into consideration....

    I don't mind Tinsley starting, as long as JOB dont load him with all the minutes.. keep the minutes divided equally.. and if a player is HOT , well he gets to stay on the floor more minutes that particular game..

    Untill Diener gets some more experience running the team , he will be developing nicely at a good pace as a solid backup..

    I honestly can see TD develop into our starter... once we find a way to deal Tinsley..

    I know that you have mentioned this in numerous threads, but honestly...Im having a hard time seeing how his limitations are going to decrease. Trust me, I'm not saying that I don't like the guy, I love how the ball moves when he is in the game and the benefits to the offense, but I just don't see him getting over being a severe liability on the defensive end. Granted, before I'm told about Jamaal's defensive limitations, he does have size and quick enough hands to pose a slight risk in going at him. Anyway, Jamaal has enough of an offensive game, like it or not...to keep him in the league. I just don't see Diener having enough tools on offense for him to develop past a 3 point specialist off the bench.

    I just wanted to respectfully ask what I'm missing with Diener that shows he can be developed into starting material over someone else that we may possibly get in either free agency, a trade or the draft.

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    Tinsley is the best option we have at PG

    That's like saying your 1972 VW bug is your best option for the Indy 500.

    Both are unreliable, and neither one is going to let you sniff the champion's trophy so what's it matter?
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    Well, it's well into February and I said I would withhold my profound judgment until now.

    Tinsley is still Tinsley. I wish he was gone.

    Seems as good a place as any to made a judgment on JOB as well. I don't see where he is any more of a difference maker for this team than any high school coach would be. Anybody can tell players to go out and shoot from different zip codes and play defense like a petrified forest. We either have a coach that can't communicate or players that just don't (dare I say never will) get it.

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    I have to agree that JT is the better PG, a motivated and hard working JT and we haven't seen a lot of that lately. I would rather watch Ballboy try his butt off than see JT half-$$$ his way to a par game.

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