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    I've been on here since the game ended but I just didn't know what to say. I want to be objective about the entire process & not let emotions take over for me.

    I won't deny it, it was a rough night. I'll be honest with you & I'm sure some of you that read my posts yesterday already figured this out, but I had already come to the conclusion that last nights game was a loss. I thought with J.T. & J.O. both on bad legs & with R.A. having whatever it was he had I just thought to myself that there was just no way we could do this. So I came into the game subdued & almost content on the fact that we had a good season. Then we started to hit our shots, then we developed a lead.

    Great, just when I was ready to concede they get me to thinking that they might actually pull this game out. Then over a series of events, which I'm sure I'll cover at some point in time, we lost.

    It just wasn't meant to be. I wish I could tell you I wasn't bitter because I am, a little. Don't get me wrong I don't feel as though the N.B.A. screwed us or the refs. were to blame I just can't help hating the feeling of "what if". J.T. is so important to our offense that it cannot even be told in words how bad we stagnate on the offensive side when he is not in & vs. a team like Detroit, you have to be able to get your shots because they are going to give you nothing easy. What if J.O. were 100%?

    But let's get this started right.

    To the fans of Detroit basketball. Congratulations on winning a fine series. My point above about injury's in no way is intended to disrespect your franchise. Even if all of our players were 100% there is nothing that say's the outcome would be any differant.

    You have a fine team, magnificant coach & superb G.M. I wish you all of the luck in the world vs. the Lakers & I honestly hope you bring home the gold to the east. You actually have some of the required players to compete with L.A. & if I were you I wouldn't be afraid to give Prince some time going at Braynt. It won't be easy & to be honest if Shaq decides he wants this title your chances go way way down, but you guys have a shot.

    The nice thing for you (& the sucky thing for us) is that this season is in now way the end for you guys. They talk about us being young all of the time but in reality you don't have a lot of geriatrics up thier either & even if you did Joe D. will not stand pat.

    So, to the victor goes the spoils. Good series & I hope we redue this next season (ultimately with a differant result from my point of view though).

    Now to us.

    I will come back & do a season post mortum later in the week or maybe next week I'm not sure which yet, but for now I just am gonna talk about this series.

    We might as well deal with the big topic right up front. Ron Artest & his flagrant foul.

    Did this play cost us the game? It did cost us the lead but the game? I don't think so. Was it a bonehead move? Yes. But it was not the worst thing I've ever seen either. Rip admitted after the game that he laid there & was told to stay there by his team mates. He said he could have easily have gotten up. But we come from a team that has Reggie Miller on it, so to complain about a little bit of theatre for affect seems hypocritical to me. Anyway back to the play, I think Ron thought he would just be called for a foul not a flagrant foul, which IMO is what it should have been. But this is Ron Artest here, so for him to think that was just dumb.

    Like I said I didn't have a problem with him doing that per say. I don't like the fact he did it but I'm not calling for his head because of it.

    On the other hand did anybody see his post game locker room comments on WTHR? Ron's biggest concern was not his inability to hit a shot or his inability to actually shut down Hamilton. It was the fact that he didn't like that we didn't get him the ball enough. He couldn't understand why in this series we went away from him, unlike the Boston & Miami series.

    The guy got 13 shots up, second most on the team, & he was pissed about it.

    Sorry, but team ball isn't exactly Ron's strong suit. There was something up with Ron & has been since this series started. Put me down in the camp of people who wouldn't be suprised by anything that happens here with him. I could easily see him coming back here next year as though nothing happened & I also wouldn't be a bit suprised to see him playing on another team next year.

    I have always thought Ron was a little to much high maintenance for Donnies taste, but I've been wrong before. BTW, just for future answers to this question let me state now this. I believe that Larry Bird can make trades, he can affect player decisions & coaching decisions. However I believe he has to run it all past Walsh, who IMO, has final veto power. I also believe that Donnie can initiate any change he wants to as well, but he would make Bird aware of anything he was doing.

    I don't believe Bird is just a figurehead, but I do believe that he is still on probation (for lack of a better word) & that Donnie is looking over his shoulder just to make sure he doesn't screw things up.

    Good or bad, only time will tell.

    Also I think Ron really overlooked Prince & overestimated how much he would dominate the game.

    Moving on.

    Reggie. What can you say. How do you tell Superman he can't fly anymore? How do you tell Spiderman he can't swing anymore? How do you tell Reggie that he just doesn't deserve to start anymore or for that matter deserve large amounts of time on the floor anymore?

    I don't think Reggie has to retire, in fact I don't think he will. But we have to move on & let somebody else play the spot. It was so sad to see Brown abuse Reggie last night. Whoever Reggie was guarding was the player they ran their offense threw. It's happened all season long like this. I remember a really bad game early on vs. the Cavs. that it was really evident that this was the plan.

    Being a decoy on offense is not enough. You cannot have 3 of your 5 positions on the floor just throwing the ball around. They have to be able to step up & score. Reggie still can on occasion, but not on a nightly basis. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Reggie be the 7th or 8th man next year but I don't want much more than that from him. But here is the rub. Are the fans ready to give up on this? I tell you there are a lot of Pacers fans out there that would not want this to happen, they want 31 on the floor as a starter till the day he hangs them up. Is the franchise ready for this? I've been told that Donnie doesn't care one way or another, but I just have a hard time accepting that there isn't some form of coperate mentality at work to make sure Reggie is still the starter. It may not be Donnie & it may not even exist for fact but I find it hard to beleive.

    Is Reggie willing to do this? I'm not sure he is. He says the right things about this being the younger players team, but that is easy to say when the younger players hold him in such high esteem. If they were players who didn't give a crap about him & didn't always say how great he is I wonder how willing he would be? That last contract he signed tells me he still thinks he is owed.

    Sorry guys I got off on a tangent there, I didn't mean to go in depth about next season.

    Back to Reggie. We won game one because of a huge shot from Reggie but in game six for him to go 2-8 with 7 of his 8 shot being from behind the three point line is just unacceptable. Now if he were a defensive stud that would be one thing, but the reason Hamilton had all of that energy for his offense is because he really never had to worry about spending it on the defensive end of the floor. Reggie should have driven a lot more than he did. He should never have settled for the three like he always does.

    Oh well.

    J.O. Warrior. It's as simple as that & let me tell you that is one hell of a compliment.

    Austin Croshere. He somewhat made up for that horrid game 5. He will be here next year, you all know that right? I mean nobody is going to take this guy off of our hands unless it's part of a larger trade. Now having said that I want to say this. I don't think it's altogether a bad thing that he will be here. 12 pts. & 7 rbs. is not bad for a backup. Plus I wasn't displeased with the way he played R. Wallace. Sheed got his points but it wasn't because Austin wasn't there. I want Austin in the off-season to just keep hitting the weights. Unless we get a better center, which we won't, I think there is still a chance that Austin can play even more min. next year.

    Al Harrington. It's to bad really. Al had been such a Warrior throughout this series & to see him go out on a game like that is sad. That blocked shot by Prince was probably a game breaker for us. I just wish the guy could have been more aggresive last night, but like I've always said Al is a differant player when he starts. He tries harder to fit into the team concept. Sometimes it works, last night it didn't. But I thought Al was really the most consistant player throughout this series, not including last night of course.

    Jamaal. One hell of a season. First can't get of the the bench to save his life. Then ends season on a tear of his hamstring. We just are not the same without him on the floor. The only thing I think he needs to work on is getting healthy.

    Anthony Johnson. Played great in this series, much to my suprise. Our offense didn't stagnate because of him this series. It was stagnant but it wasn't his fault. I thought his defense was solid as well. However that missed layup at the end of the game was the single worst shot I've ever seen in my life. Airball a layup???? Being a guard??? A.J. is what A.J. is & in this series he did his job. I'd like to see something better next year but if not I have no real problem with him.

    Jeff Foster. This has to suck for him. The only consolation I take away from that though is that the last 4 years have been equally as bad for Croshere. So I guess it's almost karma that it was Austin that replaced him. He had a decent series up until he was benched, but it just wasn't enough. If he wants to be a big part of this team, which we all expect he will, he has to develop some form of offense this off-season. If it's a jumper, a hook, a post move, something, anything. Defense wins titles without a doubt & I will live & die by Pat Riley's mantra of "no rebounds, no rings". But you cannot be devoid of any offensive game. Ultimately the game still falls down to one principle, putting the round brown thing into the baket more times than your opponet. Yes, you can do this by stopping the shots they get, but ultimatley you have to put it in yourself & it cannot always be left up to two people on the floor to do it.

    Bender. Year 5 & we still are left with the following statement. We'll really start to see Jon get better & mature as a player next season when he is fully healthy. Yes, Jon has athletic ability. Yes, Jon has some talent. But at this point in time Jon still has no basketball I.Q. I wouldn't be offended at all if Jon were wearing another uniform next season. I don't know how many more "He's showing signs of progress" seasons I can take. I wouldn't be upset if he was here either.

    Sorry, I did it again I'm talking about the future.

    Did Jon do anything to help the team last night? Yes, his blocks were nice. But did it change the game in any way? Where was his offense? Not really a series worth remembering for Bender, IMO.

    Kenny Anderson. I know a lot of people are pissed at him, & with good reason. But he was only stating the truth. It was poor damn timing to say the least, but I understand why he said what he said. Now to the game, he was useless. It's a little unfair seeing as how he hadn't played hardly at all prior to this. But ultimately that is the job of the bench player, to be ready at any thime. He wasn't.

    Scott Pollard. I have no idea how to evaluate him for the Pistons series, he didn't play. Which in & of itself says something.

    The coach. I can't complain. Adjustments were needed & they were made. Brown made more adjustments & Carlisle countered with more adjustments of his own. L.B. was just coaching a more experianced team & besides it's hard to ***** when you are beat by the master. I think Rick had a great series.

    There is a lot to talk about for the upcoming off-season. But for now I just think it's important to say that the 03/04 Pacers season was fun & although we didn't win a title I was very proud of the team.


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    Once again a great post by Peck.

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    Hey, when is the expansion draft anyway?


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    Two days berfore the college draft, June 22.

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    Thanks Will.


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    We might as well deal with the big topic right up front. Ron Artest & his flagrant foul.

    Did this play cost us the game? It did cost us the lead but the game? I don't think so. Was it a bonehead move? Yes. But it was not the worst thing I've ever seen either. Rip admitted after the game that he laid there & was told to stay there by his team mates. He said he could have easily have gotten up. But we come from a team that has Reggie Miller on it, so to complain about a little bit of theatre for affect seems hypocritical to me. Anyway back to the play, I think Ron thought he would just be called for a foul not a flagrant foul, which IMO is what it should have been. But this is Ron Artest here, so for him to think that was just dumb.

    Like I said I didn't have a problem with him doing that per say. I don't like the fact he did it but I'm not calling for his head because of it.

    On the other hand did anybody see his post game locker room comments on WTHR? Ron's biggest concern was not his inability to hit a shot or his inability to actually shut down Hamilton. It was the fact that he didn't like that we didn't get him the ball enough. He couldn't understand why in this series we went away from him, unlike the Boston & Miami series.

    The guy got 13 shots up, second most on the team, & he was pissed about it.

    Sorry, but team ball isn't exactly Ron's strong suit. There was something up with Ron & has been since this series started. Put me down in the camp of people who wouldn't be suprised by anything that happens here with him. I could easily see him coming back here next year as though nothing happened & I also wouldn't be a bit suprised to see him playing on another team next year.

    I have always thought Ron was a little to much high maintenance for Donnies taste, but I've been wrong before. BTW, just for future answers to this question let me state now this. I believe that Larry Bird can make trades, he can affect player decisions & coaching decisions. However I believe he has to run it all past Walsh, who IMO, has final veto power. I also believe that Donnie can initiate any change he wants to as well, but he would make Bird aware of anything he was doing.

    I don't believe Bird is just a figurehead, but I do believe that he is still on probation (for lack of a better word) & that Donnie is looking over his shoulder just to make sure he doesn't screw things up.
    yes... the Artest flagrant foul.

    Peck.... I can't agree with you more. The FF was certainly a boneheaded move by Ron, but just as you, the flagrant wasn't THAT big of a concern to me. I mean, this IS Ron Artest we're talking about here. While I was thinking how foolish it was to do something like that at such a critical junction, I also know Ron and his game very well.

    So he gives Hamilton a forearm to the chops and puts him on the floor. A dirty play... I don't know, probably, BUT at that moment I think I was kinda happy to see somebody finally get physical with Rip and I truly wasn't upset that he got put on his @ss. You know, he was having his way on the dribble penetration the whole series... you have to make a guy like Rip pay for driving the lane and THATS what I saw in the FF. Ya know.... it was in the heat of battle, the emotions were running high, there was a lot of stress out there.... OF COURSE IT WAS A POOR DECISION CONSIDERING THE TIME LEFT IN AN ELIMATION GAME but I also realize this... "If you want Ron Artest on your team you kinda have to put up with and expect those types of things to happen."

    So I'll state very clearly that the FF wasn't all that big a deal to me. It sucks big time that a flagrant was called but I'm glad that somebody finally knocked Hamilton to the floor. Somebody shoulda done it like in game 2 or something for that matter....

    What pissed me off the most was that he was acting like a total @sshole the last 5 minutes of the game. He wasn't gonna give the ball up for anything... period. You could just see that he was coming unglued. He was acting like a selfish little bratty kid out there.... he was a punk and it cost the Pacers. The FF aside, his overall play the final 7 mins of the game was LESS than pathetic. He had an "I dont give a FUKC" look in his eyes... to hell with the team, he was gonna get his.

    I'm still pretty pissed about the way the game ended but the things Artest did in the 4th quarter were damn near unforgivable in my book.

    I know he is a loose canon.... I also know how valuable Artest is to this team..... but only when everything is going his way.

    With a guy like Ron, Bird has to make a hard decision... ya know he can be the biggest reason that you won a game.... or he can totally fukc the team.... Knowing Larry Bird I would definitely NOT be surprised to see Artest OUT THE DOOR in 2004. I know there are plenty of reasons to want to see him stay a Pacer.... but the reason to keep an open mind about trading him was made extremely evident last night in the latter part of Q4.

    I'm NOT saying he needs to be traded or that I want to see him traded.... but I am saying that a number of little and big things he did in Q4 last night really soured me on Ron and I've been a huge supporter and fan of his ever since he was at St. Johns.

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    Put me squarely in the corner of "he's available if enough is offered for him...but I ain't necessarily shopping him. YET"

    I wonder, instead of retaliating what would the outcome ihave been had RA dropped to the floor clutching his "nads and writhing in pain? We hadn't been getting the flop calls all series so probably nothing, but the way it went "nothing" would have been better.
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    Well I been watching Mike and Mike on ESPN news and they showed 3 times where Rip gave Artest Nice hard Elbows in his chest , how could the Refs miss that and I think Rip was trying to Provoke Ron.

    I dunno many players who woulda put up with 3 elbows to the chest and a nut shot and not did something about it.

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    how do you watch M*M??? I get them on the radio but what TV are they on???
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    Well do you have ESPN News Channel ? I think it might be only on Digital Cable which I have

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    I have ESPN and ESPN2 but on Comcast not digital.
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    ahh , yeah I think it's on Digital cable only , I got like 4-5 ESPN Channels

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    Even if Ron was baited, he has to be smarter than that. With the game on the line you can't afford to have them shoot two freethrows & then give them the ball back.


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    I dont think it woulda mattered if ron got no flagrant , I believe we lost the game waaaaaaaaaay before that.

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    No doubt, but that does not excuse the fact either.

    BTW, Ron was part of the reason we lost that game & not because of his flagrant foul.


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    No doubt, but that does not excuse the fact either.

    BTW, Ron was part of the reason we lost that game & not because of his flagrant foul.
    I can't disagree there but it was more than Ron who lost this Game ...I can think of many plays , How about AJ's Blown Layup ? Too many 3 Point shots I could probably go on but I would rather not.

    Season is over and nutting can change it.

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    That's why I said Ron was part of the reason we lost. I didn't say he was the reason or even the major reason.


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    That's why I said Ron was part of the reason we lost. I didn't say he was the reason or even the major reason.
    Peck , I know but I see alot of people saying the oposite , maybe I was getting ahead of myself

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    Indiana trades: C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
    PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
    Indiana receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +7.5 ppg, -4.3 rpg, and +2.9 apg.

    Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
    Toronto receives: C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 61 games)
    PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 79 games)
    Change in team outlook: -7.5 ppg, +4.3 rpg, and -2.9 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    It would probably take a little more than this, but from what I hear Vince can be had. I think we could make a move for him & not be forced to bust up the O'Neal/Artest combo.

    I think Vince would thrive in a change of scenary & he could really be the third scoring option we need.

    Acutually I think that Bender & Harrington would get the trade done. Would you do it?

    I think I would, but I'm not certain.


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    On the other hand did anybody see his post game locker room comments on WTHR? Ron's biggest concern was not his inability to hit a shot or his inability to actually shut down Hamilton. It was the fact that he didn't like that we didn't get him the ball enough. He couldn't understand why in this series we went away from him, unlike the Boston & Miami series.

    The guy got 13 shots up, second most on the team, & he was pissed about it.

    Sorry, but team ball isn't exactly Ron's strong suit.
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    What pissed me off the most was that he was acting like a total @sshole the last 5 minutes of the game. He wasn't gonna give the ball up for anything... period. You could just see that he was coming unglued. He was acting like a selfish little bratty kid out there.... he was a punk and it cost the Pacers. The FF aside, his overall play the final 7 mins of the game was LESS than pathetic. He had an "I dont give a FUKC" look in his eyes... to hell with the team, he was gonna get his.

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    I agree with most of the comments about Artest. Maybe I'm stating the homerly obvious, but I believe that he can improve. Artest, O'Neal and Tinsley have all shown a lot of growth this past season. If they can make another leap forward in mental maturity this coming season like they did last season, the future will be very bright

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    Peck , I think I would Do it , minimal loss for us I think think Vince still has some Juice and he could play a better role with a winning team , I think he feels kindda jilted like Tmac for playing on a losing team.

    I would love to offload Pollards contract , it's clear I think we aren't gonna use him and he's getting too much for a Bench player IMHO

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    it just hit me for the first time. The season is really over, the offseason has begun. Why did it just hit me now, Peck is making trade proposals

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    Indiana trades: C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
    PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 30.9 minutes)
    Indiana receives: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +7.5 ppg, -4.3 rpg, and +2.9 apg.

    Toronto trades: SF Vince Carter (22.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 38.1 minutes)
    Toronto receives: C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 61 games)
    PF Al Harrington (13.3 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 79 games)
    Change in team outlook: -7.5 ppg, +4.3 rpg, and -2.9 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    It would probably take a little more than this, but from what I hear Vince can be had. I think we could make a move for him & not be forced to bust up the O'Neal/Artest combo.

    I think Vince would thrive in a change of scenary & he could really be the third scoring option we need.

    Acutually I think that Bender & Harrington would get the trade done. Would you do it?

    I think I would, but I'm not certain.
    Peck you are right - Vince can be had.

    But do we really want him? I see every Raptors game because I live real close to Toronto and all their games are aired, and I really can't see Vince fitting in well with this team.

    We are a tough team that prides itself on defense, and first off Vince is not a tough player. He is actually very soft - and that is why he has lost so much respect from Toronto fans. Most the analysts here say that when the new GM comes that he will be gone. I just don't see him fitting in well here...and his defense is not all that great.

    Another thing I'll say about Vince - he will take his shots. And these shots are the ones you kind of cringe when he takes them. The tough fade-away 3's, etc. You want to see the guy drive to the net but I don't think he has the same energy anymore...and he thinks too much of that shot of his.

    It's interesting you say Pollard and Harrington for Vince though - because if that worked salary wise, I actually think Raptors would do it. They really want some big men to surround Bosh with.

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    Hey, when is the expansion draft anyway?
    If Reggie is protected in the expansion draft, I will be disappointed.

    Not because I want him to leave, but because there is NO CHANCE that Charlotte will pick him for themselves or to trade. He is a backup in terms of skills, and 5 million dollar backup shooting guards are not exactly a hot commodity.

    He might feel "disrespected" at being left unprotected (and unpicked) but I'd rather use a slot on someone who one might expect to be one of the top 8 players on the team not only next year but beyond that.
    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!)

  25. #25

    Default Re: Odd thoughts on game 6 & ultimately the E.C. finals.....

    Hey, when is the expansion draft anyway?
    If Reggie is protected in the expansion draft, I will be disappointed.

    Not because I want him to leave, but because there is NO CHANCE that Charlotte will pick him for themselves or to trade. He is a backup in terms of skills, and 5 million dollar backup shooting guards are not exactly a hot commodity.

    He might feel "disrespected" at being left unprotected (and unpicked) but I'd rather use a slot on someone who one might expect to be one of the top 8 players on the team not only next year but beyond that.
    I have debated that with my split personality all year and have now arrived at the same conclusion. Just isn't any way the Bobcats take Reggie, especially if he has a third year on the contract.

    Unless the Pacers have their sights on a real center, I believe the Pacers will try to unload Scot Pollard and will want to keep Primoz.

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