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  • #16
    Re: OT: Bob Knight resigns at TT son to coach

    Originally posted by Shade View Post
    Knight would sure look good in a Patriots sweater...

    just feed me battery acid and shoot me while hanging upside down over an alligator pit.
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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    • #17
      Re: Bob Knight resigns?

      Originally posted by Shade View Post
      I'm pretty sure he did this to ensure that Pat would get a chance to take over the reins.
      Should be a dream basketball gig for Pat....

      Oh wait.... nevermind...

      -Bball
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

      ------

      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • #18
        Re: OT: Bob Knight resigns at TT son to coach

        More info here:

        http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_8166124
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

        ------

        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • #19
          Re: OT: Bob Knight resigns at TT son to coach

          Can someone post the text verbatum of the story Digger Phelps just told about Bob Knight on 11:00 PM ET 2/4/08 verison of sportscenter. I only caught part of it about Ewing I assume it was patrick Ewing and I'm guessing it was during Olympic practice but not sure...something about how Iba, Thompson and maybe Phelps were involved...Knight chewing out someone...it sounded like a classic..hopefully its replayed later tonight.

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          • #20
            Re: OT: Bob Knight resigns at TT son to coach

            Originally posted by ironore1288 View Post
            Can someone post the text verbatum of the story Digger Phelps just told about Bob Knight on 11:00 PM ET 2/4/08 verison of sportscenter. I only caught part of it about Ewing I assume it was patrick Ewing and I'm guessing it was during Olympic practice but not sure...something about how Iba, Thompson and maybe Phelps were involved...Knight chewing out someone...it sounded like a classic..hopefully its replayed later tonight.
            I didn't hear it but there is the classic story of Michael Jordan playing a stunning first half of basketball for Knight in the Olympics and when they got to the lockerroom Knight laid into Jordan and totally ripped him... leaving the rest of the team to wonder "If he's that mad at Jordan's play, what does he think of mine???"

            -Bball
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

            ------

            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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            • #21
              Re: Bob Knight resigns?

              I'm not impressed by a coach ripping into a player who played a good first half.....

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              • #22
                Re: Bob Knight resigns?

                Originally posted by Mal View Post
                I'm not impressed by a coach ripping into a player who played a good first half.....
                Imagine how impressed you would have been by that same coach forcing his team to lose by 50 because he didn't like their effort. No joke. It still stings thinking about that game after all these years. Damn Gophers.

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                • #23
                  Re: Bob Knight resigns?

                  Am I the only one who sees all the parallels between Knight's career and No Country For Old Men?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Bob Knight resigns?

                    Originally posted by Mal View Post
                    I'm not impressed by a coach ripping into a player who played a good first half.....

                    Don't look for me to defend it, but I'm sure the theory was that Michael could take it and the signal it sent to the other players (seeing Michael Jordan torn apart for what they all thought was good play) should really cause them to step up their own games. Maybe even Knight's thinking was that these players as a whole could get more out of this this way than if he lit into the one(s) he really had an issue with (because that player might not take well to direct criticism).

                    Or... since it is Knight we're talking about... He might've been constipated and just wanted to throw a fit about anything to vent....

                    For a long time I always thought there was a method to Knight's madness... but I come to believe (especially in the later years) that it was more madness than any method.

                    And Shade, that Gopher game was the turning point for me.

                    -Bball
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                    ------

                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • #25
                      Re: Bob Knight resigns?

                      Originally posted by Shade View Post
                      I'm pretty sure he did this to ensure that Pat would get a chance to take over the reins.
                      I think it is basically in the contract Pat takes over when Bob retires.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Bob Knight resigns?

                        Originally posted by BoomBaby31 View Post
                        I think it is basically in the contract Pat takes over when Bob retires.
                        That may be - but if the team finishes the season poorly - say going 3-8 the rest of the way - it becomes the perfect opportunity for Tech to say, "No thanks Pat."

                        If BK had finished out the season and Tech had signed Pat to, say, a 3-year deal over the summer, even if he sucked Pat would be due the balance of the contract. Now he gets to finish the year out as an interim and wait over the summer to find out if they really want him or not.

                        Unless there are some truly unique clauses in BK's deal such as, "Tech guarantees Pat a three year contract for $xxxxx dated from the date of my announced retirement."
                        The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                        • #27
                          Re: Bob Knight resigns?

                          Dan Wetzel has a nice column on Yahoo Sports about Knight. It is fairly lengthy so I just posted a section but you can read the full story by clicking the length.

                          His closest friends always cringed when the latest flare-up would occur – a thrown chair, a flipped chin, a fight at a salad bar (of all places) serving as red meat to the media and allowing Bob Knight's most incredible accomplishment to be lost in the clouds of controversy.

                          It's easy to show Knight's drama, of course. It's hard to admit the truth. But before retiring Monday after 42 seasons, 902 victories and three NCAA titles, Knight managed to prove the impossible somehow possible:

                          The coach who cheated the least won the most.

                          If you want to be honest about Bob Knight then you have to be honest about college basketball, which means admitting it has been corrupt to the core for decades, a sport where the sinners exponentially outnumber the saints, where no matter how pretty the pig gets painted each March, it's still a pig.

                          At the elite level, you cheat, you might win. You don't cheat, you'll probably get fired.

                          That's about it. It really is. Plenty of your coaching "geniuses" are nothing more than smart recruiters eviscerating the NCAA rule book. But don't take my word for it.

                          "At the national level, the elite level, how many coaches really did it honestly through the years?" said Sonny Vaccaro on Monday. "That's a good question."

                          Vaccaro spent 43 years virtually inventing and then running grassroots basketball. He staged all-star games and shoe company camps, signed endorsement deals with Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant and was, at the very least, a sounding board for just about every dirty recruiting deed ever done.

                          He's not called college basketball's "Godfather" for nothing.

                          "Because of my role, I know these things," Vaccaro said. "I've heard it all. I've been there for these things."

                          So how many of the big-time, great ones are or were really, truly clean? Vaccaro spent some time thinking about it, running down national championships won, Final Fours made and coaching careers lionized.

                          "I guess three coaches, maybe four, I'm not 100 percent sure about one guy," Vaccaro said. "And even among that group, Knight stands alone, stands above. I've never heard a single thing about him, never heard anything. Nothing. He's the cleanest one."

                          READ FULL COLUMN
                          http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;_...yhoo&type=lgns
                          This is the darkest timeline.

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                          • #28
                            Re: OT: Bob Knight resigns at TT son to coach

                            Originally posted by Shade View Post
                            Knight would sure look good in a Patriots sweater...

                            Bob Knight is really good friends with Bill Belichick, so I guess RMK must have some redeeming qualities.



                            (just kidding, but they are indeed old friends through Parcells, who coached with or against BB's father and of course had BB as an assitant).

                            I enjoyed the RMK era at IU, admire and respect him as a coach and teacher, love watching his teams play, and wish him well.

                            I don't think he was blameless in hastening his departure by not toeing the line better with his behavior. face it, he was a jerk at times. I wish he could have been more composed in situations that ultimately damaged his reputation and IU's. Too bad he couldn't reign in the negatives.

                            Behind the scenes, though, he did many wonderful things too, off the court.

                            The many negatives are, in the big picture, overshadowed by his accomplishments, winning, teaching, and not falling into the lure of illegal recruiting.
                            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                            • #29
                              Re: Bob Knight resigns?

                              Originally posted by Mal View Post
                              I'm not impressed by a coach ripping into a player who played a good first half.....
                              Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              Don't look for me to defend it, but I'm sure the theory was that Michael could take it and the signal it sent to the other players (seeing Michael Jordan torn apart for what they all thought was good play) should really cause them to step up their own games. Maybe even Knight's thinking was that these players as a whole could get more out of this this way than if he lit into the one(s) he really had an issue with (because that player might not take well to direct criticism).
                              Herb Brooks did the same thing with the 1980 Olympic Hockey team leading up to the Olympics. If the 1981 movie "Miracle On Ice" is to be believed Herb would rip into Mike Eruzione when he was mad at the team. Herb told Mike if he called him Eruzione he was really mad at the team but if he called him Mike he was specifically mad at him.

                              Sure it's mind games, but it worked.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Bob Knight resigns?

                                Originally posted by DisplacedKnick View Post

                                Unless there are some truly unique clauses in BK's deal such as, "Tech guarantees Pat a three year contract for $xxxxx dated from the date of my announced retirement."
                                I would've thought any deal already on paper to follow Knight would be in Pat's contract, not Knights....

                                -Bball
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                                ------

                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                                -John Wooden

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