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The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

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  • #1

    The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

    The time has come for our franchise and its leaders to face the bitter truth: The era of the Pacers being playoff contenders is over. We all recognize as members of Pacer Nation that our team is far away from a championship, and is likely to miss the playoffs. Attendance is down, enthusiasm is down, and there is a malaise hanging over our franchise. Our team's spirit is down, our city has it's attention span elsewhere, and the enthusiasm and civic pride our Pacers once provided has slipped into our memory banks, far removed from the reality of the current day. I recognize this, so do most of you reading this.

    I understand the Pacers thinking in trying to make us into a playoff team this season. They don't think we as a fanbase can tolerate a total rebuild, and perhaps in the casual fans thinking they are correct, I don't know. I'm sure memories of telethons, curtains, and half filled arenas have influenced their thinking and their goals, but it's time for the Pacers top brass to finally grasp that Indianapolis and the surrounding pockets of fans aren't the same as 20 years ago, we aren't just happy having a team, we crave being a championship level franchise. We also know are savvy enough in my opinion to realize that reaching the mountain top sometimes means you need to start the journey in the deepest valley. The time to start the trek toward the summit of success needs to start now.

    It's time for Larry Bird to admit to himself that we simply lack the talent necessary to win. It's also way past time to begin planning a way to slowly over time acquire the kind of talented assets and people who can lead us not to being good, but to being extraordinarily good. The Colts have whetted our appetite for sustained excellence, now we know what it feels like and that it can be done with a clear plan and strong structure. But let it be known that the Colts started this from the depths of being the worst franchise in the NFL, accepted that fact, and totally remade how they thought and how they built.

    It's time for this: If Larry Bird doesn't want to re-build, doesn't want to start from scratch and build a true team on a solid foundation instead of the quicksand he inherited, then he apparently lacks the creativity and vision that it takes to do this job. If that is the case, then he needs to be shown the door and thanked for his service.

    Building a franchise from the depths of despair is hard work, but it can be done, and it has been done. But it takes a committment not just from ownership, but from the entire organization including the fanbase....especially the fanbase! Right now our Pacers biggest problem as a franchise lacking focus and direction is that they have no faith in us as fans to stick around thru the darkness of a total collapse and rebirth, they believe they must keep selling us the snake oil of playoff attempts and minor tweaks in order to keep us around, when in fact the exact opposite is true. I think this statement is sad, but true: "The Pacers aren't just bad, the are UNINTERESTING." It is time for the franchise to accept the fact that building a new franchise from the ground up is what is needed.

    Once acceptance is reached, now we need understanding. By that I mean our top brass needs to understand our own players, and the business of winning. If truly winning is a long process that is 2 or 3 years away, then what are we waiting for to begin the quest from the Valley to the Mountain top? To me the model we need to follow is in Portland, where a market our size with a fanbase like ours finally rose up and DEMANDED changes with their horrible leadership, and finally the team got the message. In a short time, they've became perhaps the NBA franchise with the brightest future in the entire league. They made a plan, they accepted what they were, they understood what they needed to do, and they have continued to execute it. Our Pacers can do what Portland is doing, if we have as an organization the courage to change.

    Portland understood that some players would have to go, almost no matter what they got back. They had an owner who tired of reading about is team's players in the police blotter, and made the moves financially to rid his players the stigma of the stench their losing ways left in the nostrils of the paying customers in the Rose Garden. Will the Simon's step up and buy guys out if needed? Do they truly want to win and win the right way? How important is it to them? These are some of the questions that will determine how quickly our Pacers re-birth can happen.

    After acceptance and understanding comes action. I think almost all of us believe the time has come for Tinsley to go, so I will not discuss him here. Jermaine has a huge contract that complicates matters, and it will likely be extremely difficult to move him until at least the summer, hopefully near the draft. Therefore, I won't really discuss him either.

    What I do want to discuss is the opportunity we have in the next 3 weeks or so to begin the rebuilding process with moves that will begin the long journey up the mountain for us. We have some very tradeable assets I believe, and I believe that trading some of them, even if it is for less than optimal value, needs to happen to clearly begin the rising from the ashes or franchise and its fans are thirsting for.

    In many ways, even though I'm not his biggest fan, JEFF FOSTER epitomizes the attitude and work ethic we wish all of our players had. He has been a true warrior, a solid professional, and a great example of how a player with limited skills can carve out a great career as a professional athlete.

    Having said that, 3 years from now when we can be a championship level contender again, Jeff Foster won't be here. The time to trade Foster is now, in the next 3 weeks, to a team who he can help right now. There are excellent trade possibilities for Foster to teams like the Lakers, San Antonio, Utah, Dallas and Portland.....and perhaps others. We need to get young players with potential (Javaris Crittendon, Martell Webster, Ronnie Brewer, Rudy Fernandez to name a few) at positions we need. We need expiring contracts, and we need to collect a low level first round pick or multiple second rounders.

    Some of you can come up with some good Foster trades, if you like. I hate to give him up too emotionally, but the time for bold action is now, where his value has never been higher.

    We need to explore the possibility of trading Mike Dunleavy Jr as well. He may be our best player currently, or at least close to it, but no team with Dunleavy as it's big gun will ever win a title. The time to move him is in the next 3 weeks, to a team he can fit well with and that has assets we need to build with to give up. By playing the best he has ever played, Dunleavy still hasn't made our overall franchise have a better future, unless we deal him now while his value is at his highest peak.

    Some teams that may like Dunleavy would include the Clippers, Lakers, Houston, Utah, and Pheonix.

    Marquis Daniels can be a useful player for a playoff caliber team, but for us he is just taking time away from players who need to play for the sake of the future. It would be great to get expiring deals, draft picks, and perhaps a useful young player for Daniels, and getting out of his contract and saving the money is another great bonus. As it turned out, keeping Croshere's huge expiring deal would've been a much better move than trading it for Marquis Daniels.

    Daniels would seem to be a good fit perhaps in Dallas, Golden State, Pheonix or maybe in New Orleans.

    David Harrison also needs to go, and it really doesn't matter what you get for him as long as it is an expiring contract or a future pick. Harrison might make sense in Golden State or maybe Denver. More than anything, Harrison needs to be away from the other young guys you bring in in the other deals, and to be made an example of.

    Trading these guys here in February enables to save money, stockpile late first round picks perhaps, and hopefully get a young player or 2 for a future. This is necessary even if it means getting only 75 cents on the dollar, because it forces Jim O'Brien to play Shawne Williams and Ike Diogu, so we can see what we have in those 2 young guys. It also assures that we make the lottery without having to intentionally play badly, which I view as an ultimate sin against the game and its spirit.

    But more than any of that, it sets us clearly on the path of being a championship contender again, albeit a few years down the road. It is time to take our medicine in my opinion, and make the moves that are painful but necessary to once again rise as the basketball capital of the world.

    In the summertime, with a new direction clearly established, it will now make it easier to deal the others who must be dealt to complete the purge. We won't be as dependent on getting certain positions back, and we can search and trade for talent rather than need.

    Doing it this way, having the courage to fundamentally change the way we do business, will take a bold stream of leadership from the top on down. We do not need Larry Bird or Donnie Walsh to make this a priority, we need the Simon's to make it happen. You will not read criticism of Bird/Walsh from me (very much lol) in the beginning of March if we don't make bold moves, because they likely are only doing what is acceptable to those above them.

    "Accept, Understand, and Act." Herb and Mel, the eyes of Indiana are on you in the next 21 days or so.




    As always, the above is just my opinion.

    Tbird
    Last edited by thunderbird1245; 02-01-2008, 12:48 PM.
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  • #2
    Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

    we need to trade for something to inject a shot into the franchise...you can't tell me that someone like boston who threw away some pretty much crap to get ray allen...we couldn't do the same?
    "GIMMIE DAT!"-DANGER

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    • #3
      Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

      , TBird. I agree whole-heartedly.

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      • #4
        Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

        Amen! Preach, brother!
        And I won't be here to see the day
        It all dries up and blows away
        I'd hang around just to see
        But they never had much use for me
        In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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        • #5
          Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

          The thing TBTP seem not to understand is that the Pacers will
          get as many and maybe more fans to show up if they see a
          team trying to rebuild with promise for the future as they're
          getting now to watch a team that's simply spinning it's wheels.

          The post-Brawl stretch when fans rallied behind that group of
          overachievers should have made that clear.

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          • #6
            Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

            I don't like the sugestion to trade Foster, but you are right: TPTB needs to do everything with the objective of winning three years from now. Foster won't be part of that team, so we must be willing to deal him.

            Just one question, Tbird. Dunleavy is, as you say, not a player to build around. But isn't he good enough to play a part on a championship team three years from now?

            We've got how many pieces of a championship team right now? Really not more than a couple of players and a great stadium. I'd add O'Brien, but my good friend Peck would not agree with that. So we really only have a few pieces. Even three years becomes a short amount of time to rebuild the whole team, its ethic, playing style, competitive spirit, etc. Wouldn't keeping Dunleavy (as a possible 6th man lined up behind better starters) be a good idea?
            And I won't be here to see the day
            It all dries up and blows away
            I'd hang around just to see
            But they never had much use for me
            In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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            • #7
              Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions



              Tbird, that is the best response to the entire situation this franchise faces that I have seen to date. Many others have said it in different ways, but you have said it best.

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              • #8
                Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

                Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                I don't like the sugestion to trade Foster, but you are right: TPTB needs to do everything with the objective of winning three years from now. Foster won't be part of that team, so we must be willing to deal him.

                Just one question, Tbird. Dunleavy is, as you say, not a player to build around. But isn't he good enough to play a part on a championship team three years from now?

                We've got how many pieces of a championship team right now? Really not more than a couple of players and a great stadium. I'd add O'Brien, but my good friend Peck would not agree with that. So we really only have a few pieces. Even three years becomes a short amount of time to rebuild the whole team, its ethic, playing style, competitive spirit, etc. Wouldn't keeping Dunleavy (as a possible 6th man lined up behind better starters) be a good idea?

                I like Dunleavy as a basketball player, let me be clear about that. He is smart, plays hard, plays the right way with hustle, desire and stability. He plays every game, doesn't complain, and produces to the utmost of his ability. I not only think Dunleavy can be a really good player on a championship team 3 years from now, I think he can be a really good player on the right type of team right now.

                I just don't think he and Granger are a particular good combination together, and I think Dunleavy is an asset we can use to get other things done that we need to do.

                I strongly believe that we Dunleavy would be a great player to have, but he needs a really strong wing defender along side him to be part of a winning team. He and Granger are very similar in that regard in my view, as I don't see Granger as nearly the defender that many of you do. Therefore, both of them need a really good perimeter defender around them, so they can concentrate on scoring and doing other things. I think they together are a bad combination defensively.

                Dunleavy can get us a better return on our money in a trade, in my view, and I think Granger has more long term upside.

                If by magic you could substitute Dunleavy for Ginobili in San Antonio for example ( a well built team with a scoring and good defending point guard, a great defender in Bruce Bowen, and a premier inside defender in Duncan) then I think Dunleavy fits very well. But you wouldn't want a Dunleavy-Ginobili combination, because then you'd have 2 similar players.....that's similar to how I view Dunleavy-Granger.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

                  Nice job T-bird. I have stated on this board that Foster is gone. I don't like it but a player like him is going to be in demand. Tinsley, O'Neal - just get what you can. The only way they would be a factor in rebuilding is if they are gone. Harrison - whatever.

                  Your thought on the fanbase is interesting. You stated Portland fans DEMANDED change. For the past couple of years the Pacers fans may have not been demanding - how about prompting - and it showed in attendance. This year - they have made a STATEMENT.

                  I agree with a complete overhaul. We've had to do it before. It wasn't pretty but we did it. i went through it and I'm still here.

                  I must be a REAL fan!
                  The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

                    Originally posted by OnlyPacersLeft View Post
                    we need to trade for something to inject a shot into the franchise...you can't tell me that someone like boston who threw away some pretty much crap to get ray allen...we couldn't do the same?
                    Boston gave up the #5 pick to get Ray Allen. That's not crap.
                    "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                    - Salman Rushdie

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

                      I'm completely down with this proposal. I think the writing was on the wall last year. Maybe even the summer before last season.

                      Tbird, you're definitely right on target about the Granger-Dunleavy similarity. Perhaps the biggest similarity is the optimal position for each to play is SF, in addition to the skill set comparison. I know I have suggested a couple of times the need to move one of our many wings just to try and fix the unbalanced roster. There's no better time than now to move one of those two.

                      If Tins is back and playing beginning Fri., would be happy to move him along before the deadline, too.

                      Honestly, if the guys you mention are sent packing and a JO deal gets done over the summer, of the remainder of the guys only DG, SW, TD, and KR do much of anything for me. DG and SW would hopefully develop into major pieces in the future foundation and TD and KR would be excellent in the 2nd unit. Love to throw Ike in there but I really have my doubts. The most serious of which is his size/height disadvantage for where he needs to line up, PF.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                      -Emiliano Zapata

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

                        Jeff Foster for Trevor Ariza/Crittendon works, for those who are high on Crittendon.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

                          Losing games when we are rebuilding sucks but IMHO is expected.

                          But losing games ( especially against teams that we should be beating ) when we have been told that we are trying to make the Playoffs sucks even more if not disheartening.....cuz it means that no matter how much we try.....clearly it isn't good enough to beat most teams.

                          I have no problem with losing games, as long as I know that the direction that the SS Pacers is pointed towards rebuiliding and that we are doing our best to play those players that are part of the future and weeding out those that shouldn't be.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

                            Originally posted by thunderbird1245 View Post
                            I like Dunleavy as a basketball player, let me be clear about that. He is smart, plays hard, plays the right way with hustle, desire and stability. He plays every game, doesn't complain, and produces to the utmost of his ability. I not only think Dunleavy can be a really good player on a championship team 3 years from now, I think he can be a really good player on the right type of team right now.

                            I just don't think he and Granger are a particular good combination together, and I think Dunleavy is an asset we can use to get other things done that we need to do.

                            I strongly believe that we Dunleavy would be a great player to have, but he needs a really strong wing defender along side him to be part of a winning team. He and Granger are very similar in that regard in my view, as I don't see Granger as nearly the defender that many of you do. Therefore, both of them need a really good perimeter defender around them, so they can concentrate on scoring and doing other things. I think they together are a bad combination defensively.

                            Dunleavy can get us a better return on our money in a trade, in my view, and I think Granger has more long term upside.

                            If by magic you could substitute Dunleavy for Ginobili in San Antonio for example ( a well built team with a scoring and good defending point guard, a great defender in Bruce Bowen, and a premier inside defender in Duncan) then I think Dunleavy fits very well. But you wouldn't want a Dunleavy-Ginobili combination, because then you'd have 2 similar players.....that's similar to how I view Dunleavy-Granger.
                            Easy solution........TPTB should do what the both of us have agreed they should do.......sign Quinton Ross in the offseason as our role-playing perimeter defender. Have Dunleavy come off the bench as the 6th Man while trying to minimize the # of minutes that both Granger and he share on the court at the same time. When we need some defense.....play Ross with either of them...either individually...or at the same time.

                            Either way.....I agree with Putnam....unless we get players that totally fit what we are doing, expiring contracts or even draft picks for Dunleavy......then I would prefer to keep him. To me, he's one of those players ( much like Foster is ) that is worth more to the team then he is to others.
                            Last edited by CableKC; 01-30-2008, 05:31 PM.
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                              Re: The Days of Malaise: Acceptance, Understanding, and Actions

                              Every year, the new season brings in a new motto. Something always giving the fans of false hope of being better than last year. TPTB need to come out and blantly say that the Pacers are going to rebuild, and they need the fans support more than ever. I feel like the casual fans are turning their backs because we're always being fed some false hope. Indiana basketball is filled with pride. The fans will come to support a rebuilding proccess. We just need a solid direction to follow. Solid players with good qualities. I could easily welcome something like that. It's hard being a fan of the team we have now. Injuries (oneal), bad media attention (harrison), crazy suspensions/injuries (tinsley).

                              I'm so glad we still have Foster. Who doesn't like the guy?
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