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    I can only count AD, DD, and Danny Granger as anyone who did anything. Brezec actually turned out to be an ok player for the Bobcats...but seriously! This team hasnt drafted anyone that is a difference maker in the last 16 years. I will admit our picks were on avg in the lat teens to 20s. But, there is always teams find great talent later in the first round...but not the Pacers




    Year
    LgRoundPickOverallPlayerCollege
    2006NBA11717Shawne WilliamsUniversity of Memphis
    2006NBA21545Alexander JohnsonFlorida State University
    2005NBA11717Danny GrangerUniversity of New Mexico
    2005NBA21646Erazem Lorbek
    2004NBA12929David HarrisonUniversity of Colorado
    2004NBA23059Rashad WrightUniversity of Georgia
    2003NBA22049James JonesUniversity of Miami
    2002NBA11414Fred JonesUniversity of Oregon
    2001NBA21240Jamison BrewerAuburn University
    2000NBA12727Primoz Brezec
    2000NBA22756Jaquay WallsUniversity of Colorado
    1999NBA12626Vonteego CummingsUniversity of Pittsburgh
    1998NBA12525Al Harrington
    1997NBA11212Austin CroshereProvidence College
    1996NBA11010Erick DampierMississippi State University
    1996NBA22352Mark PopeUniversity of Kentucky
    1995NBA12323Travis BestGeorgia Institute of Technology
    1995NBA22352Fred HoibergIowa State University
    1994NBA11515Eric PiatkowskiUniversity of Nebraska
    1994NBA21441William Njoku
    1994NBA21744Damon BaileyIndiana University
    1993NBA11414Scott HaskinOregon State University
    1993NBA21239Thomas HillDuke University
    1993NBA22451Spencer DunkleyUniversity of Delaware
    1992NBA11414Malik SealySt. John's University
    1991NBA11313Dale DavisClemson University
    1991NBA21441Sean GreenIona College
    1990NBA21845Antonio DavisUniversity of Texas at El Paso
    1990NBA21946Kenny WilliamsElizabeth City State University

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    Antonio Davis
    Dale Davis
    (Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
    Fred Hoiberg
    Travis Best
    Erick Dampier
    Austin Croshere
    Al Harrington
    Primoz Brezec
    Danny Granger

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    Malik Sealy was a good player who lost his life to a drunk driver.

    We traded him to get Mark Jackson, I think, so that was not a bad pick at all.

    After 10 years Austin is still around, so he's not awful. Al too.

    Overall I am sure that many years there were better players on the board, but also quite often there was no one to pick who would not have also been a bust.

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    Antonio Davis
    Dale Davis
    (Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
    Fred Hoiberg
    Travis Best
    Erick Dampier
    Austin Croshere
    Al Harrington
    Primoz Brezec
    Danny Granger
    Any that have made impacts? I will say Danny has the best chance, but sometimes I wonder about his game.

    Fred did have some good years in Minny, but not for Indy. Travis was always a great backup I thought.

    Dampier had one good seaon before his BIG CONTRACT, after that...ugh. Not in INDY

    Al, well....I dont really know. He just never seemed to make the impact everyone thought. I think we would of still had Al if RC wasnt the coach. Same goes for Ron.
    Both Davis boys were very good draft picks....but I am talking about that impact player. The lasy IMPACT player we had was Reggie. And that was how many years ago?

    The Indiana Pacers NEED a new face. Someone that is the FACE of the Pacers. And I do believe they will have to get rid of JO and JT before we are 100% away from the brawl.

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    A lot of those picks were late first rounders and second rounders, where talent is hard to find. Look at the list and you'll find no pick better than 10th in the first round.

    James Jones was quite a find in the second round. Fred Jones was good.

    If we were Atlanta, I would be going nuts over their choices over the years.

    And to get technical, Antonio Davis was drafted, released, then signed from Europe as a FA.

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    Malik Sealy was solid. He's underrated because he died young.

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    Malik Sealy was solid. He's underrated because he died young.
    Agreed. And we had bad luck with injuries with Haskin and Bender.

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    As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

    1991: Rich King (C)
    1992: Anthony Peeler (SG)
    1993: Doug Edwards (SF)
    1994: Clifford Rozier (PF)
    1995: Loren Meyer (PF)
    1996: Todd Fuller (C)
    1997: Derek Anderson (SG)
    1998: Sam Jacobson (SG)
    1999: Jumaine Jones (SF)
    2000: Erick Barkley (PG)
    2001: Boštjan Nachbar (SF)
    2004: Anderson Varej„o (PF)
    2005: Gerald Green (G/F)
    2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (PF)


    Is that better than what we got?

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    Besides Varejao, we got way better value than the pick after us, no questions asked.

    And Bambam, I think your definition of a "impact player" is what most of us here at PD would call a "star", and you're not going to find too many of those first option caliber guys at 15 or so in the draft.

    The only year we really blew it was the Bender year.

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    We retained the right to Antonio Davis while he was in Europe.

    He was not a free agent signing.

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    1991
    Hard to argue with Dale Davis at 13 in that draft.
    1992
    Sealy @ 14 while Doug Christie(17), Jon Barry (21)& Latrell Spreewell (24) were still on the board. Death or no death those players were better from the get go.
    1993
    Haskin @ 14 while Ervin Johnson, Sam Cassell & Chris Mills were on the board. That was head scratcher at the time, remember.
    1994
    Piatkowski was picked for the Clippers. Who was then coupled with the '92 1st rounder Sealy & Pooh Richardson ( that cost the Pacers former 4th pick The Rifleman & starting PG Michael Williams) for the original Jacko.
    1995
    Hard to argue w/ Best @ 23
    1996
    Dampier while Potapenko, Kobe, Peja, Nash, JO & Big Z were still on the board hard to argue that one.
    1997
    Crosh @ 12 over Derek Anderson, Maurice Taylor, Kelvin Cato & Brevin Knight
    1998
    Al @ 25 good job
    1999
    Cummingswas picked for the Warriors so we could have Jeff at the additional expense of our '01 1st rounder that ironically turned out to be Troy Murphy
    2000
    Brezec 27 no real players after that. I'm not including guys like Redd everybody passed on him and that was 20 some picks later.
    2001
    See 1999 & 2003
    2002
    Freddie @ 14 while Juan Dixon, Kareem Rush & Tayshaun Prince went elsewhere
    2003
    See Jamaal Tinsley
    2004
    David Harrison @ 29 gets a pass by most but not me since Varejao went next and Duhon went 7 later.

    I'll stop there since nobody wants to hear how they passed up some pretty good point guards to get both Danny & Shawne.

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    As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

    1991: Rich King (C)
    1992: Anthony Peeler (SG)
    1993: Doug Edwards (SF)
    1994: Clifford Rozier (PF)
    1995: Loren Meyer (PF)
    1996: Todd Fuller (C)
    1997: Derek Anderson (SG)
    1998: Sam Jacobson (SG)
    1999: Jumaine Jones (SF)
    2000: Erick Barkley (PG)
    2001: Boštjan Nachbar (SF)
    2004: Anderson Varej„o (PF)
    2005: Gerald Green (G/F)
    2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (PF)


    Is that better than what we got?

    Touche, FlavaDave! Very clever way to answer the question. Dr. Goldfoot goes a little deeper and shows that the Pacers haven't always gotten the best players that were available. But we know more about the players now than even the best scouts knew before their NBA careers began.

    It's a crap shoot, folks! And most of the time, you get crap.
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    Besides Varejao, we got way better value than the pick after us, no questions asked.
    i'd like to ask a question... wouldn't you have rather had jumaine jones over vonteego cummings? jones had at least several productive years in the nba.
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    As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

    1991: Rich King (C)
    1992: Anthony Peeler (SG)
    1993: Doug Edwards (SF)
    1994: Clifford Rozier (PF)
    1995: Loren Meyer (PF)
    1996: Todd Fuller (C)
    1997: Derek Anderson (SG)
    1998: Sam Jacobson (SG)
    1999: Jumaine Jones (SF)
    2000: Erick Barkley (PG)
    2001: Boštjan Nachbar (SF)
    2004: Anderson Varej„o (PF)
    2005: Gerald Green (G/F)
    2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (PF)


    Is that better than what we got?

    I will admit most were probably as good as we were going to get....BUT check these drafts out!

    1996

    NO.

    PLAYER, SCHOOL/COUNTRY

    TEAM

    1.

    Allen Iverson, Georgetown

    Philadelphia

    2.

    Marcus Camby, Massachusetts

    Toronto

    3.

    Shareef Abdur-Rahim, California

    Vancouver

    4.

    Stephon Marbury, Georgia Tech

    Milwaukee (1)

    5.

    Ray Allen, Connecticut

    Minnesota (1)

    6.

    Antoine Walker, Kentucky

    Boston

    7.

    Lorenzen Wright, Memphis

    L.A. Clippers

    8.

    Kerry Kittles, Villanova

    New Jersey

    9.

    Samaki Walker, Louisville

    Dallas

    10.

    Erick Dampier, Mississippi State

    Indiana

    11.

    Todd Fuller, North Carolina State

    Golden State

    12.

    Vitaly Potapenko, Wright State

    Cleveland

    13.

    Kobe Bryant, Lower Merion HS (Pa.)

    Charlotte

    14.

    Predrag Stojakovic, Serbia & Montenegro

    Sacramento

    15.

    Steve Nash, Santa Clara

    Phoenix

    16.

    Tony Delk, Kentucky

    Charlotte

    17.

    Jermaine O'Neal, Eau Claire HS (S.C.)

    Portland

    18.

    John Wallace, Syracuse

    New York

    19.

    Walter McCarty, Kentucky

    New York

    20.

    Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Lithuania

    Cleveland

    21.

    Dontae' Jones, Mississippi State

    New York

    22.

    Roy Rogers, Alabama

    Vancouver

    23.

    Efthimis Rentzias, Greece

    Denver

    24.

    Derek Fisher, Arkansas-Little Rock

    L.A. Lakers

    25.

    Martin Muursepp, Estonia

    Utah (2)

    26.

    Jerome Williams, Georgetown

    Detroit

    27.

    Brian Evans, Indiana

    Orlando

    28.

    Priest Lauderdale, Central State

    Atlanta

    29.

    Travis Knight, Connecticut

    Chicago



    Have to say we could of gotten better here.

    In 2002 the Pacers could of had
    Tayshaun Prince...instead of Jones. But if I remember right that was Thomas choice at that time...and look what he has done to the CBA and NYK.

    I also forgot about JT...who we didnt draft, was part of a trade that we got via Atlanta and Memphis.

    We lost last years first round pick for Al who we only had for about 4 months.
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    i'd like to ask a question... wouldn't you have rather had jumaine jones over vonteego cummings? jones had at least several productive years in the nba.
    Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

    This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.

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    Nice post Goldfoot. I am not rying to start a big arguement with anyone. I was just trying to start a post to see other ideas and thoughts. Not tryingt o make anyone made or anything like that.

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    Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

    This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.
    i know you just said no question so i felt compelled to ask one. i'm contrarian by nature
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    In 2002 the Pacers could of had
    Tayshaun Prince...instead of Jones. But if I remember right that was Thomas choice at that time...and look what he has done to the CBA and NYK.
    arguably the only thing isiah has done well since joining the knicks is draft.
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    I agree with what I think the premise of this thread is and that's you can't rely on the draft to get the players you need. For further proof just ask....Chris Mullin, Sam Perkins, Mark Jackson, Jermaine O'Neal, Byron Scott, Derrick McKey, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, Jalen Rose, Tank Thompson, Haywood Workman, Detlef Schrempf, Anthony Johnson, Stephen Jackson etc....

    Hell even Erick Dampier, Jeff Foster & Jamaal Tinsley were acquired thru trades originally.

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    I have a feeling that looking at these Pacer picks all lined up by year can sort of skew the perspective a little bit. So just for reference's sake, here's how some of the other "teams of the 1990s" have compared to us (using these teams cause they probably have similar mid-Teens to mid-20s selection history and like us haven't spent much time in the lottery)

    New York Knicks

    YearLgRoundPickOverallPlayerCollege
    2007NBA12323Wilson ChandlerDePaul University
    2006NBA12020Renaldo BalkmanUniversity of South Carolina
    2006NBA12929Mardy CollinsTemple University
    2005NBA188Channing FryeUniversity of Arizona
    2005NBA13030David LeeUniversity of Florida
    2005NBA22454Dijon ThompsonUniversity of California, Los Angeles
    2004NBA21443Trevor ArizaUniversity of California, Los Angeles
    2003NBA199Mike SweetneyGeorgetown University
    2003NBA2130Maciej Lampe
    2003NBA21039Slavko Vranes
    2002NBA177Nene Hilario
    2002NBA2735Milos Vujanic
    2001NBA21038Michael WrightUniversity of Arizona
    2001NBA21442Eric ChenowithUniversity of Kansas
    2000NBA21039Lavor PostellSt. John's University
    2000NBA22958Pete MickealUniversity of Cincinnati
    1999NBA11515Frederic Weis
    1999NBA21746J.R. KochUniversity of Iowa
    1998NBA2938DeMarco JohnsonUniversity of North Carolina at Charlotte
    1998NBA21544Sean MarksUniversity of California
    1997NBA12525John ThomasUniversity of Minnesota
    1996NBA11818John WallaceSyracuse University
    1996NBA11919Walter McCartyUniversity of Kentucky
    1996NBA12121Dontae JonesMississippi State University
    1994NBA12424Monty WilliamsUniversity of Notre Dame
    1994NBA12626Charlie WardFlorida State University
    1992NBA12020Hubert DavisUniversity of North Carolina
    1991NBA11212Greg AnthonyUniversity of Nevada, Las Vegas
    1990NBA11717Jerrod MustafUniversity of Maryland


    Utah Jazz (Pretty much "Pacers West" since 1992ish)

    YearLgRoundPickOverallPlayerCollege
    2007NBA12525Morris AlmondRice University
    2007NBA22555Herbert HillProvidence College
    2006NBA11414Ronnie BrewerUniversity of Arkansas
    2006NBA21646Dee BrownUniversity of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
    2006NBA21747Paul MillsapLouisiana Tech University
    2005NBA133Deron WilliamsUniversity of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
    2005NBA2434C.J. Miles
    2005NBA22151Robert WhaleyWalsh University
    2004NBA11414Kris HumphriesUniversity of Minnesota
    2004NBA11616Kirk SnyderUniversity of Nevada, Reno
    2004NBA12121Pavel Podkolzine
    2003NBA11919Aleksandar Pavlovic
    2003NBA21847Maurice WilliamsUniversity of Alabama
    2002NBA11919Ryan HumphreyUniversity of Notre Dame
    2002NBA21846Jamal SampsonUniversity of California
    2001NBA12424Raul Lopez
    2001NBA22452Jarron CollinsStanford University
    2000NBA12323DeShawn Stevenson
    2000NBA22150Kaniel DickensUniversity of Idaho
    1999NBA11919Quincy LewisUniversity of Minnesota
    1999NBA12424Andrei Kirilenko
    1999NBA12828Scott PadgettUniversity of Kentucky
    1999NBA22958Eddie LucasVirginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
    1998NBA12929Nazr MohammedUniversity of Kentucky
    1998NBA22857Torraye BraggsXavier University
    1997NBA12727Jacque VaughnUniversity of Kansas
    1997NBA22856Nate ErdmannUniversity of Oklahoma
    1996NBA12525Martin Muursepp
    1996NBA22554Shandon AndersonUniversity of Georgia
    1995NBA12828Greg OstertagUniversity of Kansas
    1994NBA22047Jamie WatsonUniversity of South Carolina
    1993NBA11818Luther WrightSeton Hall University
    1993NBA21845Bryon RussellCalifornia State University, Long Beach
    1991NBA12121Eric MurdockProvidence College
    1991NBA22148Isaac AustinArizona State University
    1990NBA2633Walter PalmerDartmouth College


    Houston Rockets

    YearLgRoundPickOverallPlayerCollege

    2007NBA12626Aaron BrooksUniversity of Oregon
    2007NBA22454Brad Newley
    2006NBA188Rudy GayUniversity of Connecticut
    2006NBA2232Steve NovakMarquette University
    2005NBA12424Luther HeadUniversity of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
    2004NBA22655Luis FloresManhattan College
    2003NBA21544Malick Badiane
    2002NBA111Yao Ming
    2002NBA11515Bostjan Nachbar
    2002NBA2937Tito MaddoxCalifornia State University, Fresno
    2001NBA11313Richard JeffersonUniversity of Arizona
    2001NBA11818Jason CollinsStanford University
    2001NBA12323Brandon ArmstrongPepperdine University
    2000NBA11515Jason CollierGeorgia Institute of Technology
    2000NBA2231Dan LanghiVanderbilt University
    1999NBA12222Kenny ThomasUniversity of New Mexico
    1999NBA21544Tyrone WashingtonMississippi State University
    1999NBA22150Venson HamiltonUniversity of Nebraska
    1998NBA11414Michael DickersonUniversity of Arizona
    1998NBA11616Bryce DrewValparaiso University
    1998NBA11818Mirsad Turkcan
    1998NBA21241Cuttino MobleyUniversity of Rhode Island
    1997NBA12424Rodrick RhodesUniversity of Southern California
    1997NBA2129Serge ZwikkerUniversity of North Carolina
    1996NBA2130Othella HarringtonGeorgetown University
    1996NBA21342Randy LivingstonLouisiana State University
    1996NBA22150Terrell BellUniversity of Georgia
    1995NBA21241Erik MeekDuke University
    1994NBA22653Albert BurdittUniversity of Texas at Austin
    1993NBA12424Sam CassellFlorida State University
    1993NBA21946Richard PetruskaUniversity of California, Los Angeles
    1993NBA22350Marcelo Nicola
    1992NBA11111Robert HorryUniversity of Alabama
    1992NBA21441Popeye JonesMurray State University
    1992NBA22653Curtis BlairUniversity of Richmond
    1991NBA12020John TurnerPhillips University
    1991NBA22047Keith HughesRutgers University
    1991NBA22451Zan Tabak
    1990NBA11212Alec KesslerUniversity of Georgia


    Miami Heat

    YearLgRoundPickOverallPlayerCollege
    2007NBA12020Jason SmithColorado State University
    2007NBA2939Stanko Barac
    2005NBA12929Wayne SimienUniversity of Kansas
    2004NBA11919Dorell Wright
    2004NBA21847Pape SowCalifornia State University, Fullerton
    2004NBA22453Matt FreijeVanderbilt University
    2003NBA155Dwyane WadeMarquette University
    2003NBA2433Jerome BeasleyUniversity of North Dakota
    2002NBA11010Caron ButlerUniversity of Connecticut
    2002NBA22452Rasual ButlerLaSalle University
    2001NBA22048Ken JohnsonOhio State University
    2000NBA2837Eddie HouseArizona State University
    2000NBA22352Ernest BrownIndian Hills Community College
    1999NBA12525Tim JamesUniversity of Miami
    1999NBA22453Rodney BufordCreighton University
    1998NBA22251Corey BrewerUniversity of Oklahoma
    1997NBA12626Charles SmithUniversity of New Mexico
    1997NBA2230Mark SanfordUniversity of Washington
    1995NBA11010Kurt ThomasTexas Christian University
    1995NBA21746George BanksUniversity of Texas at El Paso
    1994NBA11212Khalid ReevesUniversity of Arizona
    1994NBA21340Jeff WebsterUniversity of Oklahoma
    1993NBA2835Ed StokesUniversity of Arizona
    1992NBA11212Harold MinerUniversity of Southern California
    1992NBA21037Isaiah MorrisUniversity of Arkansas
    1992NBA21542Matt GeigerGeorgia Institute of Technology
    1991NBA155Steve SmithMichigan State University
    1991NBA2229George AcklesUniversity of Nevada, Las Vegas
    1990NBA199Willie BurtonUniversity of Minnesota
    1990NBA11515Dave JamersonOhio University
    1990NBA2330Carl HerreraUniversity of Houston
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    Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

    This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.

    Then why did they trade up in the draft for Foster? and trade away a pick for two years down the road? Not questioning you just that thought.

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    1996

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    PLAYER, SCHOOL/COUNTRY


    TEAM


    1.


    Allen Iverson, Georgetown


    Philadelphia


    2.


    Marcus Camby, Massachusetts


    Toronto


    3.


    Shareef Abdur-Rahim, California


    Vancouver


    4.


    Stephon Marbury, Georgia Tech


    Milwaukee (1)


    5.


    Ray Allen, Connecticut


    Minnesota (1)


    6.


    Antoine Walker, Kentucky


    Boston


    7.


    Lorenzen Wright, Memphis


    L.A. Clippers


    8.


    Kerry Kittles, Villanova


    New Jersey


    9.


    Samaki Walker, Louisville


    Dallas


    10.


    Erick Dampier, Mississippi State


    Indiana


    11.


    Todd Fuller, North Carolina State


    Golden State


    12.


    Vitaly Potapenko, Wright State


    Cleveland


    13.


    Kobe Bryant, Lower Merion HS (Pa.)


    Charlotte


    14.


    Predrag Stojakovic, Serbia & Montenegro


    Sacramento


    15.


    Steve Nash, Santa Clara


    Phoenix


    16.


    Tony Delk, Kentucky


    Charlotte


    17.


    Jermaine O'Neal, Eau Claire HS (S.C.)


    Portland


    18.


    John Wallace, Syracuse


    New York


    19.


    Walter McCarty, Kentucky


    New York


    20.


    Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Lithuania


    Cleveland


    21.


    Dontae' Jones, Mississippi State


    New York


    22.


    Roy Rogers, Alabama


    Vancouver


    23.


    Efthimis Rentzias, Greece


    Denver


    24.


    Derek Fisher, Arkansas-Little Rock


    L.A. Lakers


    25.


    Martin Muursepp, Estonia


    Utah (2)


    26.


    Jerome Williams, Georgetown


    Detroit


    27.


    Brian Evans, Indiana


    Orlando


    28.


    Priest Lauderdale, Central State


    Atlanta


    29.


    Travis Knight, Connecticut


    Chicago


    This draft is a perfect case for why it's stupid to get too excited about all these big guys that shoot up draftboards every year. Wright, Dampier, Walker, Potapenko, Fuller were guys who were largely selected so highly because of their size. When I hear people talk about all the big guys this year (DeAndre Jordan, Devon Hardin, Hasheem Thabeet, John Riek, Kosta Koufos, Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert) it scares me to think that the Pacers might draft one of these dudes. If we can learn anything from history, it's that 1 of these guys may actually become a star, 2 will become decent starters, a couple more will stick around as journeyman backups, and a couple will be out of the league in a few years. You can say this about every position, but the bust factor seems to be much higher with big guys.
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    YearLgRoundPickOverallPlayerCollege
    2007NBA199Joakim NoahUniversity of Florida
    2007NBA21949Aaron GrayUniversity of Pittsburgh
    2007NBA22151JamesOn CurryOklahoma State University
    2006NBA122LaMarcus AldridgeUniversity of Texas at Austin
    2006NBA11616Rodney CarneyUniversity of Memphis
    2004NBA133Ben GordonUniversity of Connecticut
    2004NBA2231Jackson VromanIowa State University
    2004NBA2938Chris DuhonDuke University
    2003NBA177Kirk HinrichUniversity of Kansas
    2003NBA2736Mario AustinMississippi State University
    2003NBA21645Matt BonnerUniversity of Florida
    2003NBA22453Tommy SmithArizona State University
    2002NBA122Jay WilliamsDuke University
    2002NBA2230Roger MasonUniversity of Virginia
    2002NBA21543Lonny BaxterUniversity of Maryland
    2001NBA144Eddy Curry
    2001NBA2129Trenton HassellAustin Peay State University
    2001NBA21644Sean LampleyUniversity of California
    2000NBA144Marcus FizerIowa State University
    2000NBA188Jamal CrawfordUniversity of Michigan
    2000NBA12424Dalibor Bagaric
    2000NBA2332A.J. GuytonIndiana University
    2000NBA2433Jake VoskuhlUniversity of Connecticut
    2000NBA2534Khalid El-AminUniversity of Connecticut
    1999NBA111Elton BrandDuke University
    1999NBA11616Ron ArtestSt. John's University
    1999NBA2332Michael RuffinUniversity of Tulsa
    1999NBA22049Lari KetnerUniversity of Massachusetts Amherst
    1998NBA12828Corey BenjaminOregon State University
    1998NBA2534Shammond WilliamsUniversity of North Carolina
    1998NBA22958Maceo BastonUniversity of Michigan
    1997NBA12828Keith BoothUniversity of Maryland
    1997NBA22957Roberto Duenas
    1996NBA12929Travis KnightUniversity of Connecticut
    1995NBA12020Jason CaffeyUniversity of Alabama
    1995NBA2231Dragan Tarlac
    1994NBA12121Dickey SimpkinsProvidence College
    1994NBA22249Kris BrutonBenedict College
    1993NBA12525Corie BlountUniversity of Cincinnati
    1993NBA21441Anthony ReedTulane University
    1992NBA12727Byron HoustonOklahoma State University
    1992NBA2633Corey WilliamsOklahoma State University
    1992NBA21239Litterial GreenUniversity of Georgia
    1992NBA22552Matt SteigengaMichigan State University
    1991NBA12626Mark RandallUniversity of Kansas
    1990NBA2229Toni Kukoc


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    YearLgRoundPickOverallPlayerCollege
    2007NBA111Greg OdenOhio State University
    2007NBA2737Josh McRobertsDuke University
    2007NBA21242Derrick ByarsVanderbilt University
    2007NBA22252Taurean GreenUniversity of Florida
    2007NBA22353Demetris NicholsSyracuse University
    2006NBA144Tyrus ThomasLouisiana State University
    2006NBA13030Joel Freeland
    2006NBA2131James WhiteUniversity of Cincinnati
    2005NBA166Martell Webster
    2005NBA12727Linas KleizaUniversity of Missouri
    2005NBA2535Ricky Sanchez
    2004NBA11313Sebastian Telfair
    2004NBA12323Sergei Monia
    2004NBA21746Ha Seung-Jin
    2003NBA12323Travis Outlaw
    2003NBA22554Nedzad Sinanovic
    2002NBA12121Qyntel WoodsNortheast Mississippi Community College
    2002NBA21442Jason JenningsArkansas State University
    2002NBA22250Federico Kammerichs
    2001NBA11919Zach RandolphMichigan State University
    2001NBA22149Ruben Boumtje BoumtjeGeorgetown University
    2000NBA12828Erick BarkleySt. John's University
    1999NBA22352Roberto BergersenBoise State University
    1997NBA11818Chris Anstey
    1997NBA21947Alvin WilliamsVillanova University
    1996NBA11717Jermaine O'Neal
    1996NBA21746Marcus BrownMurray State University
    1995NBA188Shawn RespertMichigan State University
    1994NBA11717Aaron McKieTemple University
    1994NBA21643Shawnelle ScottSt. John's University
    1993NBA12121James RobinsonUniversity of Alabama
    1993NBA22148Kevin ThompsonNorth Carolina State University
    1992NBA12626Dave JohnsonSyracuse University
    1992NBA2431Reggie SmithTexas Christian University
    1991NBA22754Marcus KennedyEastern Michigan University
    1990NBA12525Alaa AbdelnabyDuke University
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    Piatkowski was picked for the Clippers. Who was then coupled with the '92 1st rounder Sealy & Pooh Richardson ( that cost the Pacers former 4th pick The Rifleman & starting PG Michael Williams) for the original Jacko.
    Williams is one of my all-time fave PGs and I hated him being moved FOR Pooh. However the deal for Jax was a homerum. Pooh was a disaster, Chuck was about to fall off the table, and while Sealy was decent he certainly wasn't a big difference maker. Jax was, he was a monster impact player.

    And by the time things got going for Jax here Michael was hitting the end of the road due to injury unfortunately. Plus it's not like the Pacers didn't get their value out of the Chuck draft pick. ROY, seat filler, star power to draw national attention, and then gone just when Reggie was taking over that role anyway (and doing it better).



    I'm sure no one believes it but I have friend backing on this so it's not just BS (the guy Gnome/Mal met last night in fact). I was livid when they passed on Steve Nash. That was the one guy I felt great about in that draft and really wanted them to get. I haven't made tons of great draft calls, but that was one of them.

    And in fairness CHARLOTTE traded Kobe (along with all those teams passing on him) and Phoenix traded Nash and then Dallas let him walk as a FA. So even the teams that drafted those players didn't appreciate their full value at the time.

    Not only that, but Portland also undervalued JO and Indiana ended up getting the best of his years anyway. So really Sacto was one of the few teams that drafted smart, that got their target AND kept him long enough to enjoy his full potential.

    Hell, Dampier got Indy Mullin just in time to make a serious run at the title and he had quite an impact in those few seasons.



    82games.com has someplace (don't have the URL myself) an article that detailed the chance of success for a draft pick by PLAYING position and draft position. Effectively it said what has already been said here, bigs are more likely to bust and once you get outside of the top 10 you have a pretty poor chance at an impact player. This is one reason I'm anti-tank, at least as some "solution".

    Now when you just have nothing going for you then I do think you take what you can get, and that includes a better draft pick. My problem is people that think you can RELY on the draft to fix your team. You can't. It's nuts.

    As for the bigs being mentioned I think Indy getting Hibbert or Thabeet around 12-14 would be a fair pick. Both MIGHT have decent impacts but both clearly have big holes in their game too that might hold them back. No one will be shocked if Rose, Gordon, and Mayo all end up better than those guys, but then they should also be picked higher than them anyway. I'm not as sold that Collison or Augustin are some sure shots in the mid-teens.
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