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Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

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  • #16
    Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

    Speed-

    Who knows if Bird will even be around another 3 yrs ? TBTP just
    seems to be flying by the seat of it's/their/his pants right now.
    If there's a plan of any kind aimed at getting back to legit
    contending status anytime in the next few years, it's being
    hidden awfully well.

    Frankly, for all the good Donnie did in the past, I wish he'd go
    ahead and hang up his spurs so Bird can sink or swim. I don't
    really care which it is. But one way or the other, we need a
    professional GM with a vision running things asap.

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    • #17
      Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

      Originally posted by Rajah Brown View Post
      Speed-

      Who knows if Bird will even be around another 3 yrs ? TBTP just
      seems to be flying by the seat of it's/their/his pants right now.
      If there's a plan of any kind aimed at getting back to legit
      contending status anytime in the next few years, it's being
      hidden awfully well.

      Frankly, for all the good Donnie did in the past, I wish he'd go
      ahead and hang up his spurs so Bird can sink or swim. I don't
      really care which it is. But one way or the other, we need a
      professional GM with a vision running things asap.

      I agree. I think in the fans minds that time is now for Bird. Its been unequivocally said he has the reigns as of the beginning of this year. Now they may go back and have Donnie take a bullet for Bird, so to speak, but I don't think there is one person who would buy it. I look at Toronto and what they've done in a short time with Colangelo, amazing. Other than New York, there isn't one team I wouldn't want to change positions with.

      I don't see any plan at all. It's almost an addiction to mediocrity. Your just hoping they hit bottom, so they are forced to deal with the issues.

      Everyone is in a pretty rough spot until then, imo.

      Simons are in a rough spot, they feel like Bird is a legend, which as a player he is. They feel like they owe Walsh for all he's done for the team.

      Walsh is in a rough spot because he has to feel his legacy is horribly tarnished.

      Bird is in a rough spot, big payroll, losing team, hardly any valueable pieces to move to improve or to rebuild.

      Obie is in a rough spot, trying to win with mismatched pieces.

      JO is in a rough spot, wants to be healthy, feels like he owes the franchise who uncovered him, but wants to be with a team that has a chance at the end of his career.

      Tinsley is in a rough spot, TPTB want him to be more than he is and he wants to be appreciated for what he is (and doesn't see anything wrong with that)

      Harrison is in a rough spot because it isn't fair he can't smoke dope and be a starting center without having all of these unfair fouls called on him AND be allowed to do the cool water purifier commercials on the side....

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      • #18
        Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

        For everyone saying to trade JO for a Happy Meal, remember the phrase:

        "Buy low, sell high."

        JO's trade value will probably never be lower than it is right now, so why not wait things out and see if he can return and improve first?

        Of course, if a good deal is on the table, you have to consider taking it. But there's no point at all in trading JO for trash.

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        • #19
          Re: Trade deadline countdown

          Originally posted by Lord Helmet View Post
          I expect nothing from this franchise anymore.

          I think we'll stand pat.
          Larry Bird said he does want to do something. I doubt we'll stand pat!!! I think the guy we really have to trade is Jamaal.
          R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

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          • #20
            Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

            Originally posted by aceace View Post
            We have talent but not chemistry. If JO is healthy at the deadline you have to take what you can get. He could help a team get over a hump, provided he stays healthy. We need one expiring contract + ?. Look at what Portland has done with all their young guys.
            Look at what Minny got for Garnett.

            We need JO to be healthy in order to trade him for anything more than a Kwame and a can of beans.

            I don't think JO is the problem and if healthy has the ability to be a feature of this team.

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            • #21
              Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

              Originally posted by iPACER View Post
              Look at what Minny got for Garnett.

              We need JO to be healthy in order to trade him for anything more than a Kwame and a can of beans.

              I don't think JO is the problem and if healthy has the ability to be a feature of this team.
              Well we could use Kwame's expiring contract, especially after reading the piece on the Pacers losing 13 million over the past few years. Plus we could feed the can of beans to Diener and maybe he'd be able to bench the bar? eh?

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              • #22
                Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                Fellow Digest members,

                This thread was deleted for good reason, and it's a problem we've been having from many people and it's past due that I do a better job of bringing attention to it.

                Whenever you post an article from somewhere on the web, we need to see NOT JUST A LINK, but ALSO A REFERAL. This means WHO WROTE IT and WHAT WEBSITE THE ARTICLE IS POSTED ON. I've made RED EDITS to the first post of the thread to highlight what is needed EVERY time. If those THREE THINGS are listed, we're good.

                But if not, threads will be removed. It's a LIABILITY ISSUE for the site that we MUST be strict about to cover our collective butts. Thank you very much!

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                • #23
                  Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                  Originally posted by Mal View Post
                  Fellow Digest members,

                  This thread was deleted for good reason, and it's a problem we've been having from many people and it's past due that I do a better job of bringing attention to it.

                  Whenever you post an article from somewhere on the web, we need to see NOT JUST A LINK, but ALSO A REFERAL. This means WHO WROTE IT and WHAT WEBSITE THE ARTICLE IS POSTED ON. I've made RED EDITS to the first post of the thread to highlight what is needed EVERY time. If those THREE THINGS are listed, we're good.

                  But if not, threads will be removed. It's a LIABILITY ISSUE for the site that we MUST be strict about to cover our collective butts. Thank you very much!
                  Sorry Mal. I thought all I needed was the link. It was not my intent to give the website a bad name. We Pacer fans appreciate having a forum like this to express our thoughts and ideas.

                  There have been some very knowledgable posts in this thread that I hope can stay on here.

                  Thanks for fixing it.

                  BB33

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                  • #24
                    Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                    Originally posted by BoomBaby33 View Post
                    Sorry Mal. I thought all I needed was the link. It was not my intent to give the website a bad name. We Pacer fans appreciate having a forum like this to express our thoughts and ideas.

                    There have been some very knowledgable posts in this thread that I hope can stay on here.

                    Thanks for fixing it.

                    BB33
                    BB33,

                    Thank you for being so considerate. I'm glad to fix it. It's far, far from being a problem of you or a few individuals. I don't think 99% of our members know this is a rule we have, and so now I'm turning the corner in making it very clear. I certainly don't blame you as I would not blame any one poster for this. It's a forum-wide issue and it just so happened that your post was the one where things moved forward in making the policy clear to everyone.

                    As for the thread and its posts, obviously it's un-deleted now and there are no plans to delete it again unless new information is brought to my attention that would warrant it.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                      Originally posted by Shade View Post
                      For everyone saying to trade JO for a Happy Meal, remember the phrase:

                      "Buy low, sell high."

                      JO's trade value will probably never be HIGHER than it is right now

                      Of course, if a good deal is on the table, you have to consider taking it. But there's no point at all in trading JO for trash.
                      Fixed, IMO! His value will sink even farther. At least right now, the hope is for another desperate team that thinks when he gets healthy he could potentially be dominate again, at least for the short term. 2 games before his knee went bad again, he had a 27 point, something like 6 rebounds. Thats pretty good stats, but we lost the game though.

                      Its OK to trade for "trash" if we are rebuilding, as long as the "trash" is expiring contracts and picks. No more 3-4 year bad contracts like Murphy's.

                      IMO, JO just needs to go. His time is up here, as is Tins IMO.

                      OTOT, dcpacerfan, probably has it right here in reality with the new coach and sticking it out with what we have till the end of this year.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                        Originally posted by BoomBaby33 View Post
                        the hope is for another desperate team that thinks when he gets healthy he could potentially be dominate again
                        That team is us!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Trade deadline countdown

                          Originally posted by BoomBaby33 View Post
                          I was googling the trade deadline, and this was one of the articles. It looked like it could spark some conversation on here. I agree though, the guy who wrote it did not put much thought into it, just some quick speculation i suppose.

                          If any of his "insight" has any truth to it, then I wouldn't mind us try to do something with Dallas for Terry, or Seattle for Ridnour, or even Philly for Andre Miller and maybe Dalembert. Maybe even still the lakers if we could get future picks, and Farmar or JCrit. Probably have to take Mihm or Vlad back too.

                          AK47 for JO maybe?

                          Just take short contracts back if we are rebuilding.
                          JOB + Dalembert = Artest caliber meltdown. They don't get along, to put it mildly.

                          Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                          That team is only us!
                          Fixed....sadly.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                            Originally posted by BoomBaby33 View Post
                            Its OK to trade for "trash" if we are rebuilding, as long as the "trash" is expiring contracts and picks. No more 3-4 year bad contracts like Murphy's.

                            IMO, JO just needs to go. His time is up here, as is Tins IMO.
                            Picks are not considered "trash".....no GM is going to give up any picks for JONeal. If you expect a "Iverson to Denver"-like trade for JONeal....then you're gonna be severely disappointed.

                            As one Laker fan had ( annoyingly but prophetically ) pointed out here ( when the JONeal to Lakers rumors popped up ) on PD......we are likely to get see a "Chris Webber to Philly"-type trade. We're not going to get any picks, we may get one Expiring Contract but more then likely some longer 2-3 contracts. I would like to believe that Bird is capable of pulling off a deal that nets us a Draft pick and Expiring contracts.....but I simply have very little faith in his abilities.

                            As Seth has continually pointed out on that "high horse" of his ( j/k Seth , I actually agree with most of what you have continually posted here about this team ); because of the bad moves/trades that we have made, the huge contracts that we have doled out.....we simply aren't in a position to make the needed changes ( without mortgaging our future ) until Murphy, Tinsley and JONeal come off the books. Unfortunately, I simply don't believe that we will make any moves before the trade deadline.

                            I have no problem trading JONeal....in fact....I am all for it. Unfortunately, I'm realistic enough to understand that we're not going to get outstanding players nor draft picks out of a trade for JONeal. However, this doesn't mean that we can't get any players that won't help us for the next 2 years. If we trade JONeal, as long as we get healthy / durable players that expires AFTER the 2008/2009 season that maybe average but at least can help us and makes sense for what we are trying to do here....then I am okay with that.

                            In the end....it's all a matter of keeping this garbage barge afloat for the next 1 1/2 seasons. Until then....I'm not going to get my expectations up.
                            Last edited by CableKC; 01-27-2008, 01:07 AM.
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                              Am I the only one who thinks Foster is the only viable trade bait right now? His "game" would mean a ton to a team on the verge of contention. I love Foster and what he has done for this franchise but I think he's gone. Too bad , we are running out of "popular players and good citizens".
                              The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                                Memphis- Retarded team wont ever deal Pau and wont make the playoffs (wanted Bosh, Bargnani, and first-round pick last year for Gasol)

                                R U Kidding Me? LOL


                                Damon Stoudamire is available, think we can find a way to get him
                                R.I.P. Bernic Mac & Isaac Hayes

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