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Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

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  • Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

    OK, I figured I would start this thread becasue there is going to be a lot of talk about what we need to do, or even if we need to do anything at all.

    We are stuck in neutral, and there's no getting out. The only way yo get this bus (or tank maybe) to moving.

    I found this article and thought it could start some interesting discussion between now and February 22nd. There are some interesting names on there, but I dont think LB will pull the trigger this year. We've had 2 consecutive years with big trades in the middle of the season that disrupted the chemistry for better or worse.

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    LINK: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6..._Sense_-160108

    REFERAL:
    Alexander Farahmandpour
    Bleacher Report.com
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    NBA Trade Deadline: What Deals Make Sense?

    The trade deadline is approaching and yet again big names are being thrown out. I've even heard Amare's name. Lets' start with the east,

    Atlanta- Need more experince and help for Joe, dont be surprised if Smith is dealt
    Boston- Need a experinced pg and some help from the bench
    Charlotte- Need some more help for the amazing duo of Richardson and Okafor
    Chicago- Disaster
    Cleveland- Theres Lebron, then the rest of the mediocre team
    Detriot- They dont need anyone
    Indiana - Time to Package Jermaine and get what you can
    Memphis- Retarded team wont ever deal Pau and wont make the playoffs (wanted Bosh, Bargnani, and first-round pick last year for Gasol)
    Miami- I guess storms and hurricanes do hit the hottest places in the States look for them to deal Williams
    Milwaukee- Everyone except Bogut and Yi can and most likely will be dealt
    New Jersey- their owner thinks the big 3 can win it all. In what world does he think they can? Maybe in Nba live 2008
    New York- " No Comment"
    Orlando- Dont need anyone
    Phillidelphia- Iguodala isnt happy, they want to move Miller, this teams in trouble,
    Raptors- Look for some big trades to happen because BC isnt scared to do it
    Washington- wow they are actaully doing good with out Arenas, i say deal him for someone anyone get the most you can out of him cause once Free agency starts you can say "bye bye"


    West
    Dallas- they need someone to take them to the next level, and no giving Stackhouse 3 years 21 million isnt the player im talking about. They should make a package of Terry and Diop and offer it to see what they get
    Denver- A reliable back up center no more NENE
    Golden State- need a allstar center
    LA Clippers- Time to rebuild trade Brand and if you can Cassel,
    La Lakers- They need a good PF-C...cause Bynum and Fisher are getting it done at the pg-c positions
    Minnesota- Rebuilding phase, yet some of their youth could be trade bait
    New Orleans- Peja and Mo pete combined 18 million a year, and almost do the same thing SHOOT, one needs to go
    Phoenix - no one
    Portland- one scary team, and lets see what happens when Oden comes
    Sacramento- OK so you got Martin good, now deal Bibby and Artest and rebuild this team or go on a run
    San Antonio- Cheerleaders?
    Seattle- Rebulding, could get alot for Luke Ridnour
    Utah- at the rate they are going half the team might get dealt, its a " dont like the coach your gone approach"

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    Re: Trade deadline countdown

    I think if we do a deadline trade with JO it will have to include one of our young guys. I wouldn't mind a JO and Ike to a team that will give us a descent PG and a expiring contract or two?

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      Re: Trade deadline countdown

      Not sure where you got that article but it's one of the least insightful, rational and/or accurate things I've read in some time.

      As for the deadline and the Pacers are concerned, however, yeah...we better make at least some sort of a move.
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      • #4
        Re: Trade deadline countdown

        I expect nothing from this franchise anymore.

        I think we'll stand pat.
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        • #5
          Re: Trade deadline countdown

          Hopefully J.O. is healthy enough by the deadline to be tradeable.

          What are some teams that could be interested? I've got Cleveland, Dallas, Houston, Lakers, New Jersey, New York, and Phoenix.

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          • #6
            Re: Trade deadline countdown

            I predict that JONeal will play on Feb 1st. This is a full 2 weeks AFTER the last game that he played and that the main reason why he is playing is to showcase that he is still capable of playing at a high level. He will have a full 2 weeks to show GMs before that trade deadline that he is still healthy.
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            • #7
              Re: Trade deadline countdown

              Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
              Not sure where you got that article but it's one of the least insightful, rational and/or accurate things I've read in some time.

              As for the deadline and the Pacers are concerned, however, yeah...we better make at least some sort of a move.

              I was googling the trade deadline, and this was one of the articles. It looked like it could spark some conversation on here. I agree though, the guy who wrote it did not put much thought into it, just some quick speculation i suppose.

              If any of his "insight" has any truth to it, then I wouldn't mind us try to do something with Dallas for Terry, or Seattle for Ridnour, or even Philly for Andre Miller and maybe Dalembert. Maybe even still the lakers if we could get future picks, and Farmar or JCrit. Probably have to take Mihm or Vlad back too.

              AK47 for JO maybe?

              Just take short contracts back if we are rebuilding.

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              • #8
                Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                Andre would probably be a great 4 in our small-ball lineup. Of course, that would mean Mike or Danny coming off the bench. I don't think Utah would want JO anyway.

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                • #9
                  Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                  We'll stand pat.

                  Larry will probably heat up warm glasses of milk for Murphleavy and they'll all go to bed at 8pm when other teams are wheeling and dealing.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                    I think we need to package JO with people we want out of Indy. Put him with Murph for shorter contracts and draft picks.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                      No offense Bridge but can you name one team that will give us draft picks & ending contracts for 2 over paid under productive players on the down side of their careers?

                      I'm not saying we might not find a team to take one of these guys but not both, not with the money they make. Not that I'm real picky what we get back but it would be 3rd rate talent.

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                        Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                        Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                        No offense Bridge but can you name one team that will give us draft picks & ending contracts for 2 over paid under productive players on the down side of their careers?

                        I'm not saying we might not find a team to take one of these guys but not both, not with the money they make. Not that I'm real picky what we get back but it would be 3rd rate talent.

                        I'm starting to think this "talent" business is way too overated, and perhaps
                        it's time to not so much worry about if whomever we get in return in a trade
                        is of equal talent, but if he is durable and won't be seeing alot of down
                        time.

                        The Pacers medical staff needs to be much more involved and proactive
                        when evaluting these players before bringing them in. Make an in-depth
                        study of NBA "iron men" past and present who have had long and relatively
                        injury free careers. Before bringing in a prospect, look closely for these
                        characteristics in the player. Look closely at his build, his body style, his
                        bone structure. Look even closer at his knees, ankles, and other joints,
                        and the health of his cartilage tissue.

                        Moving forward we need to build a team with players who naturally have
                        a higher resistance to injury rather than just looking at raw talent and
                        potential. Overly rating talent before durability has cost the team millions
                        of $$$ in recent history, as well as cost us alot of games with "star potential"
                        players either playing injured or riding the pine.

                        So basically even if we get a player back in a trade who is a "3rd rate talent",
                        it might actually be a good thing if he is durable and can stay out on the floor
                        to give us some athleticism without having to be continually concerned about
                        his getting injured. I would be fine with us sacrificing talent for durability, at
                        least at this point.
                        Last edited by RamBo_Lamar; 01-26-2008, 11:44 AM. Reason: clarification

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                          Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                          We have talent but not chemistry. If JO is healthy at the deadline you have to take what you can get. He could help a team get over a hump, provided he stays healthy. We need one expiring contract + ?. Look at what Portland has done with all their young guys.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                            I know its boring, but I think nothing happens at the deadline, but I think at the draft you'll see wholesale changes. This is a time that stuff actually happens in a big way, teams looking to unload vets, overvaluing picks. You can really remake a teams direction then or start to.

                            Lets face it, we are more than a move or 3 away from any direction they choose to rebuild or make a run.

                            I'd rather have 2 good moves at the draft than one forced desperate move at the deadline.

                            Birds pretty much handcuffed in adding any payroll to try to get better now and he doesn't have players that people are high enough on to move for a high draft pick. It'll just be interesting, but I'm not optimistic unless they fall into another Paul Pierce draft scenario. Otherwise, Bird is stuck in a 3 year cycle of whatever he does, imho.

                            Lastly, I think if you can somehow unload bad contracts anytime, thats a good thing. If you can find a team who feels they need shooting, an unloading of Murphy could work. There are lots of things. The toughest part is almost all of the stupid GMs are gone and all that is left are guys who have to be fiscally responsible. You have to make room to at least be make a competitive offer for Rush if he's your 2 guard. Obie is trying to win and I appreciate that, but he's really screwing Bird on how he can manage personnel.

                            Or obviously Ike could have value, but Obie won't play him to embellish that, at all. Obie's line up changes are mind boggling. It's like his days in Phillie all over again, he won't play young guys, anyway thats for another day. Where's Isiah when you need him to be on the bad side of a good deal.
                            Last edited by Speed; 01-26-2008, 10:06 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Trade deadline countdown - Feb. 22 '08

                              I wouldn't get your hopes up. We still haven't made the trade to shore up our backcourt that we were expecting a year ago.
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