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  • #61
    Re: To all IU fans...

    [quote=Since86;651700]Well sorry but I don't feel slighted.

    You don't understand because you don't agree with what your answer will be. You have been put on record that no matter how stupid or retarded a rule is, it must be followed because it is a rule.

    When asked if you follow simple rules, like speeding limits, you fail to understand the logic of the argument.

    Simply put: You're choosing which rules people should follow and judge them on it, while choosing which rules you choose to follow and plead the 5th when called on it.

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    Back up Jr., if you are going to throw out names be prepared to back them up with facts. First of all, where did I state that it is ok to speed, even with your ignorant example of going 1 MPH over the limit? Save yourself some time, I didn't. I have been driving for 50 plus years without any tickets, so if that is being a f&**&ng hypocrite than I guess I am.

    If all the other coaches are violating the rule that Sampson broke twice, why haven't they been caught? Do you really believe that the NCAA is turning their head on these coaches and just picking on Sampson?

    And yes, calling someone a hyocrite without facts, illustrates your lack of objectivity and a lack of a moral compass.

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    • #62
      Re: To all IU fans...

      I think they figured out about Sampson's phone calls as he was leaving his last job. After that, sure they were watching for it....

      Just because you haven't been ticketed doesn't mean you haven't been blatantly breaking the rules for 50 plus years. I'm not saying you have, but lack of getting caught proves nothing. Kinda like all the other coaches who find ways around the stupid rules to give themselves a competitive advantage......

      I'm not calling you a hypocrite (I know your post wasn't directed at me since you quoted S86), but I still believe that if you are choosing what rules to follow and what ones to break, and then calling someone else out for doing the same thing.....it doesn't really seem like a good thing to do.

      In other news, maybe we can make all this a moot point!

      Myles Brand is gone, and Bob Knight seems to be available......IU could drop the rule breaking scofflaw and bring back the savior/biggest pr!ck on the planet....



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      • #63
        Re: To all IU fans...

        Originally posted by Elgin56 View Post
        Sorry, I just don't understand your logic that breaking a rule because you think it is stupid, is ok.



        Ghandi disagrees...
        "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

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        • #64
          Re: To all IU fans...

          Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force
          Ghandi disagrees...


          For some reason, I'm not sure this is what he had in mind.

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          • #65
            Re: To all IU fans...

            Originally posted by heywoode View Post
            I think they figured out about Sampson's phone calls as he was leaving his last job. After that, sure they were watching for it....

            Just because you haven't been ticketed doesn't mean you haven't been blatantly breaking the rules for 50 plus years. I'm not saying you have, but lack of getting caught proves nothing. Kinda like all the other coaches who find ways around the stupid rules to give themselves a competitive advantage......

            I'm not calling you a hypocrite (I know your post wasn't directed at me since you quoted S86), but I still believe that if you are choosing what rules to follow and what ones to break, and then calling someone else out for doing the same thing.....it doesn't really seem like a good thing to do.

            In other news, maybe we can make all this a moot point!



            Myles Brand is gone, and Bob Knight seems to be available......IU could drop the rule breaking scofflaw and bring back the savior/biggest pr!ck on the planet....

            Again, where did I state the I choose which rules to follow and which ones to break? I think that another poster insinuated that is what I do. I advocate following all laws and rules, regardless if I believe that they are stupid laws or rules.

            doesn't mean you haven't been blatantly breaking the rules for 50 plus years.

            Oh come on! That makes no sense at all. The law of averages would see to it that if one was blatantly breaking speed limits, a long list of tickets.

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            • #66
              Re: To all IU fans...

              Then answer the question.

              Do you speed?

              A long list of tickets? Please.

              I'm never at or under the speed limit and I have one to my name, which I just recently got and it was because it was in a DUI watch zone. 90% of drivers on the road are above the speed limit if they're not accelerating from a recent stop.
              Last edited by Since86; 02-05-2008, 12:36 PM.
              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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              • #67
                Re: To all IU fans...

                This is just getting silly.

                I know what the truth is. I think we ALL do.

                Arguments can be made for or against, but the truth is the truth.

                Believe it or not, I don't care.



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                • #68
                  Re: To all IU fans...

                  Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                  Exactly.

                  I wonder Elgin. Do you drive 56 when the speed LIMIT is posted at 55? If you do, then you are guilty of breaking a law. What kind of example are you setting to your grandkids by breaking the law and putting everyone else in danger?

                  I know I'm late to this, but that is a ridiculous example.

                  Who are you putting at risk when you go 1 MPH over the speed limit, or even 5 MPH over? Don't tell me wrecks are caused by someone going a MPH over the speed limit because they aren't. I don't think drivers going 5 or even 10 MPH over the speed limit is the cause of most wrecks either (because everyone does it).

                  The only thing you are risking going a MPH or 5 MPH is getting a ticket. And we all know that cops usually don't ticket for 5 MPH over. You aren't really putting anyone else in danger when you do that and to argue that you are is silly.

                  On the other hand, breaking rules like Sampson did at Oklahoma and then breaking the same rules again at Indiana not only puts Sampson at risk, it puts the entire program at risk as well as the school and players. A little different effect than going 56 in a 55. It's not the actual rule itself that ticks people off (most agree it might be petty), it's the fact that he broke it twice and KNEW he couldn't do it...showing a blatant disregard for the rules. Just like it's not the actual sexual act with Lewinsky that got Clinton in trouble, it's the fact that that he lied and covered it up.

                  I think an example that would be better than the brilliant "56 in a 55" would be to use an example of how a normal worker would be treated by their employer if they broke a rule.

                  Say you work at an investment bank and you when you are boss says you aren't allowed to go gloat about deals at bars or whatever to your buddies. They have a policy in place that what goes on at the firm doesn't leave the firm. Is it a petty rule? Perhaps. Do people that work at other banks gloat? Definitely. But say you do it and get caught. Are you fired? Pretty damn likely. Are you fired just because you broke the rule? No. You're fired because you knew that you couldn't break the rule but did it anyway.

                  No one forced you to work at the bank. It was your decision to work there. But it's their firm and they can have whatever rules they want. Work somewhere else if you don't like it. Same with Sampson. Maybe it's a petty rule, but no one is forcing him to work int he NCAA.

                  That a much more applicable example to this situation than the silly "56 in a 55" example that you brought forth.

                  And I'm a soph at IU and a diehard fan with season tix.
                  Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-13-2008, 03:31 PM.

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                  • #69
                    Re: To all IU fans...

                    Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
                    I know I'm late to this, but that is a ridiculous example.

                    Who are you putting at risk when you go 1 MPH over the speed limit, or even 5 MPH over? Don't tell me wrecks are caused by someone going a MPH over the speed limit because they aren't. I don't think drivers going 5 or even 10 MPH over the speed limit is the cause of most wrecks either (because everyone does it).

                    The only thing you are risking going a MPH or 5 MPH is getting a ticket. And we all know that cops usually don't ticket for 5 MPH over. You aren't really putting anyone else in danger when you do that and to argue that you are is silly.
                    You missed the point entirely.

                    I never made the comment that going 1 MPH over the speed limit put people at risk, nor 5 MPH, nor 10 MHP over.

                    Your second paragraph gets to what I was talking about. Why would you get a ticket? Because speeding is against the law. By speeding, you are breaking a rule.

                    He said that EVERY rule should be followed, no matter the rule, so I asked him if he ever speeds because then he would be knowingly breaking a rule.

                    It's not a silly argument. Petty? Yes.

                    EDIT:
                    Originally posted by Elgin56
                    Rationalize all that you want to, I ain't buying that BS on that every coach is cheating, yes I said CHEATING. Gee, I think that I will tell my grandkids that they can cheat on their tests because I think every other kid is also cheating. Come on give me a break. If that many other coaches were doing what Sampson did, they would be caught and punished as he was.

                    Retarded rules or not, they are the freaking rules for all of the coaches. We as individuals just can't pick and choose which rules we will abide by or which ones we will violate, and neither can coaches.
                    Last edited by Since86; 02-13-2008, 03:56 PM.
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                    • #70
                      Re: To all IU fans...

                      Sampson is about to leave the scene of an accident after going 120 mph with BAC of .23.

                      Everyone wave bye!

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                      • #71
                        Re: To all IU fans...

                        O.K. I'll put my in.

                        I admit it I speed. If you've driven in NJ or Detroit it's either speed or get run over. However, if I'd gotten a ticket and I knew the next one was going to cost me my $500,000 bonus you can bet your hind end my cruise control would be set at least 1 mile UNDER the limit.

                        And as for car accidents I wasn't even up to speed yet when I got t-bone by some bone head who ran a stop sign. Not sure how that correlates to NCAA infractions.

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                        • #72
                          Re: To all IU fans...

                          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                          You missed the point entirely.

                          I never made the comment that going 1 MPH over the speed limit put people at risk, nor 5 MPH, nor 10 MHP over.

                          Your second paragraph gets to what I was talking about. Why would you get a ticket? Because speeding is against the law. By speeding, you are breaking a rule.

                          He said that EVERY rule should be followed, no matter the rule, so I asked him if he ever speeds because then he would be knowingly breaking a rule.

                          It's not a silly argument. Petty? Yes.

                          EDIT:
                          Welllllll, how about admitting that I was right about Sampson? It will only hurt for a little while.

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                          • #73
                            Re: To all IU fans...

                            I'm not saying I like what he is doing to IU's reputation, but then again, IU has been upfront and forthcoming with everything, and even the NCAA is saying that IU is pretty much a victim here. So far, IU has been harder on themselves than the NCAA has been on them. He lied to the NCAA as much as he lied to IU. That will probably be his undoing.

                            Since86 is still right, rules get broken all the time, and there are no white knights. He is also right about the analogy. You come off as pretty self-righteous and preachy.

                            That's fine. You don't like the guy, and your reasons aren't totally bad or wrong ones. I'll admit I'm fine with IU firing Sampson and I'm fine with admitting the guy is a chronic rule breaker. I wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but not sure he deserves it anymore.

                            How about you admitting that your statement about the absoluteness of following rules was a little over the top?



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                            • #74
                              Re: To all IU fans...

                              Originally posted by grace View Post
                              O.K. I'll put my in.

                              I admit it I speed. If you've driven in NJ or Detroit it's either speed or get run over. However, if I'd gotten a ticket and I knew the next one was going to cost me my $500,000 bonus you can bet your hind end my cruise control would be set at least 1 mile UNDER the limit.

                              And as for car accidents I wasn't even up to speed yet when I got t-bone by some bone head who ran a stop sign. Not sure how that correlates to NCAA infractions.
                              I've gotten speeding tickets three times and deferred them on each occasion, which means you pay the fine but if you do not get another ticket for one year then it never goes on your driving record i.e. no points lost. It's like it did not happen except your wallet gets lighter. So in essence, I've been on "probation" three times and I was certainly very careful about my driving habits at those times. Unlike Kelvin, I at least waited until I was off probation to blatantly break the rules again.

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                              • #75
                                Re: To all IU fans...

                                Originally posted by heywoode View Post
                                I'm not saying I like what he is doing to IU's reputation, but then again, IU has been upfront and forthcoming with everything, and even the NCAA is saying that IU is pretty much a victim here. So far, IU has been harder on themselves than the NCAA has been on them. He lied to the NCAA as much as he lied to IU. That will probably be his undoing.

                                Since86 is still right, rules get broken all the time, and there are no white knights. He is also right about the analogy. You come off as pretty self-righteous and preachy.

                                That's fine. You don't like the guy, and your reasons aren't totally bad or wrong ones. I'll admit I'm fine with IU firing Sampson and I'm fine with admitting the guy is a chronic rule breaker. I wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but not sure he deserves it anymore.

                                How about you admitting that your statement about the absoluteness of following rules was a little over the top?

                                Preachy? Funny, that's what my wife says about me sometimes.

                                Don't you know that I am never wrong?

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