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  • #16
    Re: Midseason MVP

    Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
    Kareem Rush.
    I am absolutely thrilled with him in the starting lineup! When the 3-pointers fly from him, there's a bit of expectation that it's going in! I hope we don't lose him in the offseason.

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    • #17
      Re: Midseason MVP

      It has to be Mike.

      Mike has been the most consistant all year.

      Jamaal probably was but has fallen off as of late. Same ol same ol I guess.

      Danny has sort of come and gone. Some games, great, other games no so great. He just has been a little bit inconsistant IMO.

      Kareem has came on strong as of late. Hasn't done it the whole year though like Mike. I do hope Kareem can keep up his strong play. It's great to see.

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      • #18
        Re: Midseason MVP

        Originally posted by The Hustler View Post
        I think his good play has resulted in more victories than any other player, by a long way.
        And his bad play has resulted in more losses than any other player, by a long way as well.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #19
          Re: Midseason MVP

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          Sorry to disagree with everybody but the sadest part of this season is that the MVP is Jamaal Tinsley.

          That is not a good thing btw, but when Jamaal has been on and playing the right way early on we were a much better team. Once we over used him, he got injured and couldn't play you saw what our team looked like without him. Now since he's come back he has been in a funk for whatever reason and we are not the same.

          Mike has good games and some avg. games and we can win or lose. But Jamaal has a bad game and we have almost no chance.

          I understand your point and I have said that by far our most important player is Jamaal. But I cannot vote for him as the MVP because of what he pulled here the past week or so, and also for his at times utter lack of defensive effort.

          So JT is our most important, but the most valuable player is Mike - he has played every game - his effort level doesn't change, his understanding of the defensive and offensive system is the best on the team - No, Dunleavy has been our MVP. The team is better when he's on the floor, whether he's scoring or not
          Last edited by Unclebuck; 01-22-2008, 11:05 AM.

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          • #20
            Re: Midseason MVP

            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
            And his bad play has resulted in more losses than any other player, by a long way as well.
            Possibly true, but i think if we had played this whole season without Jamaal we would have a lot less victories than we do now, more so than any other player on this team, so, unfortunatly, i see him as being our most valuable player.
            'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'
            Animal Farm, by George Orwell

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            • #21
              Re: Midseason MVP

              Tinsley or Granger...without one of them we are sitting at 4 wins. We got this though! playoff push here we come!
              "GIMMIE DAT!"-DANGER

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              • #22
                Re: Midseason MVP

                I would say Kareem Rush is our most improved player at this point.

                This guy was so incredibly awful at the beginning of the season, it was painful to watch and he didn't even look like a D-League caliber player out there some nights.

                He's turned into a very solid player. I think the first night of his great play was December 12th, when he scored 22 in that win over the Bulls. Since then he's been pretty consistent about scoring in double figures.

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                • #23
                  Re: Midseason MVP

                  I'd give it to Dunleavy. Tinsley is definitely the close runner up, but Tinsley's strongest number is his 8.7 assists per game. Somebody has to finish those. Shooting 45% from the floor and 41% from three, grabbing 6 boards per game, 3 assists, and a steal per game, while shooting 84% from the line I'd say Dunleavy is the man.

                  Danny isn't very far behind, and if Rush remains a starter for the rest of the season and plays like he's been, he'll easily be the full season MVP. Let's not forget about Jeff Foster though. All those extra possessions have to be worth some honorable mention.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Midseason MVP

                    Originally posted by The Hustler View Post
                    Possibly true, but i think if we had played this whole season without Jamaal we would have a lot less victories than we do now, more so than any other player on this team, so, unfortunatly, i see him as being our most valuable player.
                    How can the term 'valuable' mean good half the time, bad the other half? Sorry, but when I think of something valuable I want to hold on to it, or sell it because I can get a lot of worth out of it.

                    Tinsley is neither. I don't want to hold on to him because in the famous words of Forrest Gump, "you never know what you're gonna get," and teams would laugh while hanging up the phone if we tried to get a trade that would actually bring in value for him.

                    Like UB said, is he the most important player? Yes, unfortunately he is. But is he valuable? Hardly.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Midseason MVP

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      How can the term 'valuable' mean good half the time, bad the other half? Sorry, but when I think of something valuable I want to hold on to it, or sell it because I can get a lot of worth out of it.

                      Tinsley is neither. I don't want to hold on to him because in the famous words of Forrest Gump, "you never know what you're gonna get," and teams would laugh while hanging up the phone if we tried to get a trade that would actually bring in value for him.

                      Like UB said, is he the most important player? Yes, unfortunately he is. But is he valuable? Hardly.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Midseason MVP

                        My MVP is a 2 headed monster!

                        Mike Dunleavey & Danny Granger.

                        It seems as they go, so do the Pacers. Adn with JO out of the lienup, they seem to thrive much more in Obie's open offense.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Midseason MVP

                          Here are my top 5: I just can't have onekind of like chips.

                          1. Mike Dunleavy- Mr. consistency, poise under pressure

                          2. Danny Granger- Ups and Downs, next year MVP

                          3. Kareem Rush- we thought we got a shooter, this kid does a lot more.

                          4. Travis Diener- nice change of pace PG, gets the offense moving.

                          5. Shawn Williams- getting better and better.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Midseason MVP

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            How can the term 'valuable' mean good half the time, bad the other half? Sorry, but when I think of something valuable I want to hold on to it, or sell it because I can get a lot of worth out of it.

                            Tinsley is neither. I don't want to hold on to him because in the famous words of Forrest Gump, "you never know what you're gonna get," and teams would laugh while hanging up the phone if we tried to get a trade that would actually bring in value for him.

                            Like UB said, is he the most important player? Yes, unfortunately he is. But is he valuable? Hardly.

                            Sorry to bump this back up but i feel i want to explain my position on this.

                            First of all i agree partly, i dont see Tinsley as consistant, and i agree he has little value overall.


                            But in terms of who as been most vaulable to the team this season, i think it is him. Not that long ago he was being praised as a new player, threads hailing him as a borderline All-Star and exclaiming his great clutch play. Now i dont know if you were one of those people and i doubt you were but that was for a good reason. He was playing well, and at times, he practically carried this team.

                            If we are talking about what is valuable for the team, in terms of this season so far, then surely wins are the true currency. If we lose, we lose, no matter if it was one players fault and if it was by 1 point or 20, it is a loss! Much the same as a win is a win. When we reflect back at the end of the season, we as keen fans will look at performance, but the bottom line, the line that the public looks at, the line that the media looks at, the line that defines the franchise is the Win - Loss total. And for me, i believe he has contributed more to a possitive total in that aspect than any other player.


                            If we are talking about TRADE value, then yes, you are totally right. If we talk about future value, i also agree. However as the player who has been most vaulable for this team so far this season, i look to who has given the team the most W's compared to L's.

                            Since86 -
                            I know that i am never going to persuade you that Tinsley was our MVP this season so far, and i dont expect to, but i do hope that you see where i am coming from. I would also be interested to see your alternative, not just that you dont think it's Tinsley!
                            'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'
                            Animal Farm, by George Orwell

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                            • #29
                              Re: Midseason MVP

                              Dunleavy closely followed by Granger then everyone else is out of site behind.

                              I'm not getting caught up in Kareem's recent play, because playing well 3wks out of a season doesn't erase 3mons of lackluster play. You just happen to remember the most recent first, and it clouds things.

                              I think MDJ is because he's the most consistant. Points and blocks are the only two categories that Granger beats him in and he only outscores him 0.2 pts/game and 1 block to MDJ's 0.3 blocks a game.

                              I think the Ps would be in VERY good position if they could get a #1 player, a post player, if they could hold on to both Granger and MDJ.

                              Or if they could get a reliable, read healthy, post player that would get JO's averages on less FGA who just shoots a better %, and get a reliable, read not a head case, PG.

                              Originally posted by The Hustler
                              If we are talking about TRADE value, then yes, you are totally right. If we talk about future value, i also agree. However as the player who has been most vaulable for this team so far this season, i look to who has given the team the most W's compared to L's.
                              I still think that Tinsley is directly responsbile for more losses than he's directly responsible for wins this season. There are very few games where he plays good and the team losses, but there have been quite a few games where he plays like he plays and they win inspite of him.

                              And I say that with a high level of confidence considering his **** poor defense night in and night out.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Midseason MVP

                                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                                Dunleavy closely followed by Granger then everyone else is out of site behind.

                                I'm not getting caught up in Kareem's recent play, because playing well 3wks out of a season doesn't erase 3mons of lackluster play. You just happen to remember the most recent first, and it clouds things.

                                I think MDJ is because he's the most consistant. Points and blocks are the only two categories that Granger beats him in and he only outscores him 0.2 pts/game and 1 block to MDJ's 0.3 blocks a game.

                                I think the Ps would be in VERY good position if they could get a #1 player, a post player, if they could hold on to both Granger and MDJ.

                                Or if they could get a reliable, read healthy, post player that would get JO's averages on less FGA who just shoots a better %, and get a reliable, read not a head case, PG.

                                I still think that Tinsley is directly responsbile for more losses than he's directly responsible for wins this season. There are very few games where he plays good and the team losses, but there have been quite a few games where he plays like he plays and they win inspite of him.

                                And I say that with a high level of confidence considering his **** poor defense night in and night out.

                                Fair points, i guess we disagree on Tinsley providing more wins, i see a fair percentage of the wins we have as wins we wouldn't have without Tinsley, especially earlier in the season. I honestly can't see us winning half those games we did back earlier in the season, the idea off Deiner/Owens/Marquis making up those 36 minutes at the point back then, i could have seen us only having 8 or 9 wins at this point. Not forgetting that diener couldn't shoot to save his life, Marquis was trying to learn the position and Owens with absolutely no NBA experience. The idea we could have even competed with teams is hard for me to imagine.

                                In terms as him costing us victories, yes there are a few situations, most of them recent, but 2 months ago, the games he cost us were very few and game he was winning for us were fairly regular.

                                You are very, very, correct when you say people remember the near past a lot more than the distant, i think people have forgot just how well Tinsley was playing at times this season! The fuss may have been over the top, but it was certainly not for no reason at all!


                                I appreciate you giving a responce as to who you feel is a better MVP and respect your answers, at least now i dont see your responses as just disputing other peoples views while providing none of your own! Dunleavy would certainly be second on my list, followed by Danny, and i agree, noone after that even comes close.


                                As always JMO
                                'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'
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