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    The Knicks need a point guard. A lot of teams do, but the Knicks really do—they're stuck with Stephon Marbury, and he should be a shooting guard. Jamal Crawford is a sixth-man shooter.

    As Houston's Rafer Alston, a shooting point guard from New York, noted last week: "They need a floor general. Right now they have score-first guards. Some nights in the Knicks' box score, the guards only have two, three assists." I'm not sure it would be a great idea as New Yorkers returning home often hasn't worked. But it appears the Pacers are done with Jamaal Tinsley and are about to make some moves.

    Travis Diener replaced Tinsley over the weekend, and while Tinsley had been having something of a revival season with Rick Carlisle gone, he probably cinched his exit last week.

    The Pacers were playing the Suns tough in Phoenix, taking them to overtime. But Tinsley missed eight shots in the fourth quarter and still took 10 of the team's 11 shots in overtime.

    A package including an activity player like Renaldo Balkman or Mardy Collins and an expiring contract ought to be enough for the Knicks to get him.


    New Nets executive Kiki Vandeweghe, a great shooter in his time, listed his top shooters for the Newark Star Ledger: "There's no question Jerry West belongs there. He had the picture-perfect jump shot. You have to put Mark Price in there. He was textbook. Reggie Miller was one of the best, but he had his elbow out a little bit. Larry Bird had it behind his head a little bit. I would also put Dale Ellis in there: He was the best 'simple' shooter there ever was—just put it on his shoulder and shot-put it up. Jerry Lucas was like that—on the shoulder, bang."

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    The Knicks' knack

    They'd prefer to Fire Isiah in New York, so I'll have to work on rebuilding the team.

    The Knicks need a point guard. A lot of teams do, but the Knicks really do—they're stuck with Stephon Marbury, and he should be a shooting guard. Jamal Crawford is a sixth-man shooter.

    As Houston's Rafer Alston, a shooting point guard from New York, noted last week: "They need a floor general. Right now they have score-first guards. Some nights in the Knicks' box score, the guards only have two, three assists." I'm not sure it would be a great idea as New Yorkers returning home often hasn't worked. But it appears the Pacers are done with Jamaal Tinsley and are about to make some moves.

    Travis Diener replaced Tinsley over the weekend, and while Tinsley had been having something of a revival season with Rick Carlisle gone, he probably cinched his exit last week.

    The Pacers were playing the Suns tough in Phoenix, taking them to overtime. But Tinsley missed eight shots in the fourth quarter and still took 10 of the team's 11 shots in overtime.

    A package including an activity player like Renaldo Balkman or Mardy Collins and an expiring contract ought to be enough for the Knicks to get him.


    New Nets executive Kiki Vandeweghe, a great shooter in his time, listed his top shooters for the Newark Star Ledger: "There's no question Jerry West belongs there. He had the picture-perfect jump shot. You have to put Mark Price in there. He was textbook. Reggie Miller was one of the best, but he had his elbow out a little bit. Larry Bird had it behind his head a little bit. I would also put Dale Ellis in there: He was the best 'simple' shooter there ever was—just put it on his shoulder and shot-put it up. Jerry Lucas was like that—on the shoulder, bang."

    I thought somebody around here had theorized that JT took all of those shots with JOB's knowledge if not blessing.
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    That is interesting. I have to give it some thought .

    There was something about Tinsley's game last night against the Warriors that reminded me of the Jamaal from the past two or three seasons than the Jamaal from this season. Not sure why, but his defense was behind bad again and he seemed to have a really weird look on his face.

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    I thought somebody around here had theorized that JT took all of those shots with JOB's knowledge if not blessing.
    I think it was with O'Brien's blessing that JT had the ball and was trying to create offense, I hardly think that Jim was happy with every shot that Jamaal took.

    I wonder if Sam is getting this info from his sources or if he is just making a stabb at a rumor

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    There was something about Tinsley's game last night against the Warriors that reminded me of the Jamaal from the past two or three seasons than the Jamaal from this season. Not sure why, but his defense was behind bad again and he seemed to have a really weird look on his face.
    He starting playing grudge ball when Ellis intercepted his pass.

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    I'd take Balkman over Collins.

    Smith is off the mark on this one, however, with our situation at PG, I don't think we'd trade Tinsley unless we got a PG (even if it is only backup caliber) in return. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking only about the lack of talent at PG, but moreso the lack of even warm bodies to play the position.

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    I wonder if Sam is getting this info from his sources or if he is just making a stabb at a rumor
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    I'd take Balkman over Collins.

    Smith is off the mark on this one, however, with our situation at PG, I don't think we'd trade Tinsley unless we got a PG (even if it is only backup caliber) in return. Otherwise we wouldn't be talking only about the lack of talent at PG, but moreso the lack of even warm bodies to play the position.
    I agree, unless we are planning and have in the works a couple of trades one of which will bring in a point guard.

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    Tinsley and Harrison for Collins and Malik Rose?

    or just Tinsley for Collins and Jerome James?
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    knowing the knicks we would get some picks

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    Though we don't exactly need another SF, Renaldo would be oh so fantastic for us. That's our lockdown perimeter player right there, and his energy and knack for rebounding/grabbing loose balls is both uncanny and infectious. I would absolutely love a deal where we give up JT and Quis for Balkman and Q.
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    I'd be all for getting Balkman and an expiring contract, but I'll believe it when I see, which means I never will.

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    I see where Starbury was inexplicably DNP last night.
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    Does NY still own their 1st rounder this year ?

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    I would love this. 2 contracts that end after next year same time we will need it to resign granger, Diogu or go after a free agent. I would be happy if we did this and just told Starbury to stay home. See if we can buy him out or just wait it out. Malik we could use he knows the what defense is at least. Curry would do better closer to his home town and in a smaller market. NY is hard to play in. Plus we cut the connection to the brawl and we get rid of the franchis killer aka Murphy. We go young and see what happens with Williams and Diogu at the PF spot with Curry and Foster at Center. We will probably in the hunt for a top 3 pick but the way I see it I think I could live seeing Gordon or Rose in a pacers uniform next year.





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    Incoming Players
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    given how hard JOB runs practices... i kinda think trading for curry is a bad idea.


    Former Bull Eddy Curry took a shot at Chicago GM John Paxson for his timing on the Scott Skiles firing.

    "It was crazy they let him go Christmas Eve," Curry said.

    Paxson would not give Curry a long-term deal because of his irregular heartbeat. Curry is not a fan of Paxson - or of Skiles.

    "He's extremely hard on you, especially (when) you're going as hard as you can and he continues to push us," Curry said. "I'm pretty sure you can only take so much."

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    also, when was the last time sam smith was right about anything?
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    I strongly dislike Curry. I'd rather something like this.

    JO/Murph/Tins/Hulk for
    Starbury/Rose/Lee/Balkman/Collins/Morris.

    NY has no picks this year, and no 2nd-rounder next year.
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    I strongly dislike Curry. I'd rather something like this.

    JO/Murph/Tins/Hulk for
    Starbury/Rose/Lee/Balkman/Collins/Morris.

    NY has no picks this year, and no 2nd-rounder next year.
    New York actually has their own first round pick this year. (#3 right now)
    Utah only gets it if it's 24th or beyond. It's top 23 protected.

    There's just no way I see the Knicks not having their own pick.

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    More on NY.

    The following article speculates that Isiah is wanting to get fired.

    I've thought for some time isiah's been messing up to get a good pick in the draft and Dolan was down with it, thus the reason Isiah hasn't been fired.

    It would appear everyone in NY wants Isiah out of the Knick job, including Isiah, and Dolan. The difference is Isiah wants to be fired so he can collect his full contract, and Dolan wants him to just quit, so he won't have to pay him. That means this could get interesting.

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    Answer: Truthfully, I don't have the time to check all your work but I like where you're going for the most part. First off, I'm wondering if everything regarding New York is on hold again. Numerous league sources have informed me that embattled Knicks coach Isiah Thomas has been turning down decent deals left and right, meanwhile driving those around him in Knicks Land batty and, according to the New York Daily News, possibly pushing owner Joe Dolan to fire him. They have been dangling Jamal Crawford in discussions, but I'm told they still won't give up David Lee. That much is bad news for the Kings, who have shown an interest in Lee in the past and would certainly want him in any Artest deal.
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    So, what if Isiah is wanting to make trades, but Dolan is telling him no? Thus Isiah secures a good draft pick for the Knicks and then Dolan fires him after the season, or after the Knicks are assured or a good lottery pick.

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    That is interesting. I have to give it some thought .

    There was something about Tinsley's game last night against the Warriors that reminded me of the Jamaal from the past two or three seasons than the Jamaal from this season. Not sure why, but his defense was behind bad again and he seemed to have a really weird look on his face.
    I thought the same thing UB. I think he might have taken it personally when Deiner went nuts against the Kings and Tins only got 5 minutes in the second half of that game.

    Not sure of this speculation, but maybe he has a power trip, whether it be AJ, Saras, Army, McLeod, or now Deiner and Owens getting his minutes. Maybe he sees he is not the heir apparent again and feels threatened again. If thats the case, then he has proven again that he can be a horrible teammate. Kills chemistry on the floor and in the locker room.

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    As I mentioned in the postgame thread Tinsley was somehwere else last night. That was the first game he's really given less than 100% in a long time. (The lazy passing, no d, and bickering with Dunleavy and Granger would be my 3 examples of him mailing it in). I have it on good authority that he bolted from the locker room very quickly last night. If these type of games start piling up than we definitely have to move him. It's sad because the Pacers have given Tinsley chance after chance to turn it around and he refuses to change.

    I know it sounds crazy, but I'd take a chance on Marbury for at least the rest of the season. We only have two ways to go with Starbury running the point: He either a) turns it around, plays up to his potential and gets us to the playoffs or b) continues to be the same old Starbury, meaning we continue to suck and drop down even farther record wise which would give us a legit shot at Eric Gordon.

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    I want david lee....
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    JT is about as stable emotionally as T.O. is. He's only happy
    when he's being coddled and everything is going his way.

    If the Knicks want him, I'd be on the phone ASAP.

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    Could it be Tinsley is uncoachable.. Isiah was finished with him. Rick was finished with him. Now there's friction and we're on our 3rd coach??

    This is the kind of crap that has the Pacers in the mess they are in now with fans. We try and coddle the problem rather than just taking our medicine, cutting out the cancer, and then moving on.

    We hold out WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY past the expiration date on a player, likely over-valuing him along the way, and then end up thoroughly behind the 8-Ball when the festering problem is spotlighted for the whole league to see.

    Until management and/or ownership changes that modus operandi, we're screwed. And if they don't change it they'll end up blaming fans for their need to move the franchise when in reality to find the real reason, all they need to do is look in the mirror.

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    As I mentioned in the postgame thread Tinsley was somehwere else last night. That was the first game he's really given less than 100% in a long time. (The lazy passing, no d, and bickering with Dunleavy and Granger would be my 3 examples of him mailing it in). I have it on good authority that he bolted from the locker room very quickly last night. If these type of games start piling up than we definitely have to move him. It's sad because the Pacers have given Tinsley chance after chance to turn it around and he refuses to change.

    I know it sounds crazy, but I'd take a chance on Marbury for at least the rest of the season. We only have two ways to go with Starbury running the point: He either a) turns it around, plays up to his potential and gets us to the playoffs or b) continues to be the same old Starbury, meaning we continue to suck and drop down even farther record wise which would give us a legit shot at Eric Gordon.

    My Tinsley tolerence level is very low. I do not like hearing that. I hate doing this and I often criticize others for making such assumptions based upon a very short glimpse - but Tinsley did not look too happy on the bench in the second half of the Kings game. He probably was not happy with being replaced by Travis.

    The Pacers basically gave this team to Tinsley this season - he's been allowed to play exactly as he always wanted - but it appears he might be throwing one of his notorious fits. (anyone want to make any bets on whether he plays Wednesday night)

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