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    Default Warriors Pre-Game thread Sunday 1/13 - Interesting analysis about how to beat the Warriors

    In preperation for one of the few Pacers games that I get to see up-close ( this year, I get to go to the Arco on Saturday to see the Pacers play the Kings and then go to the Arena in Oakland to see the Pacers play the Warriors ), I thought I would post this analysis from a Warriors Blog that I found on ClubLakers after they beat the Warriors last month.

    It's an interesting read and something that I hope the Coaching Staff is paying attention to ( I highlighted the good parts in Blue ).

    http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/warri...13-lakers-123/

    An Unnecessary Sequel (Warriors 113, Lakers 123)
    By Adam Lauridsen

    Sunday, December 9th, 2007 at 11:25 pm in Game Summary, Baron Davis, Mickael Pietrus, Monta Ellis, Kelenna Azubuike, Stephen Jackson, Troy Hudson, DJ Mbenga.

    Don Nelson kicked off the season by asking us to wait 20 games before judging his team. At 11-9 — and 10-3 with Stephen Jackson in the line-up — there are endless reasons to be excited about our prospects. Still, the more things change, the more three nagging things stay the same: the San Antonio Spurs, the Utah Jazz, and, as Sunday night made clear, the Los Angeles Lakers. The City of Angeles continued to bedevil the Warriors. In what could have been a rerun of last year’s losses, the team struggled to contain LA’s big men, got burned by Phil Jackson’s systematic offense, and coughed the ball up far too often to stay in the game. If this team is better than last year’s squad (and I still think they are), they need to start winning games that were losses in 06-07.

    Following Friday’s comeback against the Heat, Don Nelson was highly critical of his “8:30 players,” not showing up to play until the second half. Sunday night, with a 6:30 tip, it seemed like most of the roster failed to show up at all. After a series of games during which guys tripped over themselves to play the hero, no one stepped up to bail out the Ws against Kobe and the 14 other guys he doesn’t feel are worthy of playing with him. But while Friday night’s struggles seemed to be a matter of effort, the Lakers had a clear plan for shutting down the Ws’ potent offense:

    Keep Baron from being a playmaker. Kobe spent most of the night draped over Baron no matter where he got the ball. Davis worked a hot hand during the first quarter to drop in a fair number of points, but Kobe’s defense owned him for the final three quarters. The Warriors can still win when Baron misses shots. they have serious trouble, however, when he can’t get others involved. Kobe’s size kept Baron from seeing the court and his speed kept Davis, for the most part, out of the lane. The result was a very stagnant offense. When Hudson and Ellis took turns at the point, things didn’t get much better. The rest of the Warriors did try to move the ball during spurts, but all the passing was around the perimeter. The inside-outside game on which the team thrives was largely non-existent. It showed in our shooting percentage.

    Refuse to abandon the block. Unlike Miami, which tried to run with the Warriors rather than park O’Neal down low, the Lakers sent Bynum, Turiaf, and Ariza into the paint. Bynum, in particular, ate us alive, forcing Nelson to use Mbenga instead of Andris or Al. DJ gave the team a great stretch defensively, but his inability to be a cog in the motion offense kept us from building momentum for a typical Warriors run. We got stops, but we couldn’t always turn them into points at the other end. When Nelson went away from Mbenga looking for more points, the Lakers once again feasted around the basket. Quick big men are still kryptonite to the Warriors’ special powers. We can’t drive past them on offense or keep them away from the rim on defense. Nelson probably will spend all of Tuesday night against the Spurs (and a likely-to-play Duncan) trying to solve the same problem. It’s mid-December. Let’s hope he sorts it out by April.

    Dare the Warriors to beat you from behind the arc. Phil Jackson played the numbers Sunday night. It’s usually a safe bet. The Warriors are viewed by most as three-point crazy team. That’s only half the story. The Warriors use the three pointer to open up the lane by drawing out the defense. They then use their quicker players to get a lot of high percentage looks. The two parts of the game feed off one another. Most teams hate to give up 6, 9, or 12 point runs to the Warriors when they get hot from behind the arc, so they pull their defense out. The Lakers, however, weren’t buying it. The Warriors hit some early threes but the Lakers kept packing the lane. Jackson, Davis, Harrington and Pietrus had open looks all night long but couldn’t convert. The game came down to the Lakers’ high-percentage post and mid-range offense (excluding Kobe’s shots from near the Mexico border) versus the Warriors’ low-percentage barrage from behind the arc. The results were exactly as you would have expected. The Warriors made runs - and crept ahead a few times - but simply didn’t have the consistency to pull it off over 48 minutes. Once again, we’ve seen this playbook before. The Jazz wrote it last season. Nelson has yet to come up with a persuasive rebuttal.
    The key seems to be limiting what Baron can do. My hope is that Granger, Rush and Marquis are able the ones assigned to guarding and hasseling him.

    BTW....anyone else going to the game in Oakland on Sunday?
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    Default Re: Interesting analysis about how to beat the Warriors

    This has very little to do with this thread, but I wish Andris Biedrins was a Pacer.

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    I have a feeling that this could either turn out to be a very exciting game ( much like the Suns/Pacers game ) or a game similiar to the first Post-Trade game in Indy. I still don't think that we will win.....but if Dunleavy and Granger show up on the offensive end....we should be competitive and at least keep pace with them much like the Suns/Pacers game and not embarress ourselves like in the Jazz/Pacers game.

    I'm more concerned that Dunleavy may disappear from the offensive end. I really think that there is a mental aspect and level of confidence to the game that Dunleavy has to overcome to play like the way that we want him to play. I just have a sinking feeling that it's going to be hard to return to Oakland for the first time where the fans continually booed and pretty much ran him out of town.

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    This has very little to do with this thread, but I wish Andris Biedrins was a Pacer.
    I could probably say something in regards to this....but I won't.
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    Default Re: Warriors Pre-Game thread Sunday 1/13 - Interesting analysis about how to beat the Warriors

    What Lauridsen wrote is pretty much how you beat the Warriors.

    As he mentioned, half the reason they're shooting the three is because they're trying to open up the lane for drives to the hoop.

    If I'm an opposing team playing vs. the Warriors, I'd do any of the following:

    - Be as physical with Baron and Jackson as the officials will let you. Try to frustrate them and get the out of rythym, as they're both stubborn guys. Dallas should have tried using Greg Buckner more to simply try to annoy Baron and get in his head.

    -Take the ball to the basket on them and draw fouls. It slows the game down and prevents fast breaks.

    -Take care of the ball and limit turnovers to cut down on fast breaks. Often easier said than done, of course and you want to limit turnovers against anyone, but the Warriors really feed off forcing them.

    -Let them shoot the 3 if they're inclined. Make them prove they can shoot it at a high clip before you start running at them.
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    I'm more concerned that Dunleavy may disappear from the offensive end. I really think that there is a mental aspect and level of confidence to the game that Dunleavy has to overcome to play like the way that we want him to play. I just have a sinking feeling that it's going to be hard to return to Oakland for the first time where the fans continually booed and pretty much ran him out of town.
    Dunleavy got booed, jeered, mocked, harassed, and made fun of most of the time he was in Oakland.

    If he has any ounce of competitive pride in him (and I mean any), he'll show up and compete and try to stick it to the crowd. If he just shrivels up and hides and plays passively, then that'll pretty much justify why the fans wanted him gone.

    This game should go a long way into telling you what kind of competitor Dunleavy really is.

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    I agree with that assessment, except I would not dare Jackson to shoot the 3. Not when he is likely to be focused.

    One thing about Jack is, when he wants to play well he can do it. Not saying he helps your team develop during the season, but when motivated (which is not all the time) he can play a good *individual* game and light you up if he's on.

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    This has very little to do with this thread, but I wish Andris Biedrins was a Pacer.
    I would say Biedrins is a very good, though not great, young prospect. The Warriors aren't shopping him, but if the right deal ever came along, they'd deal him.

    Did you know that Biedrins actually broke one of Shaq's records last week?

    Shaq had a record of something like 26 straight games of making at least 50% of his FG attempts. Biedrins broke it last week and I think he's at 28 or 29 games. Of course the guy doesn't shoot much never shoots outside 5 feet. Now there's a guy who knows his limits.

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    That last point should go well for us if we do our job. Our defense is based around letting teams try to shoot over us and not allowing them to drive to the lane at will. Now that we're going small-ball we should be even better at playing a team like Golden State.

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    Dunleavy got booed, jeered, mocked, harassed, and made fun of most of the time he was in Oakland.

    If he has any ounce of competitive pride in him (and I mean any), he'll show up and compete and try to stick it to the crowd. If he just shrivels up and hides and plays passively, then that'll pretty much justify why the fans wanted him gone.

    This game should go a long way into telling you what kind of competitor Dunleavy really is.
    I REALLY REALLY WANT him to come out and play like the way that he has been playing with us as of late.....become aggressive on the offensive end....where he drives to the hoop...pulling down boards and doing those little things that help us win. I really want him to be able to show the Warriors fans what their missing out on.
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    Anyone here going to the Warriors and/or Kings game?
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    I wish... I'd like to experience being part of a Warriors game. Must be crazy.

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    Sounds to me like Mike is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. If he does the right thing and plays his normal game, playing his normal role on the team, he's a coward or he isn't a competitor. If he tries to torch Golden State, to do so he has to play differently than he normally does, most likely outside of the team's gameplan, and become a selfish player.

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    Sounds to me like Mike is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. If he does the right thing and plays his normal game, playing his normal role on the team, he's a coward or he isn't a competitor. If he tries to torch Golden State, to do so he has to play differently than he normally does, most likely outside of the team's gameplan, and become a selfish player.
    At times, I can only hope that Dunleavy can be a selfish player. When he's aggressive on the offensive end......he seems to be far more effective.
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    I may be going to the game, haven't completely decided yet. It's hovering in the "likely" area.

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    Anyone here going to the Warriors and/or Kings game?
    I'll be at the Warrior game and my Warrior fan friend is already gearing up to boo Dunleavy the entire night.

    I'm in the camp that fully expects a 3-11 with 9 points night from Dunleavy.

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    I would say Biedrins is a very good, though not great, young prospect. The Warriors aren't shopping him, but if the right deal ever came along, they'd deal him.

    Did you know that Biedrins actually broke one of Shaq's records last week?

    Shaq had a record of something like 26 straight games of making at least 50% of his FG attempts. Biedrins broke it last week and I think he's at 28 or 29 games. Of course the guy doesn't shoot much never shoots outside 5 feet. Now there's a guy who knows his limits.
    JINX!

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    JINX!
    Yeah, I jinxed him. My bad. Still, he now holds the record at 30 straight games of shooting 50% or better. Not bad for a guy with very little offensive game.
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    I'll be at the Warrior game and my Warrior fan friend is already gearing up to boo Dunleavy the entire night.

    I'm in the camp that fully expects a 3-11 with 9 points night from Dunleavy.
    LOL. Warrior fans and Dunleavy just never really endeared themselves to each other. Yeah, we gave that guy a pretty hard time. It was like the fan version of what Doug Collins and Jordan did to Kwame Brown.

    Good for him that he's found a better place for himself.

    I'd expect some pretty rough taunts against Dunleavy. We're not total haters, tho. If I had to guess, I'd say Jason Richardson is probably going to get a 2 minute standing ovation when the Bobcats come to town.

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    I'm ready

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    So all we need is a defensive player that can control Baron and a post presence playing as well as Bynum.

    Gosh, that is easy.

    BTW, if you want to beat Phoenix just stop Nash and keep them from running. For the Spurs just force Duncan to shoot the 3 and keep Ginobili from driving on you.


    I do agree that playing Jack and Baron physical to draw them out of their game and into a one-on-one game where they play out of frustation can work, and of course you try to watch the pace so that you don't give out too many possessions at mid-court or where you haven't forced all their defenders toward the baseline (thus extending the court on them a little).

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    I'll be at the Warrior game and my Warrior fan friend is already gearing up to boo Dunleavy the entire night.

    I'm in the camp that fully expects a 3-11 with 9 points night from Dunleavy.
    I hope he will play like the way that he has played as of late....but I reluctantly agree with you that he's gonna fold like a house of cards under the pressure.
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