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  • #16
    Re: The Least interest I have had in years

    I should also say that I've enjoyed the games more this year, at least when they are playing "the right way".
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    • #17
      Re: The Least interest I have had in years

      Originally posted by Doug View Post
      That explains the restraining order...
      Were you at the game, when that kid ran out onto the court, that was actually me, and I wanted to give Foster a big high five or a hug, and I was almost ready to do so, but then he tripped me.

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      • #18
        Re: The Least interest I have had in years

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        so I just wonder why it is different now from those years when the team either wasn't good at all or average.
        It's the lack of movement over several years in a positive direction. Several things were allowed to fester until they exploded. JO and JT are no longer seen as the next wave for the franchise. There's very little hope for the future that fans can latch onto right now.

        Allowing players like James Jones to get away yet keeping anti-team players on the roster year after year.

        Keeping coaches past their expiration date... and keeping the same basic team intact around them.

        Having the bar raised with a successful run in the 90's. Also, having the Colts show that a 'small market team' CAN win AND be media players on the natl stage. Also showing a different style of ownership/management.

        Pondwater slow management might be fine for times of prosperity but it is a death sentence for down times like these.

        That's what is different.
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        • #19
          Re: The Least interest I have had in years

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          You are missing some pretty exciting games.
          The only exiciting game that I have witnessed as of late was the Suns/Pacers game which was through NBA.com Audio Pass and Yahoo GameCast ( since I am an Out-Of-State Pacer fan that does not have NBALP ).

          But I also turned off 2 recent games that we were doing poorly in during the 3rd QTR. Why? because the Pacers are a team that I have very little confidence in that was incapable of pulling themselves out of whatever hole that they dug themselves into. Every game before that I listened to ( except for the games at the beginning of the season ) just seemed like a rehash of what we saw from the Pacers last year.

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          One thing, I've noticed is when you don't watch a game, and the Pacers lose - you figure everything that happended within the game was bad. Same thing when they win, but you didn't watch it - you figure everything was good within the game. But when you watch the game you see things differently, you see the good and bad whether the Pacers win or lose.
          I doubt that my opinion would change if I got to watch more then the 2 games that I get to witness on TV this season. TPTB may have changed the proverbial "packaging on the product" on the outside ( by changing to an up-tempo offense ) but they still decided to keep the "same old ingredients" on the inside ( where we see that some players fit and some don't ).

          What's the end result? An offense that may seem flashier then last years that may appeal ( in some way ) to the common fan.....but is still the same old mediocre "barely .500" team that we were last year.

          Sure, we maybe scoring more points but we're still losing games in the end .
          Last edited by CableKC; 01-11-2008, 03:23 PM.
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          • #20
            Re: The Least interest I have had in years

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            I don't understand how anyone cannot enjoy watching Jeff Foster. I find watching him thrilling and inspiring
            Originally posted by Doug View Post
            That explains the restraining order...
            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            Were you at the game, when that kid ran out onto the court, that was actually me, and I wanted to give Foster a big high five or a hug, and I was almost ready to do so, but then he tripped me.

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            • #21
              Re: The Least interest I have had in years

              brichard, jose,

              Uhm....thanks for testing the water for me. Although I've gone to a couple of games, (BTW, did the all inclusive beers and grub thing at Legends. Suh-weet!!) I feel the same as you guys. I'll watch the TNT lineup on Thursday from begging to end, but you almost have to pay me to stick through a whole Pacer's game. bball pretty much summed up how I feel...

              It's the lack of movement over several years in a positive direction. Several things were allowed to fester until they exploded. JO and JT are no longer seen as the next wave for the franchise. There's very little hope for the future that fans can latch onto right now.

              Allowing players like James Jones to get away yet keeping anti-team players on the roster year after year.

              Keeping coaches past their expiration date... and keeping the same basic team intact around them.
              We have this horrible habit, as a franchise, of not letting people go at the optimum time. We knew when the iron was hot to move JO...but we didn't. Same with Artest. There are some other players that management knew were on downward spirals, but did/do nothing about them.

              Back in the 80s and 70's, roster moves and coaching styles were debatable, but you felt the effort was there. It seemed there was a better focus on knowing where you wanted to go. I've always maintained, and will to my dying day that Larry Brown was the best thing to happen to this franchise in forever. Once his guidance was gone, the slow spiral of bad decisions began. (And don't try to tell me that Bird did anything other than ride the tail end of Brown's work.)

              We've managed to foster a certain culture with this team and I don't have the stomach for it. I still root for the Pacers, but I just can't get excited about them.

              The fact that longtimers like Jose and brichard feel the same prompted me to post, also. I just didn't realize some of the old squad felt the same way. As you've probably noticed I hardly EVER post on the main forum. I may have a post or two in the Shout Box or Entertainment, but that's about it.

              I've always had a problems with a JO/Tinsley run team and I still do.

              Now, I just don't really care.
              Last edited by Skaut_Ech; 01-11-2008, 03:35 PM.
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              • #22
                Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                Originally posted by Bball View Post
                It's the lack of movement over several years in a positive direction. Several things were allowed to fester until they exploded. JO and JT are no longer seen as the next wave for the franchise. There's very little hope for the future that fans can latch onto right now.

                Allowing players like James Jones to get away yet keeping anti-team players on the roster year after year.

                Keeping coaches past their expiration date... and keeping the same basic team intact around them.

                Having the bar raised with a successful run in the 90's. Also, having the Colts show that a 'small market team' CAN win AND be media players on the natl stage. Also showing a different style of ownership/management.

                Pondwater slow management might be fine for times of prosperity but it is a death sentence for down times like these.

                That's what is different.
                I think it is unfair to suggest James Jones was let go, and instead players like JT, Jax, JO or Artest were kept. You simply cannot equate a second round draft pick at the end of his contract vs a veteran who is on a long term deal - you just cannot get rid of the veterans as easily. And really it came down to JJ or Fred Jones. And in the end it doesn't matter - neither make much of an impact either way.

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                • #23
                  Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  And really it came down to JJ or Fred Jones. And in the end it doesn't matter - neither make much of an impact either way.
                  Are you REALLY saying that James Jones is not much of an impact player right now? Have you not been paying attention for the past couple months? That's just nuts.

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                  • #24
                    Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    The only exiciting game that I have witnessed as of late was the Suns/Pacers game which was through NBA.com Audio Pass and Yahoo GameCast ( since I am an Out-Of-State Pacer fan that does not have NBALP ).

                    But I also turned off 2 recent games that we were doing poorly in during the 3rd QTR. Why? because the Pacers are a team that I have very little confidence in that was incapable of pulling themselves out of whatever hole that they dug themselves into. Every game before that I listened to ( except for the games at the beginning of the season ) just seemed like a rehash of what we saw from the Pacers last year.


                    I doubt that my opinion would change if I got to watch more then the 2 games that I get to witness on TV this season. TPTB may have changed the proverbial "packaging on the product" on the outside ( by changing to an up-tempo offense ) but they still decided to keep the "same old ingredients" on the inside ( where we see that some players fit and some don't ).

                    What's the end result? An offense that may seem flashier then last years that may appeal ( in some way ) to the common fan.....but is still the same old mediocre "barely .500" team that we were last year.

                    Sure, we maybe scoring more points but we're still losing games in the end .


                    This years team has little resemblance to last years - that just isn't true. Did you turn the
                    Orlando game off when the pacers were dowm 17 in the 3rd quarter, did you turn the heat game off when the pacers were down 7 with about 2 minutes to go. Did you turn off the Clippers game when the pacers trailed in the 4th quarter. The point is that the pacers have had some decent comebacks this season.

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                    • #25
                      Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                      Originally posted by Roy Munson View Post
                      Are you REALLY saying that James Jones is not much of an impact player right now? Have you not been paying attention for the past couple months? That's just nuts.
                      haven't we discussed this. Yes JJ since he has left the pacers franchise is not a difference maker. If he continues what he is doing this season for the rest of this season and next season, then I'll change my opinion.



                      OK, to those of you who have decided not to pay much attention to the pacers. A common theme seems to be JO and Tinsley, if and when they are traded, will you come back to the team, even if they aren't (at least initially) as good s they are right now

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                      • #26
                        Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        haven't we discussed this. Yes JJ since he has left the pacers franchise is not a difference maker. If he continues what he is doing this season for the rest of this season and next season, then I'll change my opinion.
                        Wha-huh!?

                        James is kicking *** in Portland, everybody there loves him and sings his praises at the drop of a hat, and yet Jeff playing good once every 5 games is awe-inspiring?
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                        • #27
                          Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                          Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                          Wha-huh!?

                          James is kicking *** in Portland, everybody there loves him and sings his praises at the drop of a hat, and yet Jeff playing good once every 5 games is awe-inspiring?
                          He has played well for almost half of a season and many of you are acting like we let LeBron James get away. At best JJ is a good shooter, nice defender, and a good guy, but he isn't going to ever be considered among a teams best 3 or 4 players.

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                          • #28
                            Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                            James Jones has turned into a very solid role-player. I still feel we have a better version of JJ right now in Shawne Williams, but James would be a very nice to piece to have with our current offensive style.

                            You can all at least partially blame Rick Carlise for JJ no longer being a Pacer. JJ just wasn't going to thrive in a system like Rick's.

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                            • #29
                              Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              I have completely missed 4 games this season and by that I mean, did not even listen on the radio or follow the score throughout the game. Work took me out of the country and family things over Thanksgiving took me out of the state - and it is foreign to me to miss a game or even a minute of a game - it just seems weird, it isn't something I ever want to get used to
                              About the same for me and I completely agree. I don't like the team playing poorly or even losing when they play well, but I'm still fascinated by the game itself. Even if they lose I want to know how and why, plus I still enjoy the small portions that are good even in a blow out.


                              Rat is right though, internet and sports talk have taken outrage to an entirely new level. I wish I could say I was above this, but while I try to be logical I'm still loaded with emotions on the issues too and moreso with these quick response avenues while I'm still upset.

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                              • #30
                                Re: The Least interest I have had in years

                                Originally posted by Shade View Post
                                James Jones has turned into a very solid role-player. I still feel we have a better version of JJ right now in Shawne Williams, but James would be a very nice to piece to have with our current offensive style.

                                You can all at least partially blame Rick Carlise for JJ no longer being a Pacer. JJ just wasn't going to thrive in a system like Rick's.
                                Errr...he exploded under Rick and it was Rick that started using him late in games when saw that he could handle it. The Pacers just tried to curb costs, not make a change on need or fitting the system.

                                JJ is not Shawne, he is an SG. He is what we want Rush to be, or at least Diener. He'll come in and run a curl, drop a few 3 bombs at a great rate and then block a few shots. His awareness at the time was no better than Shawne or Danny have right now, but we are willing to live with them.

                                Think about a 2/3/4 combo of JJ/DG/SW, that's 38-40% from 3 on a very regular basis, not just hot streaks. The only issue with that group is that you would still need some STRONG leadership and maturity at the PG/C spots to stabilize and guide them. And of course that would mean some pretty green defense for a year or so.

                                I guess now I need to dig out some JJ clips from his time here and show him running a strong curl for the 3pt catch and shoot, stuff like that. He's not Lebron, but then just what was he asking for in salary? Not exactly Lebron in that area either.

                                People are mad that Indy let go of a pure 3pt shooter that wanted shooting specialist money. No different than if they let Kapono go, and who wouldn't want him on the team right now.

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