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Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

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    Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

    Well I just watched the game on tape delay and I am just jumping straight here without going over other posts so if I cover some ground that others have already said, please forgive me.

    Now with that in mind.

    I would like to hand out the dumb @ss award of the night, I'm tempted to say this really should go be dumb @ss of the mellinium, to....
















    Jim O'Brien.

    Yes that's right to our wonderfull head coach who in about one nights time has made me totally reconsider any positive things I have said or thought about him.

    B!tch and complain all you want about Jamaal Tinsley and believe me you would have to get in line behind me and some of the new made up swear words I uttered during the 4th and OT, but at the end of it all there is only one person to blame for that and he is over on the sidelines.

    If Larry Bird fired him right now and replaced him with Scott Skiles I don't think I would be offended.

    Yes, I know that is pretty drastic and once I cool down I will probably change my mind (maybe). But right now that is how p!ssed off I am about this loss.

    We had this game, period.

    If the Suns had come back and beat us while we were trying to run what was supposed to be our offense then I wouldn't utter a word. I would have just said, they are better than us and I was happy with the way we played.

    But litterally that OT and last few min. of the 4th quarter offended me so bad that I am really truely going to have to go back and think of something good to say.

    I don't care if it's Allen Iverson, Jermaine O'Neal, Michael Jordan, Ron Artest or even Dr. J, I hate with the passion of a white hot sun the type of ball we saw exhibited at the end of the game.

    The only thing missing was for there to be the guy with the mic running up and down the court with Jamaal yelling "Mel Mel in da house" or we might as well have been at Rucker park. However who needs the carnival barker when you have a head coach over on the sidelines playing pick up stix with his butt cheeks instead of coaching the game.

    Disgusting.

    I have not been this mad at a Pacers loss in years. In fact I don't know that I have ever been this mad at a Pacers loss.

    What makes me so mad is that O'Brien ruined a great game from the team overall by instructing the point guard to play star ball. Yes, that's right, he was instructing him to do that.

    If he wasn't instructing him to do that then why did he not pull him? That's right because he had no problem with it.

    Credit to the Suns they did improve the defense and increased the intensity.

    However while I take nothing away from them they had accomplises in crime tonight on our bench.

    There are no moral victory's, period.

    If we are playing for moral victory's then by God I don't want to see a Pacer on the floor who has been in the NBA for more than 4 years because we better be seeing what we have.

    But no, O'Brien was actually trying to win that game.

    Can you believe that, that was actually an attempt to win the game.

    I'm not sure right now that I wouldn't have preferred Hick's or U.B. or Gnome to be making the calls in the 4th compared to what I got.

    I know for damn sure that I would have preffered Tbird to take over about mid way through the 4th.

    Sorry folks I always try and give us something positive, and frankly if it wasn't for the way we ended the game I would have been on here singing the praises of (in no particular order) Jeff Foster, Troy Murphy, Shawne Williams, Danny Granger, Travis Diener & Kareem Rush.

    However Jim O'Briens coaching took whatever joy I was having & believe me I was actually enjoying that game and threw it all away.

    BTW, to the Jamaal bandwagon out there. I am not mad at your boy at all. Oh believe me at first I cursed and cursed and cursed some more at him but as time went on it became abundantly clear to me that the coach was encouraging this crap.

    So to me you can't be mad when you throw a fox into a chicken coop and he goes fox on you.

    Telling Jamaal to play selfish one on one playground rucker park crap is the problem, not that Jamaal did it.

    I'm going away now to cool out and I may try and give up something else later.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

    post of the new year right here ..

    I agree with everything you said man... its digusting.. and JOB done ruined it when he started saying about a month ago that JT was our "quarterback" and yadda yadda blah blah..

    just feeding JT's already inflated ego..

    Bird done the EXACT same thing with J.O.. the last year Reggie was here... telllin JO how it was "his" team .. and it totally screwed alot of things up..
    1st all JO should never have been told he was their number 1 player and it was his team.. while Reggie was still here in uniform.... I think that it pissed Miller off a bit honestly... because before that point in time.. Miller had been talking of playing a few more years.. then that was said.. and he happens to say the hell with it and retire at the end of season...

    ya im pretty disgusted too
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      Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

      Originally posted by Kemo View Post

      Bird done the EXACT same thing with J.O.. the last year Reggie was here... telllin JO how it was "his" team .. and it totally screwed alot of things up..
      I agree it screwed up a lot of things, but it was Reggie himself that started that it's JO's team. Reggie even deferred to JO when he shouldn't have and that's what really killed us.

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        Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

        I don't think he condones a 33% shooter to shoot every time down the floor in the most crucial part of a game. He's trying eat clock and spread the floor to let JT create for himeself or his teamates. It's not a bad idea in theory but you need a PG with a brain to make good decisions then you need your teamates to trust that if they continue to work that PG will pass them the ball. Neither of those are possible when JT is your point guard and feels he can do whatever he wants.

        Obviously Obie's to blame cause all he had to do was pull Tinsley or set him straight and he did neither, but I wouldn't blame him for his game plan. I'd blame him for not showing any guts.

        Mal had it right in the post game thread. He'll address it tommorow during film session and try to teach Jamaal again, but I highly doubt it gets through.

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          Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

          Originally posted by BruceLeeroy View Post
          ...Mal had it right in the post game thread. He'll address it tommorow during film session and try to teach Jamaal again, but I highly doubt it gets through.
          The last couple of times JT has totally dominated the FGA stats (vs MIA, 1st half, 2nd game; vs ATL, 2nd game) he followed with games of 3 FGAs and 8 FGAs. Maybe an attempt to take the lesson to heart?


          [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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            Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

            It's been a long time since I was so upset at a loss myself. And my immediate thoughts were to WHAT was JOB going to do about the JT show. I kept waiting for an a$$ chewing or a seat on the bench for JT (even if only for a possession or two). But neither happened. Instead, we got to see some of the most selfish basketball that has been seen in the NBA in a long time.

            JT wasn't 'hot'. We weren't riding the hot hand. I have no idea what we were doing. But I blame both JOB and Tinsley for that pathetic display of basketball we endured. I could've accepted a loss if it had happened under normal circumstances, but not one like this.

            JT should be smart enough NOT to do that... and of course the coach should have enough balls not to allow him to do that. I'm not giving either a pass and I'm not giving JT a pass just because the coach did. Lord knows, JT didn't give anyone a pass either to close this game out!

            And speaking of stupid, knowing the general opinion of this team and Tinsley in general, to allow that display to continue unchecked was a recipe for fans caring even less about JT or this team. Totally stupid.

            And lastly... Chemistry. What a way to destroy any budding team chemistry and reinforce several doubts about Tinsley ever truly being the "answer" for this team.

            Disgusting!!!!!

            -Bball
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              Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

              Oh Dear God!! Thanks Peck...just saved me a long time typing by saying everything I was thinking. The only other angry thought I had was right before Tinsley started shooting everying Freaking time, we took about 13 3pt shots in a row and MISSED THEM all.

              WE STOPPED DOING EVERYTHING THAT GOT US THE LEAD. EVERYTHING!!! Why coaches continue to f-up perfectly good games is beyond my comprehension. My phone buzzes at each quarter with a score and after knowing we were ahead at half time....I KNEW when the 5th buzz came we somehow f-'d this game up and lost in overtime!!

              From the 4 minute mark in regulation until the end of overtime.....was the most disgusting basketball I've ever seen! And I was a fan back in the Dick Versace days.

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              • #8
                Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

                There's nothing to be bitter about. We're playing our way back into Eric Gordon territory. He, Danny, and Shawne (who was amazing tonight) will help lead us back to contendership. Throw in another lottery pick or two, and a nice FA signing, and this sub-mediocre pile of crap we call a team will be a distant memory.
                Last edited by Kofi; 01-10-2008, 05:39 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

                  We've blown crazy leads all year. That's okay, because this style is supposed to sell more tickets.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

                    Jamal Tinsley is killing this team.....
                    8-26 from the floor...0-7 threes....
                    Dunleavy shoots 9 times????
                    Im getting sick of watching this garbage........
                    I predicted 30 wins before the season and Im not going to be off
                    by much if they dont change the offense .....

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

                      I'm just wondering, where do we go from here?

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                        Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

                        Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                        I'm just wondering, where do we go from here?
                        How about if we pick up a legit BU PG so the coach COULD bench JT and still have a chance of winning. Remember, at this point Deiner was in the lockerroom being X-rayed and we still HAD a chance to win. But no real legit PG was available to help. Perhaps Quis for a play or two. But I wonder if JOB was getting his 1st real look at Mel Mel the Abuser and kept thinking "well, he'll get it right next time down the floor....he'll realize what he's doing".

                        No?
                        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

                          I, for one, didn't mind Jamaal's aggressiveness. What I didn't like is the fact that we became very guardable when he showed he wasn't giving it up. I think if we'd have mixed it up just a little, we would have pulled that game out. The thing I hated was the 4th qtr stretch of 3-point chucking, and the fact that JOB pulled Shawne, when he was our hottest player. Hopefully that was an issue of SW being tired; although, I don't recall Shawne looking all that exhausted, to the point where he couldn't go the last 5 min.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

                            this was the worst execution the Pacers have done since the Game 7 loss to the Bulls. *that one stings too much for me*

                            Have to agree with what Peck has mentioned - if this is how we are planning on playing through the season, i'd be better off keeping the games off...my stomach can't handle this disgust.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bitter thoughts after the loss to the Suns

                              I know the answer to this...

                              Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                              I'm just wondering, where do we go from here?


                              From here we go to Sacramento, to play the Kings on Saturday.


                              Glad I could help.
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