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Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

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  • #46
    Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

    Originally posted by JBones19 View Post
    I honestly think the reason Tins took every shot in OT was because our players were completely exhausted. They gave Tins the ball and iso'd him against Marion pretty much every play in OT and NOBODY was cutting or moving. It almost looked like he was supposed to be taking every shot- it was ugly. I feel bad for Jeff, Danny, Troy, and Shawne, they played their butts off. But if there is a silver lining, we played phenomenally the first 3 1/2 quarters, maybe we'll learn how to finish one day...

    On Deiner- he suffered a nasty sprained ankle and probably will be out a while (speculating here) but when he was in he pushed the tempo very well and hit some shots.
    That first line is bogus! We had fresh legs out there in Quis, Dunleavy and there was still Owens in reserve. Granted, he hadn't played the entire game, but I'd have gone to him in regularion if it meant getting a fresh body out there who could knock down a three, if necessary, or drive to the basket.

    This was poor decision making all around by the coach and his starting PG!!! There's no way in h**l I'd allow my team to take jump shots with the game under 3 minutes and you're within 10 pts of your opponent whether ahead or trying to claw your way from behind because long jump shots ALWAYS led to long rebounds. The odds are totally against you, and I don't care if you're the best 3-point shooting team in the league. Odds are you'll miss a few and your opponent will get the rebound and score the ball in transition. It's just NOT smart basketball.

    JOB blew this!

    Tinsley blew this!

    This game above ALL others IMO is very hard to swallow because it was theirs!! The Pacers had the Suns on the ropes! Their ONLY offense for the most part down the stretch was Barbosa. He started clanking them near the end while the Pacers got the rebounds and just threw up clanker after clanker from downtown themselves, and in doing so let the Suns steal yet another game from them.

    Absolutely ridiculous! Pathetic!! Utterly uncalled for!!!
    Last edited by NuffSaid; 01-10-2008, 01:26 AM.

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    • #47
      Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

      Jim O'Brien:

      “The effort was exceptional. It’s very disappointing to lose, I thought we competed. The injuries to Kareem (Rush) and Travis (Diener) hurt our depth. We were basing our whole tempo on depth and that kind of set us back. We had to play some guys a little longer than we wanted to. I thought Jeff (Foster) and Troy Murphy did a great job of holding down the middle by themselves. Disappointing, but a good hard effort from our ball club.”
      God I'm so sick and tired of hearing about depth. There isn't a more usless thing in all of sports. If you're starters aren't up to snuff YOU WILL LOSE MORE THAN YOU WIN PERIOD.
      The Pacers like to try and sell us on this depth but its becoming complete and utter BS. This team doesn't have depth. This was Diener's first good game ALL SEASON. Ike has been basically useless since he has returned. And anything Murphy does positive is typically cancelled out almost immediately by some sort of missed defensive assigment or poor jump shot. The only players that give us "depth" consistently right now are Quis, Rush, and Foster. And quite honestly that ain't saying much. Countless teams in the NBA have better benches than us.
      So until we get a LEGIT sixth man candidate or some better starters any talk of "depth" on this team is merely lip service. Year after year (basically the past three or four years) we hear about our superior "depth" how strong our benches is and all of this noise. I'm tired of it. Give me a brilliant group of 5 starters over depth any day. Especially when its as mediocre as our depth is.
      Last edited by Trader Joe; 01-10-2008, 01:29 AM.


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      • #48
        Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

        JOB had a big hand in the way this game ended. No doubt. He should never had let a foolish player have free reign to do as he pleases in the critical moments of a game. If he really encourages a 33% shooter to shoot 20+ shots a game and to take over at crunch time he's a fool as well. Hopefully TPTB are just trying to inflate JT's trade value or trying to tank the season(maybe both) or else I have little faith in JOB's decision making.

        And for those that are saying JT's shots are due to playing with more effort or us needing another player because JT doesn't trust his teamates go check the box score. There were several players shooting the ball well tonight. There was no need for him to do this again. Not tonight.

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        • #49
          Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

          I can only assume one of the following:

          1) Jim O'Brien is a bad in-game coach

          2) While he doesn't think it was the best idea for Tinsley to do what he did, he made the promise to let them have the offense while he has the defense, and to stick to that he'll simply point out in film session and in practice the error of Tinsley's ways (in a constructive way) to teach him to make better decisions on his own.

          I can believe 1, but I'm going with 2.

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          • #50
            Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

            It kind of looked like we were gassed late in the overtime period. I gave them a ton of credit for playing that well on the second day of a back to back, running with Phoenix, and taking them into OT on their floor.

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            • #51
              Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

              Originally posted by Mal View Post
              I can only assume one of the following:

              1) Jim O'Brien is a bad in-game coach

              2) While he doesn't think it was the best idea for Tinsley to do what he did, he made the promise to let them have the offense while he has the defense, and to stick to that he'll simply point out in film session and in practice the error of Tinsley's ways (in a constructive way) to teach him to make better decisions on his own.

              I can believe 1, but I'm going with 2.
              I'd say you probably got it right. The thing is this has happened several times this year. JT either doesn't get it or doesn't care. He has no excuse for tonight because other players were playing well. I realize Obie probably made some of those ISO calls but that doesn't mean he wants JT to take the shot every time down. He calls it to eat some clock and let his best playmaker make plays. The more I think about it the more I blame JT for this one.

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              • #52
                Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                Everyone is criticizing O'Brien now, but I was doing it before it was cool. I believe I led the charge against Murphy too.



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                • #53
                  Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                  just saw the game on tape - damn!
                  after all those time outs we took - we still went with the JT Ball...seriously was that the best play that JOB could draw in the huddle?
                  I understand and appreciate what Mal has mentioned - but surely JOB was not drawing defensive schemes when we had the ball and were in need of a score...right?!?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                    JOB is handing Tins with kid gloves because he doesn't want to deal with the old Tins, sulking on the bench and being an being a complete a$$.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                      Did everyone see the same game I did?

                      What exactly were our options besides Tins at the end?

                      We did not score in the 4th quarter. No one cut, we took like 13-15 3's and couldn't hit anything. Tins was the only one who seemed to want a shot. I'm sorry, but if guys would've gotten open, or we could've bought a bucket at the end, I'm guessing Tins would've passed the ball.

                      The start of OT, Tin's had a it going, and hit a couple of baskets. He kept trying and they didn't fall. Besides the very end, most were decent shots, and ones that he can frequently hit.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                        Originally posted by Phildog View Post
                        Did everyone see the same game I did?

                        What exactly were our options besides Tins at the end?

                        We did not score in the 4th quarter. No one cut, we took like 13-15 3's and couldn't hit anything. Tins was the only one who seemed to want a shot. I'm sorry, but if guys would've gotten open, or we could've bought a bucket at the end, I'm guessing Tins would've passed the ball.

                        The start of OT, Tin's had a it going, and hit a couple of baskets. He kept trying and they didn't fall. Besides the very end, most were decent shots, and ones that he can frequently hit.
                        apparently you saw another game.
                        All I saw was JT taking over the offense and the team members realizing that it was going to be a show of "MEL MEL" and decided it wasn't worth to cut/etc cause JT was not looking to dish the ball out.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                          Originally posted by Phildog View Post

                          What exactly were our options besides Tins at the end?

                          The start of OT, Tin's had a it going, and hit a couple of baskets. He kept trying and they didn't fall. Besides the very end, most were decent shots, and ones that he can frequently hit.
                          Tins went 4-14 during the Pacers last 16 shots. He was being guarded largely by Shawn Marion, a very good defender. 4-14 is roughly 28%. 28% is about what you'd expect a bad shooter (35% for the season) to shoot when being guarded by a good defender.

                          Our other options were everybody on the floor but Tins. At the end of regulation we had Rush, Dunleavy, and Granger on the floor. They are all much better shooters than Tins. I don't care if they're standing still.

                          Things could have been done differently. Shawne Williams was hot and would have been fresh if O'Brien would have put him in the game. Andre Owens could have been put in for Tins. This would force the good shooters to shoot. Marquis Daniels could have been allowed to be a creator.

                          This loss falls entirely on the shoulders of O'Brien and Tinsley. The blame lies nowhere else.

                          Losing a game where you're up by 16 in the second half is a failure, no matter how hard you play.
                          "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

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                          • #58
                            Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                            Originally posted by bellisimo View Post
                            apparently you saw another game.
                            All I saw was JT taking over the offense and the team members realizing that it was going to be a show of "MEL MEL" and decided it wasn't worth to cut/etc cause JT was not looking to dish the ball out.

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            Perhaps it helps to sleep for 6 hours between the time the game ends and the time I responded in this thread.

                            I think it is important to put things in perspective and not just look at the last couple of minutes of the 4th and OT in a vacuum. So that is what I will attempt to do.

                            Bare with me here, this is all from memory (I watched the game live and only once). Let me first say that the Pacers basically ran two different plays in the OT and the last 4 minutes of regulations. One was a JT post up, the other once was a pass to the big guy (Jeff) at the elbow, and then JT and a wing player would cross cut and jeff would give the ball to the open guy. Both plays were working. Pacers got several wide open good looks from 3 late in regulation. Granger missed two really good looks, and there were a couple of other really good looks that were missed. If they had hit one of those threes, the pacers win the game.

                            Those two plays were also run in the OT. Yes JT took all the shots - but he did also hit a few of those.

                            Am I happy that JT took all the shots - no, but no one else was hitting anything. The only real complaint I have with Jim is that Williams didn't come back in at the end of regulation. He had 5 fouls and he was dead tired when he was taken out, but he should have been in the game near the end.

                            Yes it was a tough loss, and yes without Nash, the pacers should have won the game. But I refuse to let the very end ruin the rest of the game and things that I believe can be used in future games. More on that in a little bit
                            Apparently UB saw the same thing I did.

                            Too many knee jerks going on after this one.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                              Originally posted by odeez View Post
                              Nope.

                              TINS = poor decisions down the stretch, we have other shooters on this team.

                              The Isolation with Tinsley was working for a while. After when Dunleavy I think, missed the wide open 3, Tins said **** it and started to hogg the ball.

                              we should have won the game, cause Amare turned the ball over TRAVELLED, but it wasn't even called.

                              If we can play how we played last night, this team is so much better. I'm telling you, Diener and Graham need to play more. And Shawne proves why he should be getting playing time.

                              I prayed that we won the game, but I seen the loss coming. We should have won
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                              • #60
                                Re: Pacers/Suns Post Game 37: So close, yet so far

                                Originally posted by Phildog View Post
                                Apparently UB saw the same thing I did.

                                Too many knee jerks going on after this one.
                                Not aggreeing with you = knee jerk?

                                I DISAGREE!!!




                                Seriously though, Mike took 9 shots and hit 6, Danny took 18 shots and hit 9, Williams took 12 shots and hit 9. Those are good percentages. Why didn't we set screens for these guys after Tins started throwing clankers around? I don't get it. And Tins actually played pretty well the first 3 quarters, but that 4th quarter and OT... wow... .

                                Regards,

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