Let me see how does that go again? Never get to up after a win and never get to down after a loss.....
Well what do you do when you haven't won in awhile and the losing has been, how to put this politely, decisive.
People I watched every single solitary brutal moment of this game and all I can say is "I don't have a clue".
Is it offense? Is it defense? Is the the system? Is it the players? Is it coaching?
My answer to all of the above is yes. However right now I don't know of one true thing to do to change any of that.
Also for those of you that are voting to blow it up, and believe me if you would have asked me that 9 min. into the third quarter I would have provided you the match, I want to ask you this.
Blow it up and do what?
Look I make no seceret to this I have wanted Jermaine O'Neal traded for years. However I am now seeing trades suggested on here that even I am cringing at.
Cap room mean nothing & I mean nothing if you can't attract free agents to come here.
Well here is the news on that, young big name free agents are not going to be lining up to play for a team that they consider has zero chance of winning in the very near future.
Yes, you can use the money to pay some of your players down the road. But even then I have to wonder if we really should.
Right now does anybody really want to invest big money in Ike? I know Shawn has a lot of fans but in truth as of now does he deserve a long term extension? I realize that both of them are far more deserveing the Jon Bender who got his deal with far less on floor production, but aren't we trying to avoid that again?
By no means am I on here trying to say "stay the course" but I just want everybody who wants to ship J.O. off for two stiffs with expiring contracts to actually think this through. Now throw in a high unprotected draft pick and we can talk.
Or if somebody wants to tell me that just getting rid of J.O. will benefit the team I am willing to hear them out. But to do it purely for money? No thanks.
I don't pay to see dollar bills run up and down the floor and the Pacers have zero track record of being able to attract free agents.
As I stated in the "we need a trade" thread that Shade put up, this season is a transitional season. Sadly, and believe me I hate this more than most of you, it probably for management is a season where they just want to make the playoffs.
Look I would just prefer to not make the playoffs as opposed to get in the first round, lose in the first round and none of the young players play big roles.
But I know that to the Pacers management this is the gold standard and frankly they have reason to beleive this for financial reasons. Remember they get to share in that playoff money if they get in.
I guess where I really want to go with all of this is this. There is no "one sure way to win a title" in the NBA.
If anything the one sure way you could argue is you have to have one of the 4 best players in the league. Only Detroit really hasn't had that over the past 20 some years.
But even then it's not a sure fire thing.
While Ainge is rightfully getting credit for his moves and it makes his past moves look good, never forget this one thing. If Kevin Garnett was not disgruntled with the Wolves and the Wolves weren't ready to be out of that contract Danny would still be sitting on the same team that is falling apart now up north. Oh he may have added Ray Allen but really would that have mattered?
In other words loading up on draft picks is not a sure fire way to win either, if that were the case the Clippers, Bucks & Hawks would have won titles already.
I think the thing that dissapoints me the most right now is that I think we are seeing regression on the offensive end. I feel like right now we are only ever in a game if we are hitting our jumpers and as anybody knows jump shots are not going to go in even half of the time.
Now if this is coaching or players I am not sure. I don't feel like we are seeing the movement on offense or even the helping with picks and screens on offense like we saw earlier this year.
Jamaal being out obviously hurt that, but I think I started to see that before he left.
On defense I have no idea what we are doing? Look I understand the attempts at trying to draw charges but right now I think we are trying to do that a little to often instead of actually trying do defend the man.
Troy Murphy is a soft defender, there is no arugment about that, however I can't say that any of our starting five are worth a d@mn really on the defensive end. Jermaine is what he always has been, Jamaal gambles more than Art Schlichter, Mike is just blah on defense and Danny is about average for his position.
Foster off of the bench is above average, however unlike everybody else who fawns over him I still point out that his ineptness on the offensive end is no better than Troy's ineptness on the defensive end.
Quis is avg., Kareem is better than I thought he would be but still just avg. at best, Owens for a person who is supposed to be the third string p.g. is actually acceptable, Ike doesn't even try, Harrison is well... hell I don't know. Sometimes he shows that there is the devine spark of life in his eyes and other times he proves that he is nothing more than one of the backup zombie dancers in Michael Jacksons thriller video. Williams I have no real clue on. Diener and Graham are non-factors.
In other words we have a lousy defensive team. But even saying that I will still not contend that defense is our sole problem.
You can NOT go min. after min. in this league without scoring a basket and right now we often have 4-5 min. a quarter where we don't get a field goal and don't get to the line.
Some of it is stupid turnovers, no doubt. However some of it is purely bad shooting and some of it frankly is poor coaching.
Look by no means am I turning on JOB, but right now I don't see any real offense at work here. Sometimes I see what looks like a set play or even crisp ball movement that leads to a good play. But those times are coming fewer and fewer each game.
Sorry gang this really isn't one of my better posts but to be honest with you I am just flabbergasted by how we are losing.
I guess I could take this a little more if we were playing Ike, Danny & Shawn a lot more because at least then I would feel like we were trying to see what we had.
But I question in games like this why J.O., Troy and Jeff play so much.
I'm sure we'll just beat the h@ll out of the Suns tonight.