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    They say and I'd agree that he's a good defender, not in shot blocks or steals, but by contesting position and shots and anticipating moves. So I think he could be sound defensively. What you worry about is guys like JO shooting over him, I suppose. I think Love getting legit 3 point range would really make him valuable in today's NBA.
    Troy Murphy has legit NBA three point range. I don't know much about Love, but after reading this conversation he sounds a lot like a future Troy Murphy: a big guy whose defense is average to suspect who has some range and can take it to the basket if he wants (see end of this year version of Murphy). Is Love=Troy or do you guys think he will be more or less talented?

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    I agree with both of your assessments. Love will contest. The NBA level exploits defenses like Love. Most people he will defend will be able to shoot up and over him. But preventing the post pass is an intangible that Love posses. More athletic players will not be able to turn into him and drive past him as easy as some of you think. Love has quick hands. He slaps as you go up, like Karl Malone did (not saying he is Karl).

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    I think people put a little too much stock in height sometimes. I don't really have an inclination one way or another on the Love debate here, but I just want everyone to remember, 6'4-6" (depending on the source you use he varies 2 inches) PF Charles Barkley would be the best player on our team, easily, probably the second best Pacer ever, and even that would be argued by some people for him being the best.

    The right player is the right player sometimes, height notwithstanding.
    If DJ Augustine was 6' 3" he would be much higher on everyone's draft board also.

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    This is interesting info from Chad Ford.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft...pSummit-080418

    I spoke with a member of the NBA's draft committee, the advisory group that both gives information to underclassmen who are trying to gauge their prospective draft positions and also decides who should and shouldn't be invited to the Orlando pre-draft camp.

    The group is comprised of a number of veteran scouts along with a few representatives from the NBA. They met several weeks ago and compiled a list of potential draft placements for underclassmen. Insider obtained a copy of that list.


    This is the information that college underclassmen, parents and coaches are getting if they call the NBA. The categories are broken into Lottery, Mid-First Round, Late-First Round, and Second Round.


    Prospective Draft Positions for Underclassmen
    LotteryMid-First RoundLate-First RoundSecond Round
    Michael BeasleyKevin LoveMarreese SpeightsTy Lawson
    Derrick RoseDeAndre JordanDarren CollisonBill Walker
    Blake GriffinChase BudingerRobin LopezRichard Hendrix
    Brook LopezDarrell ArthurChris Douglas-RobertsTrent Plaisted
    O.J. MayoDonte GreeneEarl ClarkTyler Smith
    Anthony RandolphJaVale McGeeJ.J. HicksonAndrew Ogilvy
    Eric GordonJoe AlexanderTyler HansbroughRyan Anderson
    Jerryd BaylessKosta Koufos Wayne Ellington
    D.J. AugustinHasheem Thabeet Eric Maynor
    Russell Westbrook
    James Harden


    Not discussed: Brandon Rush and Sam Young
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    Hard telling wether Love will develop Murphy's range or not. He didn't
    show it this year, but did toss in a handful of college 3's. In comparison
    to other aspects of Murphy's game though, Love already has a vastly
    superior post/back to the bucket game. And he also seems to have
    much better playmaking skills as a very instinctive passer.

    There's no doubt that's he gonna struggle with PF's like KG, Sheed,
    Amare, etc. The key is probably that he'll need to play next to a C
    who can defend and board really well (ala a Camby or the like).

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    Troy Murphy has legit NBA three point range. I don't know much about Love, but after reading this conversation he sounds a lot like a future Troy Murphy: a big guy whose defense is average to suspect who has some range and can take it to the basket if he wants (see end of this year version of Murphy). Is Love=Troy or do you guys think he will be more or less talented?
    Love actually shot a better 3pt % this season than Murphy did during any of his college seasons. I think Love will be a better defender than Troy for two reasons: He's stronger and he has better defensive footwork. They have similar athleticism, but Love has better fundamentals. Also, Love actually has a low post game where Troy has none. If you had a SF guard Love in the post, Love would eat him alive. Troy is terrible against smaller defenders.
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    James Harden in the lottery? I haven't seen that anywhere, interesting.

    I also wonder if Augustines stock will continue to drop just because of tangibles and could be had later, that would be a nice coup to acquire a late teen or early 20 and get Augustine and a big at 11.

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    Agreed. Snagging Augie + a young big would be a coup. Much as
    I'd hate to see him go, I'd like to see us use Foster to aquire a
    pick in the mid-upper-teens to facilitate it. I doubt Ike or Quis
    would get it done.

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    Agreed. Snagging Augie + a young big would be a coup. Much as
    I'd hate to see him go, I'd like to see us use Foster to aquire a
    pick in the mid-upper-teens to facilitate it. I doubt Ike or Quis
    would get it done.

    Me too, I'd hate to use Foster, but realistically that is an attractive piece to a contender or someone who thinks they are close. It wouldn't be as bad to me if you can get a Foster type young guy in the second round, even like a Balkman would be great.

    I also agree Quis and Ike probably won't do it, even though they supposedly had a deal for Ike last year in the early to mid 20s with Utah I think or there was also rumors of Houston.

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    Jeff to Phoniex for ATL's pick. I just don't know how they would make the salaries match.

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    Jeff to Phoniex for ATL's pick. I just don't know how they would make the salaries match.
    15 pick, right? That seems you'd have your pick of the BIG projects.

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    James Harden in the lottery? I haven't seen that anywhere, interesting.

    I also wonder if Augustines stock will continue to drop just because of tangibles and could be had later, that would be a nice coup to acquire a late teen or early 20 and get Augustine and a big at 11.
    I don't think that James Harden has declared for the draft. I thought he said that he was going back to school, but I can't find anything on the internet to confirm it either way.

    Westbrooke is tantilizing close to being in our range to draft, but I think he will be gone one or two picks before us.

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    15 pick, right? That seems you'd have your pick of the BIG projects.
    I would rather have Foster then whatever Big Man we can get at the 15th spot.
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    Jeff to Phoniex for ATL's pick. I just don't know how they would make the salaries match.
    The only players that would make it work by themselves are Barbosa or Raja Bell, neither of which the Suns would give up for Jeff Foster.

    That team is getting ancient really fast so barring some sort of shake up where they are able to trade for young talent, I think their pick is more or less untouchable. Foster isn't part of any sort of youth movement they can start down there after this season.

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    Foster can opt-out at this point. Not saying he would, but it's a
    possibility if a new, 3-4 yr deal is part of the situation.

    GS could have some interest in him. Especially if we were willing
    to take Foyle off their hands.

    Jeff for Foyle + #13 ? Just tossing stuff against the wall...

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    Foster can opt-out at this point. Not saying he would, but it's a
    possibility if a new, 3-4 yr deal is part of the situation.

    GS could have some interest in him. Especially if we were willing
    to take Foyle off their hands.

    Jeff for Foyle + #13 ? Just tossing stuff against the wall...

    Foyle now plays for Orlando FYI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajah Brown View Post
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    Foster can opt-out at this point. Not saying he would, but it's a
    possibility if a new, 3-4 yr deal is part of the situation.

    GS could have some interest in him. Especially if we were willing
    to take Foyle off their hands.

    Jeff for Foyle + #13 ? Just tossing stuff against the wall...
    Hoopshype has Foster's contract wrong.......he doesn't have a Player option in the 2008-2009 season. As for what his contract status is for the 2009-2010 season, can someone confirm for me what his contract status is?

    Other then Hoopshype, is there another site that can give a better idea of his ( and other Players ) contract status?
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    Doh ! That's what I get for using Hoopshype as a resource.

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    Foyle now plays for Orlando FYI...
    The only problem with Foyle is that he has ZERO offensive game. He has "hands of Stone" but is a very good defensive, rebounding, shotblocking skills.

    I have no problem with players with ZERO offensive skills but is a very solid defensive player like Foyle cuz he's one of those "Good Sportsmanship / Good for the neighborhood and Community" type players that is good for PR reasons....but I got a feeling that JO'B wouldn't play him that much cuz he's a offensive liability.
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    Jeff to Phoniex for ATL's pick. I just don't know how they would make the salaries match.
    i was proposing this prior to the shaq trade...imo phx should have gone after foster before o'neal. with jeff, phx retains marion and would have had a much better shot at advancing. jeff provides=rebounding, if not better, = if not better defense, and comes much cheaper...not sure they'd go after jeff now, but that trade should have gone through a couple months ago...

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    Foster can opt-out at this point. Not saying he would, but it's a
    possibility if a new, 3-4 yr deal is part of the situation.

    GS could have some interest in him. Especially if we were willing
    to take Foyle off their hands.

    Jeff for Foyle + #13 ? Just tossing stuff against the wall...

    Foster cannot opt out. He does not have an option for the final year of his contract. Hoopshype has this wrong, but most other sites, including Shamsports has it correct. Andrew Perna also confirmed this through his sources with the Pacers.

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    D.J. Augustin Leaving Texas For NBA

    From Realgm.com

    I know everyone thinks he would be a bad pick for us but I just really feel this is the best way to go if they think 11 is to high we need to trade down or acquire another pick in the first round. Other than nbadraft.net everyone has him going to us. I just hope we make it happen unless someone falls to us.

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    Almost everyone seems to think we'll take him, but I can't remember the last time a mock draft accurately predicted who the Pacers selected.

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    Foster can opt-out at this point. Not saying he would, but it's a
    possibility if a new, 3-4 yr deal is part of the situation.

    GS could have some interest in him. Especially if we were willing
    to take Foyle off their hands.

    Jeff for Foyle + #13 ? Just tossing stuff against the wall...
    3 reasons this can't happen.

    The Warriors bought out Foyle and he plays for Orlando. A contract that's been bought out can no longer be traded.

    The Warriors have the #14 pick, not #13.

    What Foster does is duplicated by Biedrins. Biedrins will play 30 mins a night (and more when Nellie eventually retires) and you simply can't play two non-scoring threats like Biedrins and Foster at the same time. Just way too easy to defend for the opposing team.

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    3 reasons this can't happen.

    The Warriors bought out Foyle and he plays for Orlando. A contract that's been bought out can no longer be traded.

    The Warriors have the #14 pick, not #13.

    What Foster does is duplicated by Biedrins. Biedrins will play 30 mins a night (and more when Nellie eventually retires) and you simply can't play two non-scoring threats like Biedrins and Foster at the same time. Just way too easy to defend for the opposing team.
    Minor thing....but Foster does not equal Biedrins.

    Biedrins is a decent Shotblocker and has a WAY BETTER offensive game and one of the better Finishers near the basket on that team along with Monte.

    Both offer different facets to the game where Foster can probably better defend Big Men ( cuz of his frame ) and is a better Offensive Rebounder whereas Biedrins blocks a few more shots and can offer more on the offensive end.

    Regardless, Foster would fit real well in Nellie's offense ( assuming that he's still there next season ) as a Rotational Big Man playing behind Biedrins and next to Wright.
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