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  • #16
    Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

    We've got a long ways to go. Who knows what IU and USC will do in the tournament to help sway GM's. I also think a lot will depend on pre-draft measurements. I can't believe ESPN just listed Gordon at 6'5". I've now seen him at everything between 6'2" and 6'5". He looks to be about 6'3", tops, to me. That could definitely cause him to slip out of the top-4.

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    • #17
      Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

      Patrick Mills, ftw.

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      • #18
        Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

        The few games I've seen him play, I've been very impressed with Donte Green.
        The eyes of the Granger are upon you.

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        • #19
          Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

          I love the Bayless kid out at Arizona. And assuming he comes
          out, he'll probably go in the 8-12 range somewhere making
          him a lot more reasonable possibility if the Pacers can somehow
          get their mitts on a mid-Lottery pick.

          Unfortunately, EJ will likely go too early for the Pacers to have
          a shot. And Rose will be gone before EJ.

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          • #20
            Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

            I feel so sorry for whatever team gets stuck with Mayo. He's basically Stephon Marbury reincarnated. He'll put up great numbers, I have no doubt, but he will NEVER make a team better.

            Not comparing Gordan to Reggie so to say but I really think that both of them make their teams better. It comes down to whether you'd have a potential Reggie or a potential Marbury. I think every NBA GM would take Reggie every time, yet some idiot is still going to draft Mayo with like the second pick.

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            • #21
              Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

              Originally posted by Reckoner View Post
              Patrick Mills, ftw.
              Yea, representing the Aussies on this board.

              Mills and Joe Ingles will both be NBA players.

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              • #22
                Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                Even if Gordon leads IU to the ncaa championship he won't get drafted over Mayo.

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                • #23
                  Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                  Originally posted by LouisvilleLip View Post
                  Even if Gordon leads IU to the ncaa championship he won't get drafted over Mayo.
                  Hahaha!

                  If you can tell the future, give us all some good lottery numbers. And while you are at it tell us if the Colts are going to repeat. Oh, something else, are the Pacers going to make a trade?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                    Having any success in terms of wins in the ncaa is very overrated these days. It all comes down to workouts and potential.

                    All I know is Oj Mayo is a phenom with the nba body/athlete with ridiculous potential. He would have been a top 3 pick out of highschool. Nobody is going to pass him up and take Gordon.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                      Originally posted by LouisvilleLip View Post
                      It all comes down to workouts and potential.
                      Nobody is going to pass him up and take Gordon.
                      NOBODY knows what will happen in a workout. As for potential, Ford says MOST NBA scouts have Gordon in front of Mayo. And as for someone passing Mayo to take Gordon, Jordan got passed proving anyone can get passed.
                      Last edited by Will Galen; 01-06-2008, 08:05 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                        I've been specifically paying attention to top players this year for this reason. We had this going in another thread in fact if someone wants to dig the info out of that one too.

                        Right now the only player I feel really good about is Mayo. He's ready. I've only seen Gordon once myself and while I like him I'd like to see more and better.

                        Rose has the athletic talent but when I've seen him he's looked REALLY raw. That TEAM is strong, but he has not stood out just yet.


                        To me Chase Buddinger has a whole lot of Croshere to his game. He's a solid playmaker and can shoot, but he's not a take over type of guy that you'd take top 10 and he really doesn't solve the Pacers issues. They have Dunleavy already.

                        AZ other star, Bayless, was hurt when I last watched them. He had an injury in HS too according to draft.net.

                        Roy Hibbert
                        gives you character since he chose to stay in school. That also means extra time on fundamentals. But the odd thing with him is that his game has slipped a bit and is rather underwhelming to me. But then again it reminds me of how Brad Miller finished up at Purdue, and he went on to be an all-star.

                        Kevin Love is damn impressive. Now he's no athlete and perhaps a bit undersized in a Sean May way. He won't tear up the low post in the NBA, at least not as is. BUT, he's a worker on the boards, modestly crafty, and by far the best outlet passer in the draft. In fact even in the half court he makes strong, long skip passes. He can find guys and get them the ball safely.

                        Love's teammate Collison...underwhelming. Haven't seen the vision from him in the few games I've watched. Gets himself into tough spots to pass from ala Fred Jones. Just not as ready as you'd like, and could never really click above modest backup. If a guy like Love is on the board I'd take him instead, in spite of "need".

                        I have to watch again because I wasn't looking for him specifically at the time, but I think it was Chalmers at Kansas that was really impressive the other day (had a good box, but I need to watch to be sure). Both he and Rush are interesting, and that team as a whole plays solid ball. Neither have declared that I know of but I would think either of them could after a title run.

                        For the same reason I think Douglas-Roberts and Dorsey at Memphis could also become interesting options. Like Kansas they win with quality all-around play and have several good athletes. I almost think Rose should stay more than some of these other players.

                        Any reason why Draft.net has Clark (Louisville) moved to 2009? Has he said he is staying next year, or just uncertain?

                        They moved Koufos (Ohio St) to 2009 but if you've seen him play you can see why. Not ready at least so far this year.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                          Originally posted by Tyrion View Post
                          With a second round pick, I would love to see us draft Mike Green as a back-up pg. I realize this is a homer pick, but I think that he is going to be a solid NBA player...maybe never a starter, but he would be a humongous upgrade over our current backups. Regardless of whether we get a new starter in the draft, we need multiple pgs.

                          ++++++++++++++++++++++++


                          Homer pick or not I believe he would be a solid second round pick.
                          {o,o}
                          |)__)
                          -"-"-

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                          • #28
                            Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                            Let's get the Rush brothers together.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                              Here's your chance to sincerely moan and cheer during the draft for a change. Games on TV

                              Note to watch -

                              1-12 ESPN has Georgetown (Hibbert) vs UConn (Thabeat)

                              1-17 Fox Sports Net has Stanford (Lopez) vs AZ (Bayless/Budinger)

                              1-19 has several matchup games:
                              Kansas St (Beasley) vs Texas A&M (Jordan) on ESPN
                              USC (Mayo) vs UCLA (Love-Collison) on CBS
                              Tenn (T Smith) vs Ohio St (Koufos) on CBS

                              1-21 features Georgetown (Hibbert) vs Syracuse (Greene)


                              Upcoming TV games for some players via ESPN schedule:

                              IU-Gordon and White
                              1-8 ESPN
                              1-13 CBS
                              1-17 ESPN

                              Memphis - Rose - Douglas-Roberts - Dorsey
                              none in the next 10 days

                              Louisville - Clark (2009 pick now)
                              1-10 ESPN
                              1-17 ESPN

                              USC - Mayo and Jefferson
                              1-10 FSN
                              1-19 CBS

                              AZ - Budinger and Bayless
                              1-12 ESPN2
                              1-17 Fox Sports Net

                              UCLA - Love and Collison
                              1-19 CBS

                              Georgetown - Hibbert
                              1-12 ESPN
                              1-14 ESPN
                              1-21 ESPN

                              OK - Griffin
                              1-14 ESPN

                              Syracuse - Greene
                              1-19 ESPN
                              1-21 ESPN

                              Texas A&M - Jordan
                              1-16 ESPN2
                              1-19 ESPN

                              Kansas St - Beasley
                              1-19 ESPN

                              Tenn - Smith
                              1-17 ESPN2
                              1-19 CBS

                              Stanford - Lopez
                              1-13 CBS
                              1-17 FSN

                              UConn - Thabeat
                              1-12 ESPN

                              Ohio St - Koufos
                              1-15 ESPN
                              1-19 CBS


                              Note that I don't have Kansas listed at all here, though I did mention them as a team to watch. This is just basically the guys at the top of Draft.net and they only have the unimpressive Kaun listed in the 2008 draft right now. Of course you'll get your fill of both Kansas and Memphis during the NCAA tourney.
                              Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 01-11-2008, 12:08 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                                I normally don't go along with homer crap, actually I'm anti-homer and like to draft out of town players.

                                But our attendance is terrible, and the fact that this sad reality coincides with a potential superstar coming out of IU this year gives TPTB an opportunity that they need to harness. I'd trade anyone on our team for Gordon.

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