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    i think we ought to start doing a sean singletary watch since i personally would prefer him in the 2nd round over augustin or collison in the 1st lol...tonight he put up 21pts 6asts 7stls in a 78-60 uva win over ncst...

    2 others we could probably do one on are jamont gordon of miss st and brian roberts of dayton...both players who seem to be at least of equal quality in my eyes to collison and augustin...
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    I'm begining to grow on the idea of taking Hasheem Thabeet if he's available. His upside is just so huge, an athletic 7'3" 270 lb. shot blocking machine. I'm also impressed by how his offense has improved since last season. There should be interesting point guard prospects available in the 2nd, or we could always try and move up into the mid-1st and take our picking of whoever's available then.

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    i think we ought to start doing a sean singletary watch since i personally would prefer him in the 2nd round over augustin or collison in the 1st lol...tonight he put up 21pts 6asts 7stls in a 78-60 uva win over ncst...

    2 others we could probably do one on are jamont gordon of miss st and brian roberts of dayton...both players who seem to be at least of equal quality in my eyes to collison and augustin...

    Is Gordon a point guard? ESPN has him listed as G/F.

    I do know they're both turning the ball over like crazy which would scare me away from them.

    I'd like to see us get up into the mid-teens to mid-20's and take one of the better NBA prospects. Maybe Ike and our 2nd could get us somewhere in there?

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    I'm begining to grow on the idea of taking Hasheem Thabeet if he's available. His upside is just so huge, an athletic 7'3" 270 lb. shot blocking machine. I'm also impressed by how his offense has improved since last season. There should be interesting point guard prospects available in the 2nd, or we could always try and move up into the mid-1st and take our picking of whoever's available then.
    Yeah, he's definitely improved over the course of the season. My eye was on Hibbert (who I'd still take, but not over Thabeet at this point) before I saw enough of Thabeet to know that the dude has potential. However, he does need work on his post game and passing game before he can get to that next level. With his work ethic though, I think he has the ability to get there.

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    I'm beginning to agree with Seth....I think that with all the hype around his "potential" growing.....Thabeet won't be on the board after the 6th pick.
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    There was a defensive raw specialist at Wake Forest. He was a sophomore and he was exciting to watch. His progression was rapid and people knew who he was by the end of his junior year. Duncan had that something special. Thabeet still looks lost of defense. He is constantly out of position for rebounds because his determination to get after the block. I really do not see Thabeet more than a Ratliff. Maybe a Ratliff that remains healthy. I don't think he will get a offensive nit-ch to his game. He and Hibbert will most likely be solid contributors, but nothing to TANK over. Unless Thabeet has a great tourney I don't see him cracking the top 8. I would not be surprised if Hibbert has a better tourney because of his experience. That is why I we would see a team like the New Jersey or Miami (if they play slightly better) pick him over Thabeet.

    Love impressed me against Oregon. He may not have had an ideal game, but he was productive. He is the type of player that makes players around him better. A Sabonis factor so to speak.

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    I'm beginning to agree with Seth....I think that with all the hype around his "potential" growing.....Thabeet won't be on the board after the 6th pick.
    I've been thinking the same thing for a while. A guy with his size, athleticism, youth, and defensive abilities is a combination too promising to pass up on. With how a guy like Andrew Bynum was slept on, I could see a team not wanting to make the same mistake twice and end up taking him as high as the top-5.

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    There was a defensive raw specialist at Wake Forest. He was a sophomore and he was exciting to watch. His progression was rapid and people knew who he was by the end of his junior year. Duncan had that something special. Thabeet still looks lost of defense. He is constantly out of position for rebounds because his determination to get after the block. I really do not see Thabeet more than a Ratliff. Maybe a Ratliff that remains healthy. I don't think he will get a offensive nit-ch to his game. He and Hibbert will most likely be solid contributors, but nothing to TANK over. Unless Thabeet has a great tourney I don't see him cracking the top 8. I would not be surprised if Hibbert has a better tourney because of his experience. That is why I we would see a team like the New Jersey or Miami (if they play slightly better) pick him over Thabeet.

    Love impressed me against Oregon. He may not have had an ideal game, but he was productive. He is the type of player that makes players around him better. A Sabonis factor so to speak.
    You have to consider the huge size differential. Theo is 6'10" 235, Hasheem is 7'3" 260, with room to grow. That makes a world of difference. If you take Theo's ability and put it in that huge of a frame, you could be looking at another Dikembe Mutombo. Maybe not an elite center, but a guy one notch below it. I'm not saying Thabeet will reach that level, he's a gamble like every other young player, but the possibility sure is enticing.

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    Here's Thabeet's sophomore production (top) compared to Ratliff's sophomore production...



    Thabeet is better pretty much across the board. And Thabeet is doing it in the tough as nails Big East, whereas Ratliff played at Wyoming, in the then Western Athletic Conference (WAC) with teams like BYU, San Diego State, Air Force etc. And of course, the huge size differential which mentioned earlier.

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    In case you hadn't trusted my comments on Bill Walker and his attitude, they mentioned it in during the game last night. You know the game, the one where Walker went 0-14 and K St lost a critical home game to Texas.

    In other news, bring in Augustin (still), looks to at least be a Ford type of PG.


    Croz, as I mentioned before, the Big 12 and Big East appear more competive than the ACC. I agree that perhaps Collison is overrated even though he's in perhaps the best conference of all, but it's still a huge risk to chase Singletary with some of these other PGs on the board. Heck, if Chalmers comes out and is on the board you take him before Singletary too.

    We won't even get to see Singletary in the tourney because despite a semi-weak ACC VA is well under .500.

    Love impressed me against Oregon. He may not have had an ideal game, but he was productive. He is the type of player that makes players around him better. A Sabonis factor so to speak.
    That's a big factor with him. This is what I like about both him and Brandon Rush. You can see them read the court away from the ball. High IQ guys that get the most out of their talent and have enough to impact the game. Love isn't going to lead the team to the title but he's going to make both your offensive and defensive system run like a top.

    Love has hinted that he would strongly consider staying another season at UCLA. I kinda wish he would so the Pacers could get a top PG/SG this year and then get him next year perhaps.


    Thabeet probably is about Ratliff or so. That's fine with me if you get him at 8-10. That's a guy that impacts the game at an NBA level in two areas (shot block, rebound).
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    Thabeet's upside if far higher than Theo Ratliff. We're talking undersized 6'10" 235 lb center vs enormous 7'3" 265 lb center. I'd also wager Thabeet's offense will end up superior to Ratliff's.

    Best Case: Dikembe Mutombo
    Worst Case: Desagana Diop
    Median: Samuel Dalembert

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    Thabeet's upside if far higher than Theo Ratliff. We're talking undersized 6'10" 235 lb center vs enormous 7'3" 265 lb center. I'd also wager Thabeet's offense will end up superior to Ratliff's.

    Best Case: Dikembe Mutombo
    Worst Case: Desagana Diop
    Median: Samuel Dalembert


    That is exactly what this team needs. Some interior shot blocking and toughness that will make people think twice about coming into the lane..

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    Anyone like Erica Maynor?

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    Sene anyone? Petro? I just don't want to throw this pick on just potential. I can see him becoming a Dalembert, but he could end up like a Lauderdale (the Shaq stopper). Size is not the only thing. And we all know that atheleticism can waver (JO is 29 right?). Look I see his upside, but what I see now is a player that is still green even in his most touted area of expertise.

    I am with you Seth, IQ can mask other deficiencies (sp). Dunleavy might even be out of the league if it weren't for his know-how. If I want raw I want Ibaka late in the first and get a proven guard with our pick.

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    Sene anyone? Petro? I just don't want to throw this pick on just potential. I can see him becoming a Dalembert, but he could end up like a Lauderdale (the Shaq stopper). Size is not the only thing. And we all know that atheleticism can waver (JO is 29 right?). Look I see his upside, but what I see now is a player that is still green even in his most touted area of expertise.

    I am with you Seth, IQ can mask other deficiencies (sp). Dunleavy might even be out of the league if it weren't for his know-how. If I want raw I want Ibaka late in the first and get a proven guard with our pick.
    I don't mind high Basketball IQ......but can't something be said for having a high Basketball IQ player that is limited by his physical skills and ability?

    It's good that Dunleavy and ( to a certain extent ) Murphy can understand how JO'Bs defensive system because of their high basketball IQ.....but that high basketball IQ isn't going to help them when he is guarding a far quicker, more skilled and athletic player.

    If a player like Love is the best Big Man if not player that we can choose at whatever spot we are drafting...then I have no problem with drafting him. But if there was some player that could really help us in one of the many areas of help that we need ( like some "both ends of the court" PG or SG )....I would much rather choose the player that can help us at both ends of the court then Love ( assuming that this player isn't the dumbest player on the court ).

    I'm not saying that we should choose super athletic, skilled players that is as dumb as a rock over high basketball IQ players....but I don't think it's a good idea to place a higher premium on players with high basketball IQ that aren't as athletic ( or quick ) over a player that has the necessary skills that we need to fill a clear weakness in our overall game. To me....there is a reason why Dunleavy isn't our best long-term option as the Starting SG...it's because he gets burned by far quicker and more athletic SGs.

    I understand that having a high basketball IQ for a player can help any player better fit into JO'Bs system.....but if the player doesn't have the necessary skills nor physical attribute to properly implement that system....what good is that?
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    Love has hinted that he would strongly consider staying another season at UCLA. I kinda wish he would so the Pacers could get a top PG/SG this year and then get him next year perhaps.
    I think he'll stay at least one more season. I highly doubt money's an issue for him, which is the main reason most young guys come out early. I bet he stays at least 2 seasons, maybe even more.

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    My perfect draft would be to pick up three great defensive players.

    First Pick: Thabeet
    Trade into the Late Lottery: Darren Collison
    Second Round: Marcus Dove

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    Yeah, Love basically said that didn't he..."the family has money, I don't need to go chase a contract, I can play here if it's what I'm enjoying". Ironically all the more reason you'd like him to come out and get drafted by Indy.

    We'll see, some kids like this do stay, others have a change of heart. Hibbert, Noah, Duncan are all guys that came back another year as examples.

    Cable, if you haven't seen Love play much I think you need to take a look. He's not just smart as in structure, he's smart as in reading the floor on the fly. It's not so much about learning systems, it's about seeing what to do before everyone else when it gets crazy.

    On top of that he's crafty. He's not a lug that gets by running the system. To me that seems more like Hansbrough.


    Dove - good kid, pretty solid, but seems redundant with this roster. And while he's the man with his team, he's struggled to stay out of foul trouble in some pretty big games. Someone will get him in round 2 and he just might surprise people a bit ala Carl Landry, but I think the Pacers can do better with a high 2nd round pick.


    You know if Indy ends up slotted around 10 some of these choices will be made for them, but it's still going to be a really tough spot to make a choice. They probably are going to have to make a guard/big choice where either has the chance to impact the team.

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    Dove - good kid, pretty solid, but seems redundant with this roster. And while he's the man with his team, he's struggled to stay out of foul trouble in some pretty big games. Someone will get him in round 2 and he just might surprise people a bit ala Carl Landry, but I think the Pacers can do better with a high 2nd round pick.

    Dove would be there for shut down perimeter defense not because we need another sf. This kid has the physical tools to be an elite defender at the next level- he has been one of the best defenders, if not THE best defender in the country for the past 2-3 years. If we get three solid defenders in this draft we'll be in great position. Pair Ike or Murphy next to Thabeet and suddendly their defense doesn't look so bad. Thabeet takes up so much space that we could play a 4 out 1 in style that JOB likes to run. Collison would complement what Diener brings and we could use Dove to guard the McGradys, James, and Wades of the league.

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    Didn't think it warranted a new thread, but the newly christened #1 Tennessee is about to get knocked off by Vanderbilt.

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    Didn't think it warranted a new thread, but the newly christened #1 Tennessee is about to get knocked off by Vanderbilt.
    Yeah,

    UT took some awful shots and couldn't finish at the rim.

    Always nice to shoot 30% from the field too...

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    Dove - good kid, pretty solid, but seems redundant with this roster. And while he's the man with his team, he's struggled to stay out of foul trouble in some pretty big games. Someone will get him in round 2 and he just might surprise people a bit ala Carl Landry, but I think the Pacers can do better with a high 2nd round pick.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the Pistons draft him in the 2nd round. They always seem to draft top-notch defensive players every season.
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    Dove would be there for shut down perimeter defense not because we need another sf. This kid has the physical tools to be an elite defender at the next level- he has been one of the best defenders, if not THE best defender in the country for the past 2-3 years. If we get three solid defenders in this draft we'll be in great position. Pair Ike or Murphy next to Thabeet and suddendly their defense doesn't look so bad. Thabeet takes up so much space that we could play a 4 out 1 in style that JOB likes to run. Collison would complement what Diener brings and we could use Dove to guard the McGradys, James, and Wades of the league.
    I would be giddy but utterly stunned if we did the right thing and actually drafted some defensive minded players.
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    I think Gordon's stock is slipping and we are moving up in the draft. We might actually have a realistic shot at getting him.

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