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  • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

    With all these upsets in the NCAA tournament....I can see alot of top prospects slip a few spots with some GM taking a risk on some Players that shine in the Tournament. Thabeet has dropped a few spots due to his lackluster performance whereas players like Robin Lopez and Joe Alexander have popped up out of nowhere.

    I think that there may even be some decent prospects that drop to the 2nd round.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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    • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
      Didn't really watch him. I've heard you or others mention him a bit.

      Contrary to all my posting (which is standard for me), I certainly don't have a line on every guy. I'm in here for the same reason you are, to find out about guys and get pointed in the right direction. I'll take this question as "hey, maybe get your head out of your rear and go YouTube him".

      Too late to see them live now. Maybe ESPN has a game or two still available? I'll have to see.



      BTW, teams still in play besides Final Fours: NIT has FLA, Ohio St, U Miss and U Mass. CBI has: Bradley vs Tulsa, 3 game champ series.

      Anyone to really look at in that mix?
      Marreese Speights, PF/C, Florida

      #13 in 2008, ESPN
      #21 in 2008, NBADraft.net
      #4 in 2009, Draft Express

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      • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

        Kofi is right on about Speights. I have only seen one game. He is intriging. He played well for most of the season but since the Gators failed to make the tourney his exposure has limited his draft status. Have not followed him in the tourney. But his number look good:

        14 pts (6 0f 9) 10 reb in 30 min against ASU

        He played very well behind Noah, Horford, and Richard. Many expected him to be the number one prospect in the SEC. But when Florida struggled, so did people's perception of Marrese.

        I think he will be an excellent prospect. I would rather see TPTP to gamble on this guy rather than Westbrook, Thabeet, or Jordan. His TO ratio went down from his freshman year even with more minutes played. I think if is staying for one more year.

        This years numbers
        24.5 Mins
        14.5 PPG
        63% FG
        70% FT
        7.8 RPG
        1.4 BPG

        I think one more year playing at 30 mpg would raise his draft stock. He is a PF all the way 6'10" 245. Right now I see him being the dark horse if he declares.

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        • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

          At the risk of blasphmening?, I'm sorry, but the more I see of Kevin Love the more I see (gulp) Larry Bird. There, I said it. The same size, same athleticism, same court awareness, same passing skill, not quite the same shooting skill (but who else does?). This guy is a stud. He's proven himself against all comers in the best conference and the pressure of the tournament. Was Bird this good as a freshman? I think Seth nailed it when he pointed out that Love has great skills (scoops, head fakes, positioning) that don't require someone who can jump through the roof. Remember, there's loads and loads of tremendous athletes who don't have a clue how to play basketball. At this point it's looking like our #10 pick may very well come down to Love vs. Augustin. Methinks we couldn't go wrong with either one.

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          • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

            Just for fun I'll toss this out. What if Memphis ends up with
            #1 or #2 and, with the intention of taking Rose, puts Conley
            on the trading block ? If the Pacers pick at #9-12 would get
            it done, would you do it ?

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            • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

              RG-

              Granted, he's just a young kid, but I'm not sure Love has quite
              the agility that Bird had. I haven't seen alot of UCLA, but I've
              seen some of 4-5 games and I don't recall seeing Love show
              the kind of passing ability on the move, at close to full speed,
              that Bird had.

              No question though, his 'feel' for the game is Bird-esque.

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              • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                Thanks Kofi, seriously. It's more fun getting along. IMO there is just no way to keep track of all these guys.
                Gotta figure this factors into into whether he comes out or not.
                #21 in 2008, NBADraft.net
                #4 in 2009, Draft Express
                You know back to Love, but actually in a bigger sense. He's getting tons of praise and his stock is up. So is the stock of lots of other guys.

                So here comes some top 15 picks and you know these guys are going to make that list...but you also know that 6-7 just aren't going to pan out.

                Unless GMs just totally blow it on guys I like, I'm 100% going to be wrong on at least 5-6 of these top players. So are the rest of us. How can that be?

                I mean I get that Love isn't super athlete, that Augustin isn't Paul or that Rose has some rough spots to iron out. But damn, if they flop it's still going to be a "what happened" for a lot of people.

                I try to look at guys like that, in that view that I know he is going to bust and think about what it was that we all should have seen, but even then it's tough to see.

                Of course if you figure that out then you are getting a call from a team owner about a scouting job, hopefully you hold out for a job with the Pacers.


                Also agree that Love is no in motion passer. He's also not your go-to scorer. Way back a month or two ago my first impressions posted was that he is most like KEVIN MCHALE. McHale was not the athlete that Bird even was, he just gimmicked his way into things with little gym moves like up and unders, crap like that. Stuff that you at first dismiss, but then night after night it's getting points, getting stats and helping you win and you think "how the F did that happen".

                But even if they did get Love and he did pan out to be what you might expect, they are still badly going to also need a Rose/Bayless type, and a shooter too. This sure doesn't seem like the last draft we are going to have to watch closely.
                Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 03-28-2008, 06:46 PM.

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                • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                  Originally posted by Rajah Brown View Post
                  Just for fun I'll toss this out. What if Memphis ends up with
                  #1 or #2 and, with the intention of taking Rose, puts Conley
                  on the trading block ? If the Pacers pick at #9-12 would get
                  it done, would you do it ?
                  Memphis is pretty content with Conley from what I've read. I think they would either go with Beasley at one or maybe even reach and take Brook Lopez at two. Plus they could always trade the pick.


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                  • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                    Originally posted by Rajah Brown View Post
                    Speed-

                    Dorsey is an interesting kid. When he shows up, he's a beast
                    inside. But to call him a head case doesn't do justice to the
                    term. His reputation for moodiness both on and off the court
                    (he's started at least one brawl in a Memphis nightclub) is
                    well established.

                    Given recent history, I doubt LB would touch him w/ a 10-foot
                    pole.
                    Keep in mind also that Dorsey will be 25 years old by the time the next all-star break roles around. He's already been physically mature for awhile and he's just been bullying around less developed guys for years now.

                    He's a big body and that's about it. Not really highly skilled and given his age, he's sort of close to his ceiling already. Somebody will probably spend a 2nd round pick on him.

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                    • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                      After watching Stephen Curry he is a star. He is a shorter version of Reggie.
                      Can pass on the fast break and score from anywhere. The question at 6'3"
                      is can he be a SG or does he have PG skills

                      Augustin looks very good also. Powerful and with good court awareness.

                      That leaves Love and Thabeet.

                      Thabeet, Love and Augustin or Curry!!!

                      Get it done Bird.
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                      • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                        Originally posted by RomanGabriel View Post
                        At the risk of blasphmening?, I'm sorry, but the more I see of Kevin Love the more I see (gulp) Larry Bird. There, I said it. The same size, same athleticism, same court awareness, same passing skill...
                        The same skin color...

                        Why does every white guy get compared to Larry Bird?

                        Larry was one of the 2 best guys in college ball when he came out. Love is nowhere near that.
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                        • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                          Originally posted by owl View Post
                          After watching Stephen Curry he is a star. He is a shorter version of Reggie.
                          Can pass on the fast break and score from anywhere. The question at 6'3"
                          is can he be a SG or does he have PG skills

                          Augustin looks very good also. Powerful and with good court awareness.

                          That leaves Love and Thabeet.

                          Thabeet, Love and Augustin or Curry!!!

                          Get it done Bird.

                          nbadraft.net has curry listed at 6' 1" not 6' 3"

                          http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/prof...phencurry.html

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                          • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                            The same skin color...

                            Why does every white guy get compared to Larry Bird?
                            Because it's just not as cool to get compared to the Jeff Hornaceks and Kiki Vandeweghes of the world.

                            Barkley addressed the same issue once on TNT. He asked the exact same question: Why does every white guy (Laettner, Gugliotta, Van Horn, Dunleavy) get compared to Larry Bird? He said that the only thing Bird and Laettner had in comman was that they were both white. That's it.

                            Love is nice prospect and I think he'll do well in the NBA. His shooting, rebounding, passing and court vision are all very good but nowhere near as good as Bird's.

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                            • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                              Originally posted by owl View Post
                              After watching Stephen Curry he is a star.
                              He's definitely a star in college, yes. In the NBA, he's probably a 7th/8th man but he'll have a place in the league.

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                              • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                                Originally posted by esabyrn333 View Post
                                nbadraft.net has curry listed at 6' 1" not 6' 3"

                                http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/prof...phencurry.html

                                The Davidson site has him listed at 6'3". He looks to be that tall.

                                The guy could play point I believe.

                                I would look real hard at him.
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