Augustin leaves you with defensive issues. Augustin has shown a bad knack for calling his own number, usually on a pull up jumper.
Collison also calls his own number too much, typically after overdribbling the clock away and then driving to the hole. However he is a pretty feisty defender, but prone to gamble (ie, Armstrong on defense).
Tough call there. As stated endlessly by me I have zero faith in Westbrook as a true PG. He is an energy guy and I do agree he's one of the elite athletes in the draft. He'll defend, he will get tons of loose balls and scrap rebounds, and he will drive to the hole for his own score. But stopped in a half court set he's yet to show the awareness to space the floor for a play (other than feeding the post, and even then he doesn't move well to adjust the feed lane). If he had the outside shot then you could bring him in for the 2, but he hasn't shown that yet. He seems certain to stick in the NBA and if the Pacers didn't have Dun/Granger then I could see it a lot more.
BTW, looking at the RealGM mock Jose just posted in another thread, you can see just how insanely open this draft remains. And when you look at the mocks from mid-Jan to now it's even crazier.
Guys like Greene are way out, Budinger of course has fallen. Spreights in the top 10? Arthur over Love?
From mock to mock Augustin will go from 10th to 25th it seems. Rush, Chalmers, CDR all have big swings.
Frankly no one seems in agreement past the first 5-6. Even Mayo sees fluctuation, though I think his defense has earned him a top 6 slot when the draft finally hits.
Just wait till the camps and pro-days. "Oh, Billy Bob can only jump 2, he'll stink, but Billy Joe benched 34 reps, he's a sure thing".
Crossing my fingers that Bird and Co. are up to the task of sorting out this mess. Even the trade possibilities discussed here show how difficult some moves are going to be, though clearly opportunities are out there for the smart GM to find.
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If we can move up only two spots to nab EJ, we must do it.
Any ideas what that would cost us? Ike and the #11?
I mean people thought Mayo would have no interest in defense and it was his biggest area of pride. People thougth Hibbert would really shine with that extra year. People thought EJ would be this great all-around guard with killer PG potential.
I would call this draft above average if everyone not declared does come out. Looks like you could get 15-20 solid rotation guys out of this, and possibly 2 legit superstars. It's not 1996 but it appears better than perhaps 1998 to 2000.
One thing about this year is that a lot of these picks faced each other, so you have a sense of what you are getting. We saw Rose vs Mayo, Collison, Augustin, Westbrook, we saw CDR vs Rush, we saw Lee vs Westbrook, we saw Love vs Lopez, Dorsey, and so on. A lot of these were in conference or NCAA tourney games.
So often you have several picks that just haven't played anyone, and the ones that have been steady but not spectacular (think Cleeves for example).
Didn't Minny just use (or waste) a top-10 pick on Corey Brewer
last year ? Why would they trade for another young SF ?
Is Foye playing PG exclusively up there this year ?
minny would want a young big next to Al more than anything else....
But a Williams may interest them..
They have the Telfair/Jaric/Foye show going on and McCants has been getting time at SG.
Yes, they have Brewer, who I've read in reviews is getting much better as the season is going on and a very good defender.
Seem they would need an improvement at SG and PF or C, depending on what they consider Jefferson to be.
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Foye has had some problems with injury this year I believe.
Although I must admit, I like him more than the other prospects the Pacers could be looking at. If the Timberwolves were willing to swap Foye for our pick I would probably be for it. Which if they get Rose I can see them willing to do that if they have their sights set on one of the bigs in this draft.
Some players the Pacers could look to trade the pick for...
Rashard McCants, I think the Timberwolves might rather move McCants then Foye.
Ben Gordon. I would LOVE to have Ben Gordon on this team. Love it. I think we would owe the Bulls more than our pick. Would be very difficult to get Ben since he will be a free agent I think.
This is all assuming we pick around the 10-12 range. I just don't like any one prospect enough. The bigs are unproven and DJ is really small would not improve our defense. I don't see a lot of opitions though as far as trading the pick, at least not good opitions. Way to early though I guess.
"Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
(Watching You Like A Hawk!)
Why trade the pick for Ben Gordon when we may be able to trade up a couple spots and draft Eric Gordon?
If Larry really wanted Ben so badly, he'd probably be chomping at the bit to draft Eric, a player in the same mold with a higher ceiling.
I could see Bird wanting Ben. As someone said he was pretty high on him in 2004 when Ben was drafted (or I think that was the year atleast.) Ben is the proven player and if Bird wants to win now I can see him wanting him over say Eric Gordon.
Ben = season tested, proven commodity
Eric = unproven college freshman
"Sometimes, when you look Andy in the eyes, you get a feeling somebody else is driving." -- David Letterman
Eric = has the potential to be a superstar
Ben = will never be a superstar
Eric is also a local product that could put some butts in seats.
Anybody seen a lot of the Weaver guys from Washington State? Mentally tough and strong perimeter defense in a combo guard?
Sounds like something we could use by somehow acquiring a late first. I've seen very little of him though so I'm interested to see if anybody feels they can assess the assessment.
I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
Pacers are on the clock and if you had to choose between Speights, CDR, or Arthur, who would you choose?
(I'm assuming that we've the 12th pick and guys like Westbrook and EJ are gone.)
Which do you think is most likely not to be available at #12?