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    Because it's just not as cool to get compared to the Jeff Hornaceks and Kiki Vandeweghes of the world.

    Barkley addressed the same issue once on TNT. He asked the exact same question: Why does every white guy (Laettner, Gugliotta, Van Horn, Dunleavy) get compared to Larry Bird? He said that the only thing Bird and Laettner had in comman was that they were both white. That's it.

    Love is nice prospect and I think he'll do well in the NBA. His shooting, rebounding, passing and court vision are all very good but nowhere near as good as Bird's.

    kevin love is a PF though, bird was a SF which probably explains why bird is better at those three. i'd say kevin love is more like mchale like Seth said

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    Because it's just not as cool to get compared to the Jeff Hornaceks and Kiki Vandeweghes of the world.

    Barkley addressed the same issue once on TNT. He asked the exact same question: Why does every white guy (Laettner, Gugliotta, Van Horn, Dunleavy) get compared to Larry Bird? He said that the only thing Bird and Laettner had in comman was that they were both white. That's it.

    Love is nice prospect and I think he'll do well in the NBA. His shooting, rebounding, passing and court vision are all very good but nowhere near as good as Bird's.
    Yeah Love is not Bird for sure. If anyone wants to compare Love to any white guy I think a less athletic Nick Collison is the right comparrison.

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    He's definitely a star in college, yes. In the NBA, he's probably a 7th/8th man but he'll have a place in the league.
    I believe there is something more than that in his future. He has that special "something"
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    kevin love is a PF though, bird was a SF which probably explains why bird is better at those three. i'd say kevin love is more like mchale like Seth said
    McHale is a couple inches taller and a lot longer than Love. He's also one of the best low post players (offensively and defensively) to ever play the game. The guy redefined low post play in the NBA. Love isn't quite there.

    But the guy is definitely a throwback and there's now a pretty good chance he'll be gone when the Pacers pick.
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    I believe there is something more than that in his future. He has that special "something"
    you can't quite put your finger on.

    I think he is going to be like his dad a sharp shooter that comes off the bench. I like the guy but I don't see him being much more than a 3 point specialist.

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    I believe there is something more than that in his future. He has that special "something"
    you can't quite put your finger on.
    Well he needs to have something special that we can't see, because right now he's a 6'2"-6'3" SG who isn't particularly strong, fast or athletic by NBA standards. I just can't name anyone like that in the league who truly excelled in the NBA.

    Hersey Hawkins is one guy, but that dude was built like a tank compared to Curry, and he was more athletic coming out of college than Curry is now.

    Reggie was 6'6"-6'7". He could get his shot off over the top of most of his defenders rather easily. That was important. If you took away that attribute, Reggie wouldn't have been anywhere near the player he turned out to be.

    I don't mean to rain on the guy's parade, but I'd have to say the odds of him being more than a role player off the bench are stacked against him. Still, he's probably going to get drafted and he'll have a place in the league and that's a major accomplishment.

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    The same skin color...

    Why does every white guy get compared to Larry Bird?

    Larry was one of the 2 best guys in college ball when he came out. Love is nowhere near that.
    Hold on now. Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought Love was as good as LB. I was talking about his game, specifically as an underclassman. I'm Bird's age and saw him up close in college and I'm here to tell you that what I've seen of Love as a 19 year old reminds me an awful lot of LB's game. Remember, when LB was 19 he was getting his *** kicked trying to scrimmage with IU's team in his brief Bloomington stint. I fully recognize that there's no chance Love has the career that LB had, but his game looks very similar at this point. And knock off the good white player/must be Bird stuff. When I watch Love play it simply doesn't put me in the mind of a Dominique Wilkins, Harold Miner, Clyde Drexler, or a Darnell Hillman for that matter. And Love's uncle is a helluva lot better singer than Bird's uncle!

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    Steve Kerr would be one. Of course, he was kind of a quasi-situational
    guy. As with Kerr, Curry would need to be playing with the right guys
    to prosper at the NBA level. But when you can stroke it, you can
    stroke it.

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    Was half kidding on the Conley thing. Agree that MEM would likely
    either take Beasley if there or move down a bit and take Lopez.

    Relatedly, at this point, I'm concerned that with CHIC likely to be
    picking ahead of the Pacers and in need of a 'pure' PG (Hinrich may
    well be moved this Summer), they could snatch Augustine before he
    gets to us.

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    Hold on now. Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought Love was as good as LB. I was talking about his game, specifically as an underclassman. I'm Bird's age and saw him up close in college and I'm here to tell you that what I've seen of Love as a 19 year old reminds me an awful lot of LB's game. Remember, when LB was 19 he was getting his *** kicked trying to scrimmage with IU's team in his brief Bloomington stint. I fully recognize that there's no chance Love has the career that LB had, but his game looks very similar at this point. And knock off the good white player/must be Bird stuff. When I watch Love play it simply doesn't put me in the mind of a Dominique Wilkins, Harold Miner, Clyde Drexler, or a Darnell Hillman for that matter. And Love's uncle is a helluva lot better singer than Bird's uncle!
    ummhow exactly are love and bird's games similar??? would you then say bird and brad miller's games are similar? b/c at thispoint love is MUCH closer to a shorter version of miller than a larry bird. MUCH closer...

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    Relatedly, at this point, I'm concerned that with CHIC likely to be picking ahead of the Pacers and in need of a 'pure' PG (Hinrich may well be moved this Summer), they could snatch Augustine before he gets to us.
    I know that we need a PG....but if the Pacers don't make the Playoffs and we end up with a 9th to 11th pick....am I the only one that thinks that Augustine or Collison would be a little high to draft them?
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    Yeah Love doesn't remind me of Bird AT ALL.

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    Yeah Love doesn't remind me of Bird AT ALL.
    More like Bill Walton with his outlet passing.

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    Augustin's stat line against the Lopez brothers:

    23 points
    7 assists
    5 rebounds
    2 steals

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    Augustin is shooting up my list. Great play, and that article from ESPN was very flattering towards his character. At this point I'd take him over Gordon and I'd even consider taking him before Mayo. He may not be Chris Paul, but who is? What I've seen is that he's skilled enough to be a starter as a rookie, and he's young enough to still have untapped potential.
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    Agreed on Augustine. He's a very skilled, instinctive PG on the
    offensive end. He's not a great athlete. But he's very quick
    and changes direction with the ball on a string in tight spaces
    extremely well.

    The matchup with Memphis on Sunday should be fun to watch
    as they've the perimeter athletes to make things tough on him.

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    Augustine versus Rose. Matchup of the tourney so far.

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    D.J. Augustin is my number 1 choice for us now. That ESPN article on his character was something else.

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    If we could find some way to trade into another pick and grab Augustin and Thabeet, we may be able to establish our starting lineup of the future pretty quick, assuming williams could play the 4 (and that the picks pan out of course, especially thabeet).
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    If we could get Augustin and Thabeet in the first round, I would consider the draft a big success for us.

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    If we could get Augustin and Thabeet in the first round, I would consider the draft a big success for us.
    I would actually be excited about the future of the team.

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    We dont get many ncaa broadcasts here in europe, so im a bit lost when it comes to players from collage. I watched Xavier-West Virginia couple of nights ago, and I was really impressed with Josh Duncan. He is a strong pf who has a nice outside game, but also can overpower his defender. He is only 6-9 though which might come in the way of playing in the NBA. What is his value? Is he considered a 1st rond or 2nd round material? Is he declaring for the draft this year? Would pacers be interested in him?

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    We dont get many ncaa broadcasts here in europe, so im a bit lost when it comes to players from collage. I watched Xavier-West Virginia couple of nights ago, and I was really impressed with Josh Duncan. He is a strong pf who has a nice outside game, but also can overpower his defender. He is only 6-9 though which might come in the way of playing in the NBA. What is his value? Is he considered a 1st rond or 2nd round material? Is he declaring for the draft this year? Would pacers be interested in him?
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    I don't see the West comparison other than having similar body types. West always had that great mid-range jumper which makes him such a pain in the butt to guard. His offensive game was more refined than Duncan's IMO, but I do think Duncan is a little bit stronger than West was at the same point in their careers so it could happen.
    Duncan is a solid player and is probably worth a look in the second round. I definetely think he can find a place in the NBA, but I'm just not sure what type of a role he'd play yet. His matchup with Love should be interesting tonight.

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    I've mentioned this before....but I really think that IF Love is on the board when we draft.....I can totally see Bird picking him. I can't figure out how else to say it.....but he just seems like the type of player that Bird would draft....he has definite potential....he has shown that he can perform under pressure to help carry his team to the Elite 8....he has alot of talent....he has a high basketball IQ....and most of all, he's a safe PR pick that doesn't appear to have any on/off court issues.
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    Alright, who saw what happened to the UCLA offense once Collison fouled out tonight? I love the three-pass, no-dribble method to get the ball across halfcourt, but that was ... well, they should be glad WKU didn't know how to handle it. A more fundamental team would've made them bring it up every time and run the offense -- and the Bruins wouldn't have been able to do that very well without Collison.

    Moving on ...

    Honestly, if Bird picked a player like Thabeet over Love, it'd be like he turned on basketball. Love is everything you look for in a player except the physical attributes, and even those aren't that bad. I think we need a moratorium on stupid players -- no more Diogu, White, Tinsley, Harrison, etc., type players.

    Why do basically all of us like Dunleavy and Foster? Because they really know how to play the game. They have limitations, both in talent and body, but we want to keep them around because they're smart.

    I want more of those. Eventually, you'll get ones that are athletic, too.
    I totally disagree. Our team is overloaded with unathletic "fundamentals" type of guys. Why do you think our defense sucks? Its not an issue of effort. I think Love would be an aweful pick for us because for one thing, we already have an unathletic fundamentally sound power forward named Troy Murphy, and he has much better size than love anyway. Love is a rendundant pick and will not help us much at all IMO. and we know murphy is going to be around for awhile...

    Love is a qaulity role player on the next level, at best.

    We need a defensive presence in the paint. Also, calling Thabeet "stupid" is a gross oversimplification. He has not been playing organized basketball very long at all... he is a project. Sure, there is no gaurentee that he works out, but that goes for everyone. The guy is already a stellar shot blocker, and for such a raw prospect, he shoots 70% from the foul line... I think this is a good indication that he has a lot of potential to improve in all areas.
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